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Re: gin blends

Postby Slow & Steady » Sun Mar 21, 2010 11:26 pm

Over the years I have made some very poor quality gin :oops: ... and this recipe gets me a good result. :ebiggrin: Sometimes it seems the herbs and spices are more or less potent than the last batch. I have purchased juniper berries that didn't give enough flavor :? and two years ago I got some of the most potent coriander of my life. If the batch turns out a little off I just add some more of what tastes like it is missing and redistill after it maserates. I think it improves in flavor if stored about six months to a year but most times it doesn't last long enough to verify that claim. :wink:

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My second gin

Postby Glyn » Sat May 29, 2010 8:39 pm

in 3l of 90%

42g juniper
25g corriander
~4g fennel seeds
two arms of star of star anise
3 cardamon pods
4 pepper corns
1 and a half almonds
1cm cinnamon quills
4 sq cm of lemon skin
3sq cm of lime skin

crushed and soaked for 3 days. distilled.

This is pretty much Kiwi's recipe.
Very popular with my friends - had a test session last night.
A little too heavy on the cirtus for me, and a little light on the juniper also.
Next time i'll cut the citrus out and add more juniper.
I still like it. The first thing i've made that i'm actually really proud of - which is lucky because i'm serving it at my 21st next weekend.
Am keen to try with the mint again also. Maybe the time after next.

The undiluted spirit (90%) has a strange green hue, and when diluted to 40% gets very cloudy. - Probably too much oil from the citrus skin?
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Re: gin blends

Postby kiwistiller » Sat May 29, 2010 8:59 pm

Cool! Man I miss playing around with gin. I need to make some more neutral. Basically if it louches there are more oils dissolved in the alcohol at high proof than can be supported at low proof, so they precipitate out. You can add a bit of neutral to it and they'll dissolve right back in.

As far as the greenish hue goes.... you mean after it is distilled? If its after, I'm pretty sure you must have puked the still. colour shouldn't distill over. maybe there was something in your condenser?
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Re: gin blends

Postby Caustic » Sat Jul 17, 2010 4:22 am

I just finished my first run of gin today, I stilled 50 liters of birdwatchers down to 3.5 liters of neutral. Then I detuned my essencia still, ripped out the packing and made a tube out of stainless mesh which I inserted in place of the packing, after loading it with my basic botanical mix (juniper, coriander seed, lemon zest, orange zest, star anise, nutmeg and cinnamon) I ran it through and ended up with a very respectacble drink. I am amazed at the complexity of flavours carried through, and After testing with an equal measure of tonic and a slice of lemon, (even after a couple of hours in the demijohn) it is quite drinkable. and while all my other efforts to date are aging away on the shelf, this has the ability of getting into a glass sometime in the not so distant future. And the best part about gin experimentation is the endless length of the spice aisle in the supermarket. I think that Gin is a spirit that the novice distiller should easilly eclipse the efforts of commercial distilleries, due simply to the fact that the receipe is so open to personal preferances. What a hobby... :D
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Re: gin blends

Postby Rod » Sat Jul 17, 2010 5:40 pm

Slow & Steady wrote:It took me a long time to work out this recipe, I was trying to do the Bombay gin head thing with a tilt towards Tangeray. Some of the problems I encountered may have had to do with the quality of some of my botanicals and the distilation techniques I was using had to change. The quality of the alcohol needs to be your FINEST. I like the distilled maceration flavor better than my gin head flavor. This recipe favors the upfront juniper of Tangeray while subtle citrus and warming herbs take the edge off the gin... I don't like being hit in the face by a pine bough any more than the next guy, but a walk in a pine forest on a warm spring day, well that is what I'm looking for. This will produce a sipping quality gin, but it can stand up to a bit of tonic or vermouth as well...

Macerate at least 24 hours but not more than 48 hours
1 gallon of the finest aged neutral you can produce at about 75% ABV
7 oz - Juniper berries (crushed)
2 oz - Coriander (crushed)
1 tsp - bitter orange peel (minced)
1 tsp - dried licorice root (little bits and pieces)
1 - whole Star Anise (crushed)
1/2 tsp - Grain of Paradise
1" from a cinnamon stick
zest 1/2 of a sweet orange
zest of 1 lemon
zest of 2 limes
1 small clove
4 fresh leaves from a Rosemary plant.

After half the maceration time has elapsed add 1/2 gallon of pure water.

When maceration time is over distill in a pot still, no scrubbers of any kind, as they knock down flavor profiles, and catch 100% of the distillate. No cuts are necessary as the quality of the neutral you have used is beyond reproach. Run the distillate down to 10% ABV or 99 degrees C. Some of the warm mouth feel crosses over at 98 to 99 degrees so do not shut down to early or your gin will lack a certain quality that comes from the coriander, be careful not to go to far and burn the maceration on the bottom of the still as it is a bitch to remove. I have burned it twice... yes I realize... I'm a slow learner.

The distillate is likely to be a flavor concentrate (unless you like your gin really strong), I add aged neutral to the distillate until I get a flavor profile that matches my taste. I do not water it down less than 141 proof as I like the way a gin and tonic turns out at the higher proof.

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looks good and worth a try

not sure on your oz measurement

here 1 oz is 28.375 grams ( 1 pound 454g , 16 oz to the pound)

can you please confirm for us metric folk
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Re: gin blends

Postby Rod » Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:28 pm

Slow & Steady wrote:It took me a long time to work out this recipe, I was trying to do the Bombay gin head thing with a tilt towards Tangeray. Some of the problems I encountered may have had to do with the quality of some of my botanicals and the distilation techniques I was using had to change. The quality of the alcohol needs to be your FINEST. I like the distilled maceration flavor better than my gin head flavor. This recipe favors the upfront juniper of Tangeray while subtle citrus and warming herbs take the edge off the gin... I don't like being hit in the face by a pine bough any more than the next guy, but a walk in a pine forest on a warm spring day, well that is what I'm looking for. This will produce a sipping quality gin, but it can stand up to a bit of tonic or vermouth as well...

Macerate at least 24 hours but not more than 48 hours
1 gallon of the finest aged neutral you can produce at about 75% ABV
7 oz - Juniper berries (crushed)
2 oz - Coriander (crushed)
1 tsp - bitter orange peel (minced)
1 tsp - dried licorice root (little bits and pieces)
1 - whole Star Anise (crushed)
1/2 tsp - Grain of Paradise
1" from a cinnamon stick
zest 1/2 of a sweet orange
zest of 1 lemon
zest of 2 limes
1 small clove
4 fresh leaves from a Rosemary plant.

After half the maceration time has elapsed add 1/2 gallon of pure water.

When maceration time is over distill in a pot still, no scrubbers of any kind, as they knock down flavor profiles, and catch 100% of the distillate. No cuts are necessary as the quality of the neutral you have used is beyond reproach. Run the distillate down to 10% ABV or 99 degrees C. Some of the warm mouth feel crosses over at 98 to 99 degrees so do not shut down to early or your gin will lack a certain quality that comes from the coriander, be careful not to go to far and burn the maceration on the bottom of the still as it is a bitch to remove. I have burned it twice... yes I realize... I'm a slow learner.

The distillate is likely to be a flavor concentrate (unless you like your gin really strong), I add aged neutral to the distillate until I get a flavor profile that matches my taste. I do not water it down less than 141 proof as I like the way a gin and tonic turns out at the higher proof.

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Slow and Steady ,

why do we need to redistill the macerated spirit

what do we gain

what do we lose ,

we take out the scrubbers so as not to knock down the profiles etc etc

why not just filter
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Re: gin blends

Postby kiwistiller » Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:55 pm

three main reasons, clarity, astringency and bitterness.
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Re: gin blends

Postby Rod » Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:13 pm

clarity sounds OK

I assume the astringency and bitterness would go into the water phase

thanks

ps it's good when somebody over the ditch can help
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Re: gin blends

Postby Slow & Steady » Tue Jul 27, 2010 3:36 pm

Sorry for the delay in my responce. Rod it is just as Kiwistiller sez. The distilation gives an essence flavor without all the crud flavors coming across.

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Re: gin blends

Postby WalkingWolf » Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:42 pm

Thanks to bgrizzle for the link to BulkFoods. There is a section on spices and herbs. Looks like they have some of the gin botanicals.

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Re: gin blends

Postby davidwh » Sat Sep 25, 2010 9:19 pm

Hello all,

Wondering what you all do for still cleaning run after running Gins...A juniper flavoured bourbon (next run) does not really appeal that much.

Plain steam run suffice?

Also any one found a source (Local for me is Aussie) for

Cubeb berries
and
Grains of paradise


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Re: gin blends

Postby kiwistiller » Sun Oct 17, 2010 1:36 am

Holy shit so I was running a gin today, from clean neutral, and when I hit 55% the stuff starts coming off the worm piss-yellow. No puking or anything like that, heat was down very very low. The yellow faded somewhat as the run progressed, but stayed right through to slow drips under 20%.

Thoughts, ideas? Never seen anything like this before. Normally I'd expect to start seeing pale white milkyness in a gin run around maybe 40% or lower, but I've never seen coloured liquid like this straight off the condenser. It's a clear yellow as well. Just weird.

The gin, by the way, smells awesome.
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