Materials to Use for Still Construction
- Both copper and stainless steel are safe to use. Stainless may be more durable. Copper helps remove sulfides from distillate product.
- Use lead & cadmium free solder or brazing.
- Column packing material can be stainless steel scrubbers, PURE copper scrubbers or mesh (be careful of copper plated iron), glass marbles, or commercial items like rashing rings.
- Some of the safest (and also very GOOD results) sealant material is simple flour paste. Certain types (rye flour), may work better than others
- With a few exceptions (such as small sight glasses), using glass in a still for home hobby spirit distillation, should be usually be avoided, due to safety issues.
- Glass for spirit collection/storage or aging containers, is safe, with the one caveat that a flammable liquid is being stored in a container that can be broken.
- When collecting into a glass container, place this glass container inside a larger container (such as a stock pot), that is larger than the collection container. If there is any breakage, the entire contents should be held by this secondary container.
- A glass thumper / slobber box is NOT safe.
- There are almost NO synthetic materials that can be shown to be safe to use in a home distillations device.
- PFTE has been shown to be inert and safe. It can be used for gasket material
- Silicone or plastic hoses may be adequate for coolant input and output lines, but SHOULD NOT come in contact with the vapor or product takeoff path.
To make a still yourself, take care to avoid using solder which contains lead or cadmium. Both of these are poisonous, and
are bad for you, or anyone who would consume your end product. Use silver solder instead. Use only food grade type
materials (eg stainless steel, copper, glass, etc).
Copper is an interesting case - high levels of it are known to be dubious to
your health, however it has been (and will continue to be) used for centuries
in commercial stills (because of its excellent ability to transfer heat).
This is because any dissolution is at such a low rate that you don't get exposed
to enough of it. It is well known that the low wines produced in commercial stills
can be a light green in colour due to their copper pick-up, however they are
still below limits prescribed for potable water by health authorities. It would
also appear that the copper helps convert some of the esters & organic acids present
(which affect taste and odour), so that they're reduced. Some people who have built
stills without copper have later added some back in (say using copper scrubbers for
column packing), to because their highly pure (93%+ purity) spirit still had a
smell present, which only went away when they put some copper in the vapour path.
For an excellent article on corrosion of metals, and the problems this causes when
building brewing equipment, see
Corrosion Problems in Brewing
by John Palmer
For suppliers of stainless steel (or brass) needle valves, search the following sites :
Also, eBay can be a good source to find stainless needle valves
What to Use for a Boiler ?
A stainless steel sankey keg, either 55L (1/2 barrel), or 27L (1/4 barrel) makes a wonderful
boiler. They are solid as a tank, and the open sankey valve can be directly fitted to a flange, and a
2" copper pipe. When acquiring used kegs, please try to obtain one by legal means. Failing to
return a used keg for the liquor store deposit, is frequently done, however, it is not a legal way
to obtain a keg. The keg is still legally owned by the brewery
Here is a message from member 'Kegs
' on the HD forums:
I just came across this tread and thought I would chime in on the "Procurement" of kegs.
Generally speaking, most of the the kegs that are being spoken about here are probably
being bought illegally, either unknowingly or knowingly. Kegs that are obtained from
sources other than legitimate sales from Keg manufacturers or bought directly from the
brewery whose name is on the kegs, usually (99% of the time) would be considered stolen
property by their rightful owner.
New 15.5 Gal kegs from manufacturers today run $130-150 (US). Keg conversion/theft is
a huge problem today for brewers all over the world. In most states in the US there
are laws that the monster brewers (AB-Inbev & Miller Coors) helped create to try to
protect their assets. As more and more small craft brewers establish themselves in
the market, more of the kegs being discussed here are from very small businesses who
are just starting up and can ill afford to lose kegs.
If you look at this single thread alone there are about 11 kegs being discussed here.
That is over $1,540 (US) of cost of kegs to replace for the owners. I would encourage
you to purchase kegs from manufacturers or legitimate sales outlets for kegs and not
knowing be a part of a huge problem.
Here are a few places to legitimately buy kegs:
the Vintner Vault http://thevintnervault.com/product/3381/Used-Kegs.html
Franke Bev Systems http://www.franke.com/beveragesystems/de/en/home/products/beverage_containers.html
Sabco http://www.brew-magic.com/ or http://www.kegs.com
I write this as an owner of a small company that rents beer kegs to micro-brewers and also
suffers through loss through theft of kegs. So, I would encourage you to do the right thing
going forward now that you have more information on the subject. If you were in the keg
owners shoes I am pretty sure you would share our opinion.
Thanks for reading an having an open mind.
KegCraft Keg Management Services
If you need instructions for how to remove sankey ball valves from kegs, see:
specializes in steel drums (including salvage
drums and barrels) which may be suitable for distillers.
What Materials are Suitable ?
NOTE, usability of these materials cannot be SOLELY based upon a listing of
'resistant' to corrosion of alcohols.
This information is simply being provided AS a 'base' set of textbook information. It is NOT a recommendation of proper materials.
Coulson, Richardson & Sinnott (Chemical Engineering) report that:
- aluminium, aluminium bronze, brass, copper, gunmetal and bronze,
high Si iron, nickel, nickle-copper alloys, platinum, silver,
stainless steel (18/8, molybdenum & austenitic ferric), titanium,
tantalum, and zirconium
- nylon 66 fiber/plastics, PCTFE, PTFE, polypropylene (PP), and furane resin
- hard rubber, neoprene, nitrile rubber, chlorosulphinated polyethylene, and silicone rubbers
- concrete, glass, graphite, porcelain and stoneware, and vitreous enamel
resistant to alcohols, beer & water up to 100C.
- lead, mild steel (BSS 15), cast iron, and tin
- rigid unplasticised PVC, plasticised PVC (eg ANY PVC), polyethylene (low & high density, eg: LDPE / HDPE)
- acrylic sheet (eg perspex), acrylonitrile butadiene styrene resins,
polystyrene, melamine resins, epoxy resin, phenol formaldehyde resins, polyester resins
- butyl rubber & halo-butyl rubber, ethylene propylene rubber, soft natural rubber,
and polyethylene rubber
corrosion resistant to alochols.
A good rule of thumb when being a safe distiller, is:
NO plastics (or other synthetics) should have ANY contact with high proof ethanol or or ethanol vapor
Plastic is basically fine at the low alcohol end (eg the wash), but should be avoided
where it will encounter strong alcohol (such as anywhere within the still's vapor path, or to store high proof ethanol product).
For alternatives, consider using copper tubing from the condensor to the collection jar, and using glass
collection & storage jars.
Keith writes ...
Galvanised metals should not be used in a distillation environment.
If galvanised metals are in or downstream of the condenser, then the resultant product
will be tainted with lead and or zinc, and should NOT be consumed.
If the galvanized material is used as a flange, or as the boiler, it will not impact the
safety of the end product, BUT this material will quickly corrode, and become worthless
as a distillation device.
Solder & Brazing
(A compilation of newsgroup emails by Robert Warren,
Pete Sayers, David Reid, James Witten, Howard Anders, Allan Goldsmith
& Scott (the yldog) - thanks guys !)
Is solder safe to use ?
Tin and silver solder is perfectly safe, and in fact is commonly
used for soldering copper and/or stainless steel for food use.
The main "ingredients" in solder we need to avoid are cadmium and/or
lead. BTW tin is the material used to coat the inside of "tin cans"
in making of canned foods - ie its very safe to use (Actually steel cans of course, which are
plated with tin to make them corrosion proof.)
Most states in the US outlawed lead solder back in the mid 70's.
There are a couple types of solder currently sold on the market:
- Silver solder, is mostly tin and a small
amount of silver. It does take a bit higher temperature to get it to
flow, but has excellent adhering properties. In fact, if you want to
solder something which will never come apart, unless you use an even
hotter torch than what you soldered with in the first place, then
silver solder it. You may want to use Mapp gas instead of propane
to get the higher flame temperature (around 650 F / 345 C ?).
Regular silver solder may have some cadmium in it; Check that you
are infact using cadmium free silver solder (for use on food related equipment (stills)).
- The other main type of solder is simply called 95/5,
which is 95 % tin and 5% zinc. It flows easily at a lower temp,
(around 500 F / 260 C ?) and will just run off instead of sticking if you get
the joint too hot. You want to work this solder at close to the
melting point. This is what most plumbers have used on domestic
waterlines arouund the world for the past 25 years, and it is
completely safe, as is the silver solder. Plumbers use 95/5 because
it is about 25% cheaper than silver solder.
Now, given the fact that alcohol is a known solvent, and the
other salient fact that you have hot alcohol vapors inside a still,
it is reasonable to wonder about the how much tin and such may
dissolve. Well, the tin is pretty good at sticking to the copper
and also to the adjoining tin molecules, and it really is not very
soluable at all. Some geographical areas have well water which is
highly aggressive, perhaps a stronger solvent than alcohol. Such
water will dissolve out the zinc in galvanized pipes and then
continue to react with the iron underneath and you end up with holes
in your pipes.The zinc on alvanized pipes and inside water heaters
is considered a sacrificial metal. However, the zinc in 95/5 is bound
to the tin and is an alloy, so it has completely different properties
than the zinc coating on steel pipes. Anyway, the long and short of
it is that zinc, tin, and copper are found in tiny trace amounts in
our bodies along with gold and silver.
intro on howto solder
From HD forums, here is a good intro howto on soldering:
I've seen from reading the forum, that on and off people tend to have a degree of difficulty when soldering for the first time or even just soldering in general. For those that fit into this category (and don't want, or like to admit it). If you follow this guide you will/should achieve a reasonable successful job I'm an ex-plumber and soldering is no big secret as long as you follow and understand certain basic facts, methods and rules used to solder successfully.
For those who already know how to solder skip this posting. This is really for those who feel intimidated by the art of soldering. It really is easy. I've only got the use of one hand and I can still solder OK. I just a have a lot of preparation to do these days when I solder.
There are 4 areas we need to look at, they are:-
(1) The metal
(2) The solder
(3) The heat source
(4) The flux<
Let's take each one separately and get to know how each one will affect us in soldering.
1. The metal i.e. copper. Copper like any metal will corrode in its own certain way when exposed to the
atmosphere. (Iron or steel being ferrous will rust and turn red. Aluminium will turn powdery white and
crumple) copper if left to its on devices, on a roof covered in copper will turn a beautiful bright, light,
almost florescent green and stop at that coating. And in order to solder copper, this corrosion must be
removed back to the base copper metal. (Remember to always keep your work fluxed, clean and shining that's
the big soldering secret). Thankfully, the copper pipe we get from the stores has only the initial stages
of surface corrosion started and this can easily be removed with wire wool or emery cloth, but I find
coarse wire wool is best to use. Clean the copper and all surfaces to be soldered, until they shine
brightly and set them aside and don't touch them with moist sweaty hands. As the salt/grease in the
sweat will turn to carbon when heat is applied, not good for soldering (solder won't stick to carbon)
2. Solder. Use new relatively clean bright looking lead free solder. LEAD FREE is most IMPORTANT for
the purpose we intend to use it for
3. Heat source. As a heat source you really need a butane or propane torch/burner with at least a ½"
nozzle. (I think even that is very under powered)
4. Flux. A general all round soldering flux is as good as any these days, they should all work well.
The flux is pretty inert when you apply it at room temperature, but when heat is applied the flux
will become very corrosive and will bite into and really clean the surface of the copper, especially
when it has reached 100 °C plus, and the flux will make the solder really flow onto the
copper surface and join where the flux has cleaned it. The flux can be easily burnt, by the torch
flame, and turn to carbon which is not good for us. (more about this later)
1. Copper fitting usually comes in 2 types, end feed or solder ring. End feed by its very name means you feed
the solder in via the end of the fitting and pipe join line. All new solder integral solder ring fittings
have an integral ring of lead free solder inside and this will flow in a perfect ring around the join when
they are cleaned fluxed and heat is applied. They cost more but if you are unsure about your joints, this
is a good way to go to get good joins. I shall deal with end feed fittings for this topic.
2. Next cut, "dry fit" and check and clean all your pipes and fittings that you intend to solder
3. Flux them all up and smearing enough flux inside the female fitting and on the part of the pipe that
will be going inside the fitting, (apply the same amount of flux to the copper parts as you would antiseptic
cream to a cut finger) I personally apply a lot more. But that's just my preference
4. Unroll a length of solder. A general guide as to how much each join takes is on (a 2" pipe). If you bend
or kink the solder about 2 ½" from the end and when that has feed into the join that should be plenty in
there. (Slightly more than the pipe diameter whatever join you are making. The same rule applies whether its
¼" or 6" it's a good general guide)
5. Now assemble and set your pipe and fittings, light the torch/burner, and with your stick of solder at
the ready. (For a 2" column pipe) Apply heat first to the pipe about 3 "away from the join on the top,
the sides and the underneath as equally as you can until you see the flux sizzling at the join at least.
6. Then do the same on the fitting but not as long on the fitting. And certainly not on the join line if
you can help it. (because that will burn the flux)
7. If you get too close to the join the flux will burn go brown and then black and carbonize. (burnt carbonized
flux will ruin a good join) The trick is to be patient and let the heat move along to the join from about the
3" away from the join and then let this heat move into the fitting and out to your solder stick. So be
careful and watch out for this, because solder won't stick to carbonized flux on the pipe or join. If
this happens to me. (Which it sometimes still does) I have a long stiff hog hair artist brush dipped in
flux and I swish this over the join and it cleans the old carbon off and leaves it nice and bright again
for the solder.
8. Things are now happening fast. Direct the heat away from the pipe and fitting. Now with your solder
stick touch it to the top of the join line. Be patient and wait, let the heat get through into the solder.
It should soften and squelch onto the join. Now take the solder away and apply more heat in the same
sequence as before. The solder you applied will likely get sucked into the fitting. But don't panic,
continue your heating.
9. Now apply more solder and wait again, it will suddenly soften and run straight into the join. Now
apply more heat to the fitting this will draw all the solder to the kink mark on your solder stick into
the join. Solder will run and get drawn up into and evenly between the two copper surfaces. Just the same
way sap on a tree will get drawn up between the bark and the wood evenly. This is called capillary action.
10. If there is any obvious gaps, heat and feed more solder in and just flash the heat across it just
enough until it smoothes nicely between pipe and fitting. (Don't get hypnotized by the flame and have
it pointing at the flux and end up burning it because it is so very easy to do) Back off with the heat
and solder stick, and again be patient and let it cool enough for the solder to set (because the join
and fitting can and will move if you are not careful) and that's a big no-no if a 2" elbow ends up
pointing the wrong way and ends up setting that way
11. While it is still slightly over hand hot but with the solder hardened use an old rag, wipe and
clean off the old burnt flux, it will come off real easy when its hot like this<
The master plumber who taught me said when soldering copper always think ahead and always follow the
7 "P's" Principle. Which is:
Hope this hasn't been too boring guys but some people just don't know how to solder properly, and this is for them and :- (Remember to always keep your work fluxed, clean and shining that's the big soldering secret)
(2) preparation and
(5) pi** or pathetically
An extra bit.
The solder sometimes runs all the way around and forms almost a droplet at the bottom of the joint. That's OK as it's just the excess solder trying to run out of the joint at it's lowest point.
To learn more about how to braize, see
Brazing definitely makes a vastly superior job to soldering and
is also more permanent too.In short there are a number of materials;
- Silbraloy (sometimes mistakenly called
Silvaloy) at the bottom of the range starting with 2% silver,
- Silphos with 5% and 15% forms and one or
two other proprietary materials, and
- Easyflows which have silver contents
from 30 to 56%.
The Silbraloy and Silphos forms are generally a
mixture of silver and phosphorous copper whereas the Easyflows also
contain other specialized minerals to achieve certain other goals eg.
nickel is used for hardness.
Silfos is an exellent product to use. It takes a much hotter
flame, so you may need to use Mapp gas or even acetylene (it melts
at around 800 °F / 425 °C ?). Quite high, compared to solder. It is a phosporous
bearing product. It is unique in that you don't even have to flux
the joint, but it should be thoroghly clean,as with all soldering.
It is very strong, and the other feature is that it is strong enough
to use to repair a hole in apressurized water pipe (you can't solder
with water in the pipe) but it can be worked like a brazing rod and
so you can fill holes with it.
Prices start at around NZ$30 kg and go up
to NZ$400 kg for the more specialized materials. The more silver and
other additives the higher the price.
Also in short you get what you pay
for and the skills and experience of the welder then become important.
If you have a good welder he could probably use Silphos 5% but I would
probably use 15% ( Good capillary flow for tight up joints. High stress
resistance) if you want a good neat job and you dont mind spending a
little more. Either Silphos 15% or a bottom end Easyflow (such as 30%
but a bit dearer again. Good gap filling and build up. Good flow
characteristics) are probably the best for this job and the little bit
more you pay for the material are generally compensated for in the
welding time saved. Personally I wouldnt pay more than $80 kg. Consult
with your welder as he is the guy with the experience and as long as he
is honest and has the skills you should be pleased with the result. If
he is an older plumber who did his time using copper plumbing pipe you
should have no problems.
John writes ...
..Soldering this heavy copper was tricky as the standard small
hand-held propane tanks do not provide enough heat. So I bought a canister
of MAP-gas. At first it would not work, but a phone call to a plumbing
contractor gave me the following:
1. scour the to be soldered surfaces with sand-paper. Any kind will do.
But get them clean.
2. use FRESH solder paste. This is an acid paste that melts as the heat
is applied, and further cleans the surfaces. Use the paste liberally! I
found that I had to restrict the paste to the very areas I wanted to
solder, as that is where the solder flows.
3. Use lots lots of heat.
Is Aluminium Safe to Use ?
Heres what the
rec.crafts.brewing Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) (version 2.12) has on the subject.
There has been a good deal of "discussion" as to whether or not the
use of aluminum in brewing contributes to Alzheimer's disease. Thanks
to Oliver Weatherbee for providing to following:
Aluminum has NOT been linked to Alzheimer's disease. The following is
taken from "Frequently Asked Questions About Neurological Problems" at
The Department of Neurological Surgery of The Cleveland Clinic
"There is little support for the theory that aluminum causes
Alzheimer's disease, the most common cause of dementia in the United
States. The exact cause of this disease is unknown, although the risk
of Alzheimer's is higher when there is a family history of this
[two paragraphs removed]
Workers exposed to high levels of aluminum in industrial environments
have no increased incidence of Alzheimer's disease. Furthermore,
careful studies to date have not shown an increased aluminum
concentration in the brains of Alzheimer's disease patients.
Since there is no convincing evidence linking aluminum toxicity with
Alzheimer's disease, you need not worry about exposure to aluminum in
Furthermore, Brewing Techniques (Jan/Feb '95) had an article on a
parallel brew experiment using an aluminum brewpot and a stainless.
Laboratory analysis showed that there was no significant difference in
trace aluminum levels between batches. They also pointed out that most
of the Al you digest is from your food and water. And for that matter,
many medical people consider copper a bigger health risk.
As for off flavors, IF this happens (hearsay IMO), it is probably the
result of the brewer scrubbing the oxidation layer of the pot during
cleaning. Don't scrub, use a soft cloth or sponge and non-abrasive
cleaner. This is one of the reasons Al is not used much commercially,
its not caustic cleaner friendly.
About the biggest concern is using aluminium to stew up highly acidic
foods (eg tomatoes), where a very long time comes in to play. For more details
Dr. M. Legendre summarises ...
Al has two primary disadvantages:
and several advantages: It is cheap & light, easily cut, machined, drilled etc.
- Acidic wash will cause pitting over time, which destroys the vessel.
This can probably be mitigated by neutralizing the pH of the wash prior to
distillation with some calcium carbonate or similar.
- Al cannot be effectively soldered or brazed - and soldering is a
primary method of joining still parts for the home handyman.
Ted advises ..
Do not use sodium hydroxide (NaOH) - lye - for cleaning with aluminum!!! the reaction will
produce hydrogen gas and eat the aluminum. Treat aluminum like you would
Is Copper Safe to Use ?
Copper has been used for centuries in still design, despite its slight solubility. This is primarily due to its excellent heat transfer properties, making it excellent at cooling the vapours. Although some copper will leach into the distillate (low wines are sometimes a light green in colour), it is usually well below health limits for potable drinking water.
If you haven't fully rinsed
off acids used during cleaning, then it can react to form copper acetate (verdigris).
This stuff is toxic, with an LD50 (Ingestion) of 196 mg/kg (mouse). This is a small number -
it means that a 90kg person would need to consume 17.6
grams of it (half a scrubber by weight ?).
This stuff is slightly different from the "green rust" you see on copper
if it isn't dried fully each time after use. However, all copper salts are
toxic if consumed in chronic volumes.
2-5 mg / day is essential for good health, however levels above this will be
dangerous. 10-20 g is considered fatal.
Your body will slowly flush itself of copper, but
approx 30% of copper salts ingested will stay in the body.
The half life is 13-33 days with 70-150 days to completely clear any
one incidence of ingestion. In simpler terms, we're not at risk in using copper for the fittings in the still, as the rate at which we're oxidising the copper is a lot slower than rate our body can handle it. In addition, given that the reacted copper is water soluble, a
decent rinsing after each cleaning & use of the still should take care of removing it. The greater likely risk is from inhaling the dust when cleaning dry copper. Make sure that you do your cleaning in a well ventilated room, and possibly use a mask if you're putting dust into the air.
It would be rare to find a commercial distillery that didn't use copper.
Several sites actually recommend some benefits from using copper, as it is
said to remove sulphur & form more esters (flavour)
Helge Schmickl of http://www.schnaps.co.at/
According to relevant literature, copper should theoretically reduce the amount of
esters/organic acids because of its catalytic impact. Basic rules of
organic chemistry point to the same outcome. But we didn't notice any
difference in taste/smell when distilling simultaneously with two
equipments, one was completely made of glass, the other one of copper.
The fermentation has a much greater effect on the result. Esters and
especially organic acids arise from misfermentations of leafs/twigs or
rotten parts of fruit. Work as clean as possible during the whole
fermentation process and use cultivated yeast. Then you shouldn't have
any problems with esters/organic acids.
Try this: Fill a copper-tube (length appr. 30-50cm) with copper wool.
Put this tube between the distilling pot and the cooler (condenser)- you SHOULD notice a difference.
The following comments are from the Macallan Distillery
The size and shape of the stills are crucially important. The more contact
the wash and low wines have with copper the better, since it acts as a catalyst,
removing sulphury impurities (in the wash still) and promoting the creation of
esters (in the spirit still) - effectively cleaning and lightening the spirit.
Small stills with a broad 'head' (the middle part of the still), such as those
at Macallan, are best of all: a narrow head tends to increase the velocity of the
ascending vapours and to reduce their contact with the copper walls.
Finally, while we are on the question of still design, there is the
important matter of the length and angle of the 'lyne arm' - the pipe which connects
the top of the still, known as the 'swan neck' to the condenser. Macallan's lyne arms
are of average length, but they are acutely angled in a downwards direction. This
means that once vapours reach the neck of the still they are more likely to go
over and be condensed than to fall back as reflux and be re-distilled. Again, the
Macallan is unusual in this: most distillers set out to increase reflux. But then, they
may well not achieve such copper contact (with its spirit-enhancing properties)
as do Macallan's small stills.
Hector adds ..
I wonder why this German manufacturers swear so much on copper for their material of choice for still making. In a material they sent me says verbatim: "Pot stills are traditionally made of copper for numerous practical purposes: copper adsorbs volatile sulfur containing
compounds which are produced during fermentation and the presence of which is undesirable in the distilled spirit; copper is an excellent heat conductor that helps prevent burning of the mash; copper prevents the production of ethylcarbamat which is a toxic substance formed from cyanides (cyanides are found in high concentrations in pitted fruits); copper also improves the quality of the final product, if the quality of the mash is not microbiologically perfect; and, copper —and some distillers might even argue a particular shape of the copper— improves the aroma of the final product."
Sunshine Mike writes ...
I am a little puzzled by the absence of copper in a lot of
your boilers. It took me several months of searching at various libraries to
discover why boilers should be made from copper. I accept that, prior to the
advent of stainless steel, copper was the logical choice due to its
malleability and conductivity . However, large commercial stills are still
made from copper and not, to my knowledge, from SS....why? My research
turned up the following and I was wondering if those amongst you with a bent
for organic chemistry would care to comment. During the heating of the wash
fatty acids are produced. These give rise to off-tastes and they are
apparently not too good for you as well. However, if they are formed in a
boiler made from copper they bond with the copper in some way and do not go
through with the distillate. If you use SS they pass through with the
distillate. This does not mean that SS is not to be used. All one has to do
is to add a couple of handfulls of small copper pieces to the SS boiler.
I found the following which adds to the copper knowledge base ...
Pot stills are traditionally constructed of copper. The reason for this adherence to copper has
numerous practical purposes:
- copper adsorbs volatile sulfur-containing compounds which
are produced during fermentation and the presence of which is undesirable in
the distilled spirit;
- copper is a very good heat conductor that helps prevent burning of the mash;
- copper avoids the production of ethylcarbamat which is a toxic substance formed
from cyanides (cyanides are found in high concentrations in stone-fruits);
- copper also improves the quality of the final product if the quality of the mash is not microbiologically perfect; and,
- copper improves the aroma of the final product.
Lars replies ...
What copper does is that it catalyses the breakdown of esters and
sulfuric compounds. I did not know about the catalysis of fatty acid breakdown, put it is
possible that it does that as well.
Exactly as you say you only need to have a small amount of copper
present somewhere in your still to get this effect. I use a copper
I don't believe that the copper actually forms a bond with the fatty
acids. It is probably a catalysis we are talking about.
And the end products probably go through to the distillate to some
amount, but not in their original foul-tasting form.
Mecakyrios added ..
have found in my years of distilling, that when the vapor comes in contact
with copper it imparts a flavor to the final product. I have also found
that, while it does offer a bit of difference, copper in contact with the
wash does not have as much of an effect.
Therefore, due to my experiments and years of working knowledge, I have come
to the conclusion that in order to gain the desirable flavoring that copper
adds, it is beneficial to have copper in the area that the most vapor will
be in contact with it.
Jack confirms this ...
I just got a 5litre "export still" - the small potstill on your picture
pages. For the record- "out of the box" it can get you 55%abv with a
starting 15% mash. With half of a copper scouring pad pushed up into the
lyne arm- it increases to 65%abv+. The lack of copper gave the first trial
batches a sulfur odor, but this went away after two days in corked bottles.
The copper scouring pad, and a length of copper tubing force-fitted into the
lyne arm took care of that, though. This indicates my previous experiments
were flawed. My fermentations take place at low temperatures, as a result, I
get very little sulfur production. The "quick batches" I made to try this
thing out quickly had enough to carry over into the spirit, a copper plate
on the bottom of the still body did nothing to help- the copper placed in the
vapor path made all the difference in the world. I guess that is where the
copper is most usefull, as far as flavor goes.
Just a word of warning though - if you're going to use copper scouring
pads as your source of copper, make sure that they actually are 100% copper.
Dr. M. Legendre cautions ...
Don't ever make the mistake of buying these .. they are
clearly labeled 'Copper Scourers' but 'Copper Washed Mild Steel Scourers'
is more accurate.
I ran these in my reflux column - 2 runs. After the second run, I left the
still set for a day (my bad) and when I went to break it down, all of the
'Copper' scourers had turned to heaps of black (ferric) oxide. The ones
nearest the bottom had the consistency of freeze-dried plant material,
whereas the ones nearest the top still had a slight bit of structural
integrity - but were still mostly black.
I should have tested them first, they stick firmly to a magnet..! If these
things are actually plated, they may have had a layer of zinc deposited
atop the steel before the copper. Nasty, nasty, poorly labeled junk
The article is by Lew Bryson and it appears in the Volume 13, number
3 edition of Malt Advocate. The title of the article is Gleaming
Guardian: Copper Stills aren't just a pretty face. Mr. Bryson
interviewed several people for this article. Among them were Dr.
Bill Lumsden from Glenmorangie, Chris Morris and Lincoln Henderson
from Brown and Foreman, Barry Walsh from Irish Distillers, and Jim
Murray author of Jim Murray's Whiskey Bible. All these guys must
know what they are talking about since it is a fundemental part of
Anyway, to preface the article and to acknowlege some of the
speculation regarding my last post, the culprit of the corrosion and
subsequent destruction of copper stills is sulfur. According to the
article the sulfur comes from the grain itself, but it can also come
from bacterial infection of the must prior to distillation.
As the must is distilled the sulphur compounds wind up in the
spirit. The copper in the still causes the sulfur to combine with
the copper and form copper sulfate. Aside from the copper sulfate
there are other oils and fats from the grains and these combine with
the copper sulfate as well to form a black compound. According to
Lincoln Henderson, this black compound forms on the spout of the
spirit safe and he reports at the Woodford Reserve Distillery it is
quite heavy. The reason why Woodford Reserve has such a thick, heavy
greasy black deposit is because they distill bourbon and not
whiskey. As you know Bourbon has substantial amounts of corn, and
with corn comes corn oil. Chris Morris refers to it as Grunge and it
smells heavily of copper. It is also difficult to remove from your
skin. According to Chris Morris the grunge starts at the top of the
gooseneck, the lyne arm and all the way through the condensation
structure. The tail end of the Grunge eventually comes to the
spirits safe. Barry Walsh notes that this effect works the other way
in copper mining, in this case fats and oils are introduced into a
solution heavy in copper to extract the copper from the base solution.
According to Morris the Grunge is actually a polymer called ethyl
carbonate and according to him when distillers refer to EC levels in
their process it is ethyl carbonate that they are discussing, the
copper essentually cleans this out of the spirit.
Morris reports that to clean the grunge out they run a caustic wash
through the still, what results is a waste water product that is high
in zinc and copper, which cannot be processed by their local
wastewater utility. Morris reports that this caustic wash is mixedw
with spent mash and sold to farmers, where the addition of zinc and
copper is a benefit to dairy cattle.
Bill Lumsden states that the best place to utilize copper is where it
is where the hot vapors are condensing. He makes reference to shell
and tube condensors which consist of a copper column with 250 narrow
copper tubes inside. There is much more copper surface area in a
shell and tube condensor versus a worm type condensor. In his
experience he states that a spirit distilled using a worm type
condensor is much more meaty and sulfury in character than that using
a shell and tube condensor.
Column Stills are discussed in the article. Post repeal when the
distillery business was starting over from scratch a lot of
distilleries started to utilize stainless steel stills. When this
occured they noticed the immediately the difference between copper
and stainless steel stills. According to the article Seagrams did
extensive research to figure out what was going on. Essentially,
Morris states that at Jack Daniels 100% copper column stills are
used, while at Old Forrester a hybrid stainless and copper still is
used. In the hybrid still all the internal infrastructure of the
still is copper. Mr. Henderson also interjects that they also throw
a lot of copper pieces into the top of the still, basically just a
bunch of short sections of copper tubing, which lasts until it
essentually disintegrates. The scrap tubing that they put into the
still at Brown and Foreman last about 3 years and when it is
eventully removed it is very brittle, about the thickness of paper
and will crumble in your hands.
Mr. Lumsden states that the life of a still varies according to the
distillation schedule, basically saying the more you distill the more
copper dissolves. From his experience he states a 10 year lifespan
for the neck and lyne arm, For the spirits still, the main body goes
first and that is usually in 8 to 10 years.
The article closes with a few observations. In one, Mr. Lumsden
states that the still gives itself up to the whiskey. Mr. Murray puts
it more plainly and states that copper is self sacrificial and that
every time a copper still boils away it is giving part of its life to
the whiskey. Barry Walsh had the most important comment to make, he
states that modern distillers could get away with a small presence of
copper in their stills, but there is a thing of beauty associated
with large polished copper pot stills.
My observations from the article are as follows.
First these are huge stills with very thick sections of metal. The
corrosion that they are experiencing is pretty dramatic considering
the volume of product they put out and the size of the still. I
can't imagine the capital cost involve in replacing a commercial
sized still every 10 years or so.
Second, copper is only important in those areas of the still that are
exposed to vapor, that way the copper can do it's thing and the end
product will still be as good or close to what is produced in a all
copper pot still.
For a small 'hobbyist still' and the amount of mash distilled per
year, the whole problem with corrosion is insignificant. I do expect
that those who use copper in the column packing will probably have to
replace their packing every few runs or so.
My opinion would be to use a stainless
steel tank and attach a copper still head to that, you'd be way ahead
Ted advises ..
If you used bleach or any other high pH cleaner, the inside of the copper
tubing will corrode and give off dark colors. If you weren't using corroding
cleaners then you're not as clean as you think you are. The best cleaner for
copper tubing is mild acid like phosphoric or nitric acid. Run a gallon of
5% acid though it about 10 times and rinse with 2 gallons water.
If your still is made of copper NEVER clean it with bleach!
In fact, it doesn't matter what your still is made of, DON'T USE BLEACH! it
corrodes just about every metal out there. I seem to say this over and over
but no one listens!!!
Bleach is great for sanitizing glass, plastic and wood fermenters and is the
only place that you should use it.
David agrees ...
Use Hydrogen Peroxide instead in most
applications. This tends to sterilize rather than just sanitise and it
also just breaks down to water and oxygen unlike bleach which kills fish
and plant life including algae and which end up polluting waterways and
the enviroment generally. The chlorides in bleach also attack and destoy
metals including ss. This is a point that has irked me for years and one
in which the so-called more advanced civilized societies and man in
general are so backward and dumb. The only place I tend to use bleach is
a few drops in fermentation locks so algae and bacteria dont grow and a
little in the bucket of washing liquid when I mop the floors.
Jack offers ..
I just found the perfect cleaning agent for copper. Since I can't get nitric
acid, I decided to use whatever acid I had on hand: VINEGAR! I took a copper
elbow that was brown, streaked, and corroded and totally covered it with
vinegar. In about 20 minutes it was bright and shining. No scrubbing or
anything, just a soak, then a water rinse- spotless copper. Try it, it's
Winding Copper Coils
Sometimes its hard to make a tight coil without crimping the tubing. Nic writes ...
The hardness of copper tubing is determined entirely by the amount of work
hardening that it has been subjected to after it was last annealed.
So to make winding a tight coil as easy as possible you want to anneal your
tubing before you start AND reanneal it whenever you have work hardened it
(by bending it etc.) to the point that it becomes unworkably stiff.
To anneal copper just heat to bright red, hold for about two minutes and
cool. The cooling rate is not critical since copper is not heat treatable.
This will make your tubing dead soft.
The annealing process will leave a black and/or red copper oxide on surface
of the copper. To remove this either scrub it off or soak in warm 20%
sulfuric acid until the oxides are removed and polish if desired. Be
careful and observe proper safety precautions.
You should be able to get 20% sulfuric cheaply as "battery acid" from any
Mike explains about how to bend a coil ...
1/4" tubing, if softened first by annealing ... heat until copper starts to change color and then leave to cool (or quench quickly in water ... it makes no difference with copper) should require no filler to bend without kinking. Just wind slowly around a dowel or other former, pulling hard on the free tubing as you do so.
If you must use salt to pack a tube, use very fine table salt. If the grains are still too big, you can easily grind it finer with a pestle and mortar ... or even a rolling pin on a hard flat surface. It powders very easily. Taping a cone of paper around one end of the tubing makes a nice funnel that doesn't take up space inside the tubing. Tap the tube often, as advised by 'trailsendag'. Make sure the salt is very dry before you start pouring by leaving it on a tray in a warm oven for half an hour. Even iodised salt soaks up some water from the air and will not pour as easily as bone dry salt.
1. Buy tubing with wall thickess of 0.030. This is refrigeration tubing and comes in 50' coils. It's *maybe* five thousandths thicker than standard kind from the hardware or Home Depot/Lowe's type chains (but same price!!!). I'm not even sure it's any thicker, but I know it works perfectly.
2. Get a mandrel for appropriate size at least a foot long (18" is better).
3. Allow at least 2 feet to overlap the mandrel toward your lap, with the remainder out in front in the floor. Keep the tubing 90 degrees to the mandrel.
4. Now with the 2 foot section in your right hand (let it extend up under armpit if necessary), and the remaining length in the left, pull with each hand in opposing directions as hard as you can (use Zen; become 'one' with it ha ha) while only trying to bend the pipe about an 1/8 to 1/4 turn at most around the mandrel (downward toward the floor). Do NOT go any further.
5. Now examine the tubing; it should be only slightly flattened where you first contacted the pipe. Repeat step 4, pulling with all your might while adding another quarter turn.
6. Now that you're nearly half way around, turn the rig over so that the short end is sticking up in the air. Continue by holding the longer length with left hand still...and pull upward as hard as you possibly can while bending to about 3/4 way around. Repeat and finish one turn
7. Now here is the trick. You got it around and it isn't kinked and it's tight to the mandrel; now keeping constant tension on the whole works, use the *short end* to make 3-4 turns around the mandrel (leave as much as you want for water connections). Why is it the trick? Well 'cause you've turned the first few turns with the short, manageable end - and now you can grasp it for the remainder!
8. To finish means we *switch techniques*: Now stand up...and take the coil in left hand and put a tight grasp on the coil with locked thumb and fingers - and - bearing down on top of your left knee - keeping constant hard tension on the remaining tubing, *turn your
wrists* outward to roll the tubing onto the mandrel. DON'T try to just wrap the tubing around like a sissy or it will not fit tight to mandrel and possibly kink. You can switch hands/legs to get a rest.
Roll down, then back up the same way and you'll have a perfect double-helix coil without salt or anything.
Figure 10' of tubing for a 4.5"-5" long double-helix for 1.5"
column , and 20' for a 6 incher for a 2" column.
It's hard work for any method, so just roll a few turns and rest often. Don't rush it, as was advised earlier.
Remember, there are 3 tricks: Start with at least 2 foot and wrap first 4 or so turns with *short end*; constant, hard, tension during entire process; change techniques wrapping the last part by rolling wrists.
Gaskets & Seals
Tarvus gets back to basics ..
A bit of white bread and water kneaded into a dough like paste works
as a good temporary seal. Use it like a putty. It will dry but
retain an airtight seal.
AuntyEthyl agrees ...
Had the pleasure of testing my latest V3 on a water only run yesterday. Had a couple of minor leaks on the
column, due to its design (pull apart column) , but enough of a leak to be concerned.
Enter flour and water... made a 'dough' mixture and smeared it into the gaps. Start still running, by the
time the still hit operating temps... the dough had set.. and no leaks. :)
Jan Willem writes :
I made a still with a soup pan and a doughbowl, the seals I tried
- rubber gasket - too stiff and smelly
- silicone rubber tubing sliced open - well ok sort off, not perfect
- silicone gasket or as the packing say's Form-A-Gasket no.6
I aplied it as a thin stripe and let it dry.
Now i placed the dough bowl on it and fastened it (check my
I don't know exactly how to describe my contraption)
Its been opened and closed now for about 15 times and still ok.
And when its damaged easy repair or exchange with a new layer.
Oh the manufacterer is Loctite and its called Blue Silicone RTV
Catalog number 18869 and is also sold in europe
Gateswood Quarterhorses confirms this as suitable;
High-temp RTV is stable to 650° F. (intermittent) and resistant to most shop
fluids. I assume this could include alcohol. It is also pressure resistant. Not
recommended for contact with gasoline but I've had no problems with diesel fuel.
I would think that after it has fully cured it would be safe and effective for
patching a still.
Rob van Leuven writes :
I have used a so-called aquarium grade silicon; after it has cured
completely and the vessel (or fishtank) has been rinsed with water a couple
of times, it does not release any chemicals. If it did, it would kill the
fish immediately, because they are especially susceptable to chemical
pollution (especially sea fish).
The sealant/adhesive is resistant to temperatures up to 150 Celsius and
inert to most solvents, acids etc...
If you want to make a removable gasket, you can squeeze a large blob of
sealant between two panels of melamine faced chipboard which you have
previously covered in dishwashing detergent (fairy liquid). Don't forget to
separate the two panels with spacers which have the same thickness you want
the gasket to have. After it has cured completely you can cut out the right
shape with a sharp knife; put the gasket in boiling water for a while to
remove any residues and you have a longlife silicon rubber gasket!
Necessity is the mother of invention as the Irish say:)
The trick is to use non-acetic cure silicone. IOW, if it smells like vinegar when it's curing, it's no good. RTV (i.e. (R)oom (T) emperature (V)ulcanizing silicone works fine. I use Selley's Roof & Gutter Sealant (look it up). The last seal I made for my copper boiler was nearly 3 years ago now, and it's still working fine.
How to connect the column to the pot lid ? Scott writes ...
use a sink strainer. Mine is nickle plated
bronze that goes for $10 here in the US. It has two thread
diameters. The larger one is screwed into a hole in my lid that I
cut and rounded with a Dremel (this takes a bit of patience). An
added bonus is that the strainer has crosshairs that keep the packing
out of the pot. The smaller diameter screws into a female, 1.5 in.
copper fitting that costs about $4. An inert rubber gasket or
aquarium grade silicone provides the seal. I used a beer mini-keg
gasket that cost me $1. I also use a bit of PTFE tape on the thread
just to be safe, and this cost me $1.
The boiler is a 20 quart, el cheapo s.s. stock pot that I got for $14
at "McFrugals" here in California. Because it's thin steel, I use
pipe insulation tape that runs for $5.
So, the total cost, minus the Dremel, was $35 US for the strainer,
pot, gasket, PTFE tape, copper fitting, and pipe thread.
Using a Keg
In the photos
section, you might have seen the
pictures of Rays Keg still. Here's how he did it ...
I cut the hole out with a friend's plasma torch. I make a
fixture using the top piece of the original valve (see the large ring) which
fits perfect into the opening. Next, I used a brass nipple, cut it, and
turned the inside diameter to match he plasma torch tip. I silver soldered
it together using welding rod bent to match the radius of the keg. Kind of a
kluge, but it worked well. Here are some pictures of it with the cut out
At first I had leak problems because the hole I cut into the keg was so
close to the seal, it had to be centered exactly, or it leaked. Using the
same seal, I cut a polycarbonate disk and placed it against the seal, added
a gasket and it worked fine. Leaving a flat surface for the seal, and the
keg convex top cant miss the gasket. The gasket width gave me a lot more
flexibility with centering to the hole. You can see the line around the
opening, the original seal locates inside the line.
Next, I built another lid (untried as of yet) but cut a .5" wide, .075 deep
grove around radius, which will center on the keg opening and filled it with
RTV. It should be reusable several times, and it fits really nice.
The first pix shows the 2-15 degree angles on the copper disk edge, that
really helps keep the seal (black) in place. I use a brass pin in the bottom
of the column to hold the packing in place, easy to remove so the
polycarbonate disk can be slid on.
While I was making plastic circles and a big mess in the garage I cut this
one to fit a stainless pot with a flat edge. I used a paper gasket, and lots
of clamps to hold it down, that's how I got the mini model (see the
photos page). This looks lots simpler without clamps.
And, last but not least, (while I was continuing the mess in the garage) I
made a smaller disk and put a hole in it to match a carboy. Now, the
standard fermentation lock and cork will fit, and I can use the keg for a
ferment container. Still working on a good wort recipe, after that I'll try
this setup. The brown protective paper is still attached, that gets removed.
Thomas suggests ...
Another way to attach the column after the ball valve spear is removed is to
use a 2" tri clamp. A 2" tri clamp fits perfectly around the lip on top of
the keg fitting and clamps the column onto the keg tight. Granted its not as
easy to clean (i have a ball valve on the bottom side) but sure is easier
than building that top assemble.
...[for] jugs and bottles that have stubborn residue in
them ..what I do is to take a length of galvanized
chain -- smaller than the diameter of the bottle opening, and longer then
the height of the bottle -- and attach to the fishing line, which in turn
is attached to a spare cork.
I used to mix a solution of baking soda and water, but now I use a product
available in the States known a Oxiclean
(http://www.oxiclean.com/ABOUT.HTML) and water. I pour this into the bottle
and drop the chain in the bottle as well. I place my hand over the bottle
opening to prevent the cleaning solution from coming out and to keep the
fishing line in place (the cork is out side of the bottle -- the cork is for
easy removal of the chain/fishing line). I then shake, swish, and swirl the
bottle making sure to get every inside surface as best as I can. Then I
remove the chain/fishing line, and pour out the cleaning solution. I then
sterilize the bottle with a bleach/water solution, and store upside down
until I need it.
I have found that my chain method works better -- for me -- than the gravel
method that is sometimes recommended. If the bottle is still dirty after
cleaning in this fashion, your best bet is to not use the bottle, as nothing
will -- to my knowledge -- effectively clean the bottle.
For normal bottles and small jugs that need regular cleaning, I just use the
dishwasher. What I do is invert the bottles and jugs so that their openings
are toward the bottom of the dishwasher.
In my dishwasher (and I assume most have this) there are two places that you
can place dishwasher detergent -- one regular "cup" that holds the detergent
for regular loads, and a smaller cup to hold extra detergent for dirty
loads. In my dishwasher The smaller cup empties first and then later in the
cycle the regular "cup" is used.
Instead of using dishwasher detergent, I fill the smaller cup up with
Oxiclean (www.oxiclean.com), and I leave the regular load "cup" empty (If
you don't have Oxiclean, just leave everything empty and run the load with
just water). So, what happens is when the load starts the small cup empties
the Oxiclean into the wash and gives them a hot bath with Oxiclean. Then the
regular cycle kicks in -- without detergent or Oxiclean -- and rinses the
bottles with clean HOT water.
Pot Scourers / Scouring Pads
Make sure that your scouring pads are stainless steel or copper. Otherwise
they are likely to rust. Some of the cheaper ones might be galvanised
steel, and may soon break down. Stainless should be shiny whilst the galvanised is grey in appearance.
If you have found a source of pot scourers/scrubbing pads, but are unsure
of how they will perform, Patrick has a simple test ..
.. I soaked one in salt water (sea salt) and left it out in
the elements for about 2 weeks. No tarnishing or rust.
Some suggested online sources of scourers include ..