Something more going on than just ethanol. IMO

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Postby nuncaquite » Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:54 pm

I have seen it mentioned on Home Distiller by various others that there is less hangover in a drink of "artisan" liquor. I am also of that opinion. It also appears to me that there is less buzzy headedness in artisan liquor. A smoother more functional type of feeling or buzz, or however it would be described.

The store bought variety gives me a different feel. Slower reflexes, numb thought, coordination is more disturbed, poor(er) judgement, indigestion, and all on less ounces. Plus the addition of the morning after headache if limits a exceeded.

Percentage of ethanol in the blood as I understand it, is what the law uses to determine intoxication. I have read up on it and also asked folks that are supposedly in the know, and they all say it matters not from where that ethanol comes. Ex. wine, beer, whiskey, vodka, they say no difference. But as for me, I dont know about all of that.

Ive toured lots of distilleries. In those that allowed a look of their process I could see that they were not as concerned with boiler and column temp as what is suggested by Home Distiller vets. Could it be that the higher temps are pushing trough other volatiles that are having an effect on the body/mind? At least as far as the "buzz" is concerned..... Damn that was long winded. Anyone make it this far :)
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Re: Something more going on than just ethanol. IMO

Postby BugHunter » Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:02 pm

Funny, mostly what I've seen from the experienced folk is "don't pay attention to the temperatures, use your nose, tongue, ears and eyes."

Also what I've picked up from lots of reading here is that commercial spirits tend to contain a lot more heads and/or tails than well done homemade stuff. So there is indeed more stuff coming over in the commercial stuff due to their overly broad cuts. It's quite possible that some of those congeners are also responsible for some of the effect blamed on ethanol. I've never seem any data to support or refute that theory, but it wouldn't surprise me if it is true.
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Postby acfixer69 » Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:02 pm

nuncaquite wrote:I have seen it mentioned on Home Distiller by various others that there is less hangover in a drink of "artisan" liquor. I am also of that opinion. It also appears to me that there is less buzzy headedness in artisan liquor. A smoother more functional type of feeling or buzz, or however it would be described.

The store bought variety gives me a different feel. Slower reflexes, numb thought, coordination is more disturbed, poor(er) judgement, indigestion, and all on less ounces. Plus the addition of the morning after headache if limits a exceeded.

Percentage of ethanol in the blood as I understand it, is what the law uses to determine intoxication. I have read up on it and also asked folks that are supposedly in the know, and they all say it matters not from where that ethanol comes. Ex. wine, beer, whiskey, vodka, they say no difference. But as for me, I dont know about all of that.

Ive toured lots of distilleries. In those that allowed a look of their process I could see that they were not as concerned with boiler and column temp as what is suggested by Home Distiller vets. Could it be that the higher temps are pushing trough other volatiles that are having an effect on the body/mind? At least as far as the "buzz" is concerned..... Damn that was long winded. Anyone make it this far :)

I think you will find that temperature monitoring is not a Home Distiller recommendation in fact most say take it out.
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Postby cranky » Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:07 pm

I'll say I have noticed a much more intense buzz with a poorly cut spirit as opposed to something I cut specifically for drinking fresh. Of course Of course there is a headache to go along with that buzz. My vodka gives a steady smooth happy buzz that doesn't seem to last as long.
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Postby nuntius01 » Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:38 pm

well, from my family and friends, i can say most are surprised by the lack of the after affects. then i explain that i use just the hearts. there are some exceptions when i want some of the flavors. from touring a couple of the bigger distilleries and getting behind the scenes you find out that where you may say the end of the hearts is is much more restrictive. but, then im only doing 15 gal batches too. way easier for me to be picky. :moresarcasm:
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Re: Something more going on than just ethanol. IMO

Postby Truckinbutch » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:28 pm

My behavior is much better when I drink my own or other member's spirits as opposed to 'bottled in bond' .
Three double shots of Lord Calvert and I'd , and have , fight my best friend . Set a bottle of 'Crazy Chicken' in front of me and you don't have enough rope to tie me up .
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Postby Still Life » Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:08 am

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Postby BourbonStreet » Fri Nov 17, 2017 7:49 pm

I find that homemade is a better anesthetic than store-bought. It comes on quicker, too. I don’t always realize how powerful it is, until I try to get up and walk! It also has a tendency to make me sleep like a log if drunk too late at night. The only time I get hung over from it is when I drink it on an empty stomach, or am dehydrated. Even then, it’s a minor hangover.
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Re: Something more going on than just ethanol. IMO

Postby Worm_Drippinz » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:51 pm

nuncaquite wrote:I have seen it mentioned on Home Distiller by various others that there is less hangover in a drink of "artisan" liquor. I am also of that opinion. It also appears to me that there is less buzzy headedness in artisan liquor. A smoother more functional type of feeling or buzz, or however it would be described.

The store bought variety gives me a different feel. Slower reflexes, numb thought, coordination is more disturbed, poor(er) judgement, indigestion, and all on less ounces. Plus the addition of the morning after headache if limits a exceeded.

Percentage of ethanol in the blood as I understand it, is what the law uses to determine intoxication. I have read up on it and also asked folks that are supposedly in the know, and they all say it matters not from where that ethanol comes. Ex. wine, beer, whiskey, vodka, they say no difference. But as for me, I dont know about all of that.

Ive toured lots of distilleries. In those that allowed a look of their process I could see that they were not as concerned with boiler and column temp as what is suggested by Home Distiller vets. Could it be that the higher temps are pushing trough other volatiles that are having an effect on the body/mind? At least as far as the "buzz" is concerned..... Damn that was long winded. Anyone make it this far :)




I absolutely agree finer spirits decrease hangover.



I drank a pint and a half of some higher proof hearts a while ago (my posts show, don't judge! Lol)...woke up actually feeling better than usual?!?!!!


I've had surgeries that have left me less of a man...and it sucks.


It's rare I wake up feeling good at my young age.


Good booze shows itself!!!!


Good thread IMO.
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Re: Something more going on than just ethanol. IMO

Postby Pikey » Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:17 pm

Truckinbutch wrote:My behavior is much better when I drink my own or other member's spirits as opposed to 'bottled in bond' .
Three double shots of Lord Calvert and I'd , and have , fight my best friend . Set a bottle of 'Crazy Chicken' in front of me and you don't have enough rope to tie me up .
Seems that making our own improves behavior and I'm all for that .


I think so - I recognise much of that - nowadays, I just get mellow - then it's the next day ! :lol: :lol:

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Re: Something more going on than just ethanol. IMO

Postby nuncaquite » Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:22 pm

I think you will find that temperature monitoring is not a Home Distiller recommendation in fact most say take it out.[/quote]


My post was already long enough. I didnt think every little detail would mean so much. I bbq outdoors on propane, slightest atmospheric change (wind, temp) takes my eye's to the thermometer. Anyhow, I was speaking more about the temps at distilleries. Ive seen 2 that were at 200f at the top of the column, and they were not at the end of a run. Thats smokin IMO
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Re: Something more going on than just ethanol. IMO

Postby nuncaquite » Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:26 pm

Forgot to say. Their product was just about undrinkable.
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Re: Something more going on than just ethanol. IMO

Postby Pikey » Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:45 pm

nuncaquite wrote:
unknown...... wrote: I think you will find that temperature monitoring is not a Home Distiller recommendation in fact most say take it out.



My post was already long enough. I didnt think every little detail would mean so much. I bbq outdoors on propane, slightest atmospheric change (wind, temp) takes my eye's to the thermometer. Anyhow, I was speaking more about the temps at distilleries. Ive seen 2 that were at 200f at the top of the column, and they were not at the end of a run. Thats smokin IMO


I think you want your other thread ! :wink:

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Re: Something more going on than just ethanol. IMO

Postby HDNB » Sat Nov 18, 2017 5:19 pm

Truckinbutch wrote:My behavior is much better when I drink my own or other member's spirits as opposed to 'bottled in bond' .
Three double shots of Lord Calvert and I'd , and have , fight my best friend . Set a bottle of 'Crazy Chicken' in front of me and you don't have enough rope to tie me up .
Seems that making our own improves behavior and I'm all for that .


:lol: LOL, Tater hasn't had you out behind the stillin' shack for so long now... you must have finally got your likker cabinet emptied of the commercial booze and only have your own on hand now.

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Postby Truckinbutch » Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:47 pm

HDNB wrote:
Truckinbutch wrote:My behavior is much better when I drink my own or other member's spirits as opposed to 'bottled in bond' .
Three double shots of Lord Calvert and I'd , and have , fight my best friend . Set a bottle of 'Crazy Chicken' in front of me and you don't have enough rope to tie me up .
Seems that making our own improves behavior and I'm all for that .


:lol: LOL, Tater hasn't had you out behind the stillin' shack for so long now... you must have finally got your likker cabinet emptied of the commercial booze and only have your own on hand now.

Sry...that crazy chicken line cost me a keyboard. :clap:

And you proved my point :thumbup:
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Re: Something more going on than just ethanol. IMO

Postby nuncaquite » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:00 pm

Anyhow, this is the Research and Theory section of the board. I was asking the initial question as a lead up to some other questions. Here is one.
Work long hours today, hope I can articulate this well enough. Question: Did you ever notice that alcohol rehab works for some folks, but others just dont rehab, no matter how many attempts? If its "alcohol rehab" then its "ethanol rehab". We agreed that some adult beverages affect us different than others. That there is something more (possibly) going on than just ethanol. What if those that dont rehab are having more than just an ethanol issue? Could other byproducts of fermentation be the culprit, or an additional culprit along with ethanol in their failure?
I dont think it can be ruled out. But Im no doctor.
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Postby HDNB » Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:50 pm

Everyone has their own reasons for their addictions. I doubt that heads is one of them.

I can get pissed as a newt on a few beer, but damn I can drink whiskey all night. gotta be some kind of difference but they are both good!
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Re: Something more going on than just ethanol. IMO

Postby nuncaquite » Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:06 pm

When I was in school the teachers would always say that alcohol was a depressant/a downer.
As we got older and began to experiment with alcohol, we noticed that a few chums would drink
and just go nuts. Just out of their heads hyper unstoppable fools. Im sure some of you have seen similar.
One drink down and they are a completely different person.

Could it be that ethanol is indeed a depressant, and that something else in the ferment is affecting these guys in such a hyper manner?
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Re: Something more going on than just ethanol. IMO

Postby HDNB » Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:26 pm

nuncaquite wrote:When I was in school the teachers would always say that alcohol was a depressant/a downer.
As we got older and began to experiment with alcohol, we noticed that a few chums would drink
and just go nuts. Just out of their heads hyper unstoppable fools. Im sure some of you have seen similar.
One drink down and they are a completely different person.

Could it be that ethanol is indeed a depressant, and that something else in the ferment is affecting these guys in such a hyper manner?



People with ADHD often react to drugs opposite of the "norm" the most people react.

Ritalin is a common drug to treat ADHD...a central nervous system stimulant...odd thing to treat a hyperactive kid with you'd think? No?

brain chemistry is a scary place to screw around.
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Re: Something more going on than just ethanol. IMO

Postby nuncaquite » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:54 am

That's a solid thought
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