Ted's Fast Fermenting Vodka

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Re: Ted's Fast Fermenting Vodka

Post by MartinCash » Fri Aug 07, 2020 4:33 pm

Hi Mars,

With my water and source of ingredients, I haven't needed to adjust this recipe for pH. If you were doing multiple generations it might be a different story, and also it might vary with your water chemistry. I think the wheat bran has some decent buffering capacity.

One thing, though. I've doubled the amount of wheat bran in the recipe and got a better fermentation. Not as neutral as the original, but a very nice lightly flavoured product, and still great for refluxing to produce a light grain alcohol-like product.

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Re: Ted's Fast Fermenting Vodka

Post by StillerBoy » Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:10 pm

MartinCash wrote:
Fri Aug 07, 2020 4:33 pm
With my water and source of ingredients, I haven't needed to adjust this recipe for pH. If you were doing multiple generations it might be a different story, and also it might vary with your water chemistry. I think the wheat bran has some decent buffering capacity.
As to the water chemistry, I don't think it make much of a different in a sugar wash.. I've done wash using water from different areas around me, plus guided other within a 3 hr radius of me to understand how to make a wash within the 3 days, and they all were able to do so..

Yes some ferment with some grains in them, such this one or Rad's all bran, or wheat germ, will have a different Ph activity than just a regular sugar wash.. but the process, additional ingredients, the balancing of those ingredient, will change slightly.. but the overall process will still require attention, to the same level as plain sugar wash..

MartinCash wrote:
Fri Aug 07, 2020 4:33 pm
One thing, though. I've doubled the amount of wheat bran in the recipe and got a better fermentation
You have changed the original recipe, and that's a good thing.. making small changes and monitoring the change is how one improve the outcome for the better..

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Re: Ted's Fast Fermenting Vodka

Post by 270west » Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:21 pm

Thoughtful reply stillerboy and much appreciated. I did not check pH after the initial 5.2.
I started at 28C (82F) and held it there. I will take your advice on both points in my next batch. Advice like this is priceless!
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Re: Ted's Fast Fermenting Vodka

Post by NZChris » Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:49 pm

I'm not a great fan of wheat, so I went the other way and used a fraction of the amount of bran, but put an aquarium pump inside the fermenter to aerate it until the headspace ran out of O2 and left it running to agitate it with the CO2 bubbles until the ferment was nearly finished.

Less than half of a 130g clam shell was used up and the pH was fine right to the end of the ferment.

I've had people tell me they like my narrow heart cut so I have kept some as vodka for visitors, but I'm not a fan so I put most of it through my Bokakob to use for making gin. It makes great base spirit for a variety of gins, so I will be doing it again.

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Re: Ted's Fast Fermenting Vodka

Post by xcaret » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:17 am

I'm in no hurry to have my wash ready to distill.
I use 4 one gallon jugs and Fleischmann's yeast to ferment .
To each jug I add 2 cups of regular sugar , 1 tablespoon of yeast , and 4 ounces of tomato paste .
I have heating pad that is made for a dog to lay on , and it is usually around 85 F.
I usually see the balloons or air locks no longer active in 7 days or less.
I get around 15% alcohol content using this method.

If I were to buy DADY yeast would I get a higher alcohol content ?
I'm not concerned about the time it takes ,only the % of alcohol.

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Re: Ted's Fast Fermenting Vodka

Post by Demy » Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:10 pm

I don't know that yeast because where I live there are other products but as long as the yeast is able to completely ferment the sugar you will get the same alcohol content. The behavior, the aromatic profile, the ability to produce a clean product, etc. may change a little, but the alcohol will be the same. Just my opinion.

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Re: Ted's Fast Fermenting Vodka

Post by Up in the Shed » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:58 am

Ive fermented TFFV a few times at higher ABV.... If its the first generation, I found it just takes proportionately longer.... Instead of 4 days, 6 days, etc. However, I would assume this is only accurate until the ABV gets up to the point where the yeast struggle. TFFV was designed to be low ABV and be ready to run fast, with relatively low esters and off flavours. Im unique in that I run it through a Pot still 4 to 5 times, with dilution each time, so the it can have off flavours, but I get them stripped out to almost flavourless when Im done.

That being said, TFFV is by far my favourite vodka, failsafe, go to recipe
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Re: Ted's Fast Fermenting Vodka

Post by MartinCash » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:17 pm

Why is this not in Tried and True yet?

To me it's an easier and cleaner take on Deathwish Wheat Germ.

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Re: Ted's Fast Fermenting Vodka

Post by Corsaire » Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:08 pm

xcaret wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:17 am
If I were to buy DADY yeast would I get a higher alcohol content ?
I'm not concerned about the time it takes ,only the % of alcohol.
If you don't add more sugar you won't get more abv by just changing yeast.

That said, there's a good reason why this wash targets a low abv.
Stress free yeast makes for cleaner ferments.

Maybe you should run a batch of this and compare it to your usual brew, see what you prefer.

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Re: Ted's Fast Fermenting Vodka

Post by just_still » Thu Oct 08, 2020 9:32 am

Has anybody ran this with just a strip & spirit in a pot still? I'm probably gonna try it in my pot and see how it turns out, I was just curious if someone has already done it and their thoughts on whether or not it's worth doing. I'm looking for a somewhat neutral base to try FullySilenced's butterscotch and candy cane recipes over in the nuke thread, but all I've got is the pot. I can add some copper scrub pads for a little passive reflux, but still just a pot. I'm wondering how imposing the wheat bran flavor will be with the candy adjuncts.

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Re: Ted's Fast Fermenting Vodka

Post by SaltyStaves » Thu Oct 08, 2020 11:19 am

I only have a pot still and this is the first recipe I made when I started the hobby. I make it annually and keep it in the freezer and enjoy it throughout the summer. It is pretty far from neutral, so I had to do a few things to tone it down.
I use stale wheat and I do not boil the grains. In fact I pour boiling water over them and allow it to stand for no longer than a minute before straining. This adds to the fermentation time, but its worth it for my tastes. I also add rolled oats up to 15% of the grain bill. It adds lots of body, but also contributes some additional flavour. It is still the least flavoured thing I make (other than my gin bases, but I don't sip them as is).

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Re: Ted's Fast Fermenting Vodka

Post by Big_D » Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:38 pm

Double post. My bad :?
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Re: Ted's Fast Fermenting Vodka

Post by Big_D » Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:05 pm

I started another run of this a few of weeks ago.
First ferment for stripping run I doubled the recipe for a 46L ferment as I've upgraded to a keg boiler. It fermented out just under 5 days, then left for a week to clear before running.
The second one I repeated the process, but instead of adding yeast I added the strained trub......
Don't do this it took ages stalled at 1.030 and has taken another week to get down to 1.005.
Follow the recipe and it works very well, stray from it at your own risk.

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