Organic or NOT, arguement

[rad14701]

Several major food distributors in this area have recently stopped accepting any food containing "pink slime"... So many, along with others nationwide, that the company manufacturing pink slime will likely file for bankruptcy and go out of business...

[Bagasso]

so what do you think of using dead food as your base or live food as your base?

Dead food? Please, old timers would salt, smoke and dry meats and fish, dehydrate or boil and can fruits and veggies to get them through tough times. Those were probably deader than the tater in that girls video. Yes canned spuds are dead and don't sprout but it doesn't make them nutritionally worthless. Even if you get organic grains or fruits to make your wash you are going to boil them. How alive do you think they going to be after that?

[blind drunk]

The only time I deliberately use organic fruit and peel is when I'm doing a direct maceration with the distillate I'm going to drink without a further distillation.

[Durace11]

Along the lines of this thread, if you were offered organic food as it is produced today vs genetically modified food scientifically proven to be more nutritious. Which would you prefer, if both were proven to be equally safe to eat? Not saying that today’s GM food is safer to eat just asking if GM food was made as safe as organic food but more nutritious would people eat it.

[heartcut]

The thing that scares me about GMOs is no one knows all that much about how the genes interact with one another. Might be a decade or two away from that. The way Gregor Mendel bred plants was time consuming but combined time tested genetic combinations. Most of the GMO stuff is probably OK, but who knows whether you'll be the one doing a blind taste test for something that messes you up?

[cob]

if by some magic from this day forward this planet produced only organic food, 3 billion of the 7 billion poeple on this planet would die of starvation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhBKtjDt ... re=related
without petrochemicals human sustainability is about 2.5 billion

[retlaw]

if by some magic from this day forward this planet produced only organic food, 3 billion of the 7 billion poeple on this planet would die of starvation.

people are growing one million pounds of organic food on three acres,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV9CCxdkOng

in Taos new mexico Michael Reynolds has been making homes from garbage for close to 40 years and they have figured out out how to build a home that does not need anything from a grid and that can feed a family of four with out going to the store for food, all organic,

so saying people would stare is ignorant for lack of research and viewing the world through Monsanto glass's,

why do humans the only living substance on the planet pay to live here?
when million s of other living substances live here for free?
are we that out of wack with our environment or just brain washed so much?

[heartcut]

Both good points. Humans have severely overpopulated Earth partly because of the cheap energy and fertilizer obtained from petroleum and people still starve. If someone waved a magic wand and oil went away, lots more people would starve. Organic, back to the Earth living is doable in some places, but there's not enough arable land on the planet for every family to have a couple acres. New York City and London, for example, would be difficult to family farm though Tucson might be a little easier.

[cob]

the population of earth has doubled from 3.5 billion in 1959 to 7 billion in 2012, and at the present declining rate should double again to 14 billion by 2057.
http://www.unfpa.org/6billion/pages/worldpopgrowth.htm
according to national geographic society the sustainable global population prior to modern farming techniques was 2.5 billion. but what do they know?

so saying people would stare is ignorant for lack of research and viewing the world through Monsanto glass's,

[retlaw]

besides the hormones and other crap the industry shoots into and feeds the farm animals
the aging of meat today is done by carbon monoxide gasing,

that is screwed up,

i started raising heritage turkey's to get some white meat beside the moose and deer my family eats,
so i fertilized my turkey pasture area,
one side with granular chemical nitrogen fertilizer and the other side with bone meal,
just to see what would do better,

hands down the bone meal kicked ass to the chemical fertilizer,
darker green, fuller, taller, dandelions a full third bigger,

no wonder why my old hippie friend grows garlic the size of apples,

[Ayay]

Why does Monsanto oppose truthful labelling? Because we are Monsanto's guineapigs.

[Dnderhead]

"granular chemical nitrogen fertilizer and the other side with bone meal"
that is two different makeups, bone meal is high in phosphates,not nitrogen.used more for roots.
nitrogen is more for the tops,
in general ,all is needed without one it cant use one of the others.
N) nitrogen-grows green leafy plants.
Phosphates for roots/fruits
K) potassium,general overall health.
so if you were growing lettuce you need all 3 but a bit higher in nitrites
if you are growing say carrots? then a bit higher in phosphates.
also the PH makes a difference ,for most 6-7 . birds shit is high in nitrates so that is probably why you did not need it.but it lacked phosphates for the roots,with out the roots it cant absorb the nitrogen