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Re: sweetfeed whisky

Post by Milo2091 » Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:14 am

I've seen a lot of people looking for and trying to make their own sweet feed. I have been buying it for the last few years at Walmart online. Order it online and pick it up in the store, Mana pro

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Re: sweetfeed whisky

Post by 30xs » Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:17 pm

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Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:14 am
I've seen a lot of people looking for and trying to make their own sweet feed. I have been buying it for the last few years at Walmart online. Order it online and pick it up in the store, Mana pro
My local Southern States carries Manna Pro, but when I asked they said that it contained pellets. I didn’t buy a bag to try, I just purchased grains separately.

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Re: sweetfeed whisky

Post by CuWhistle » Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:11 am

This is what you want. https://www.walmart.com/ip/C-O-B-With-M ... s/10449501
Ingredients: Guaranteed Analysis: Protein, Min - 8.00%. Crude Fat, Min - 2.50%. Crude Fiber, Max - 5.00%. Rolled Barley, Cracked Corn, Rolled Oats, Cane Molasses, Calcium Propionate.

The Sweet 10 is full of other stuff that may be a bit undesirable. Or on the other the hand the yeasties may love it. The thing is some other corn distiller has already beaten you to the punch with this one.
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Corn, oats, wheat middlings, corn distillers dried grains with solubles, cane molasses, vegetable oil, soybean meal, calcium carbonate, monocalcium phosphate, dicalcium phosphate, salt, magnesium oxide, potassium chloride, ferrous carbonate, ferrous sulfate, copper sulfate, manganous oxide, manganese sulfate, zinc oxide, zinc sulfate, cobalt carbonate, calcium iodate, sodium selenite, vitamin A supplement, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, thiamine mononitrate, riboflavin supplement, niacin supplement, choline chloride, calcium pantothenate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12 supplement, propionic acid.

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Re: sweetfeed whisky

Post by 30xs » Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:52 pm

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I don’t know if it’s due to location, northeast, but I can’t get it. Even the purple bag Producers Pride from Tractor Supply can’t be shipped to store for pickup.

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Re: sweetfeed whisky

Post by CuWhistle » Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:03 pm

I cant get it in my location either but the ingredient list makes it pretty easy to copy.

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Re: sweetfeed whisky

Post by conodor » Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:02 pm

Just did a marathon read on this thread. Lot of info on here Thanks everyone. I see the last few posts are saying to get COB from walmart. It's unavailable online right now.

*edit*
Seems the purple bag is no longer a pellet free option.
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Re: sweetfeed whisky

Post by CuWhistle » Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:40 am

Hard to say from where I sit, but if you read far enough through the question and answers section I think I'd be ok about using it. Corn oats barley molasses.

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Re: sweetfeed whisky

Post by conodor » Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:55 pm

Anyone ever order from this site? " Trust Deals mart" ? i can't find any good or bad reviews. on this site or anywhere online. It looks like a walmart site, with a bit of searching it shows that walmart bought them in the last year or 2. Decent price with free shipping.

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I just tried ordering from there, i used an old sprint american express. i wasn't 100% there were funds on it anymore. it said the card was declined. So i put a credit card in that i know funds are on, i rarely use this card also so if it's a scam it shouldn't be to hard to deal with. It also said declined put another card in... So i'm not thinking this is a reputable site to deal with.


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Re: sweetfeed whisky

Post by Honest_Liberty » Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:41 pm

I live near Denver, Colorado. We have a feed store I'll leave un-named.
It's called sweet 3-way. The 50lb bag is $14.99, and its Corn, Oats, Barley saturated in Molasses. The front of the bag says "FEED".

I'm surprised there aren't feed stores around most of the parts where people are asking because I'm in a super socialist city and we still have one.

Anyway, you can go to Murdoch's and separately purchase cracked corn, oats, and barley, plus buy the molasses cheap online in bulk:
https://www.webstaurantstore.com/golden ... KSTPP.html

only problem is storing 150 pounds of grain before you can use it.

I feel confident the recipe would do better with splitting up the ingredients, to maximize the sugars available from corn, using high temp alpha and then adding the others with gluco at about 152F or whatever it needs. I think my oats and barley are suffering from too high a temp, but its still delicious as the original recipe calls for.

The original recipe is about as awesome as it gets flavor wise for money, time, and effort.

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Re: sweetfeed whisky

Post by conodor » Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:28 am

Found a local feed source that has pellet free SW. Time to jump in to the SW pool.

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Re: sweetfeed whisky

Post by Honest_Liberty » Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:29 pm

conodor wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:28 am
Found a local feed source that has pellet free SW. Time to jump in to the SW pool.
Yes, it is! :lol:

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Re: sweetfeed whisky

Post by Hillbilly Popstar » Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:00 pm

Not all pellet feed is bad. Jussayin...

Gotta read the ingredients.
Seems to me it's just the stuff with certain preservatives and alot of grass additives that is the real problem.
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Re: sweetfeed whisky

Post by bluegrass » Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:58 pm

My dad and I started running sweetfeed shine, after I stumbled across the idea, on some facebook group. We tried several brands. We have used both kinds with and with out pellets. For us, the pellets didnt mess up the taste for us, we really couldnt tell they were in there. However, they will turn into the sludge stuff in the fermenters and It is a pain to deal with.

The brand we have found we like the best is Producers Pride All Grain:

https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/produ ... XQQAvD_BwE


It works very well, taste great and is cheap. Ill even buy some black strap molasses and toss some extra in on occasion.
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Re: sweetfeed whisky

Post by Honest_Liberty » Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:32 pm

So I have moved up to (2) 20 gallon ferments, which yields me a grain bed of approximately 8gallons worth, with me taking maybe 12 gallons of hazy beer.
I've scoured the thread, again, and I must have missed where the backset addition is specified. My understanding is that I'm supposed to leave the grain bed, and refill with backset warmed sugar, at 90F.

I have not made this multi generation before, so I'm confused about how to calculate sugar/gallon to my additional 12 gallons or so I'm adding back for 2nd generation. Will the alcohol that is already contained in the grain bed screw up the next ferment?

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Re: sweetfeed whisky

Post by Durhommer » Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:35 pm

yer adding so much water the abv will drastically fall and the yeast will do their job
You have two ears and one mouth for a reason....

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Re: sweetfeed whisky

Post by Honest_Liberty » Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:09 pm

Thank you Durhommer!

I just took a 300ml jar at 60%...setting that aside from now on out of every run. WOW! I get more impressed each time.

I think adding HT Alpha and gluco has altered the flavor but I've got none left of the original recipe so I can't be sure, but hot dog this is awesome!

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Re: sweetfeed whisky

Post by Durhommer » Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:39 am

i think this will be my winter work never done the sfw i like the flavor that the enzymes take from the grain
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Re: sweetfeed whisky

Post by LunaDogFever707 » Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:30 pm

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Just now starting my first ever run of this stuff, went on the search for the correct bag, finally found it after tweaking out on the tractor supply website and also did 2 exchanges there, found out it had pellets. FINALLY! I found the bag without pellets,

it's the Producers Pride: Sweet COB, purple bag
SKU 280087099

Upon reading the description and a bunch of questions before driving into town, I didn't see anything about pellets. Bought the bag, opened in the truck, Lo and behold.... No pellets!!

Slightly different. So guna do a 4 gallon batch since my still is 5 gallons, leave a gallon of headspace. 6 lbs of sweet feed, 6 lbs of plain white sugar, heating up 2 gallons of gen 4 ujssm backset, then guna put in 2 and a half gallons of my well water. I've got some gypsum, lemon juice, ph tests, refractometer, etc. If all turns out fine n dandy, I'll make 50 gallon batch of mash.
Will update with pics in a bit

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Re: sweetfeed whisky

Post by LunaDogFever707 » Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:55 pm

Here's a pic as promised. Bubbling away quite nicely, starting gravitg at 1.085, used Red Star dady, bit of gypsum, some squeezes of lemon, etc. Curious question for anybody willing to answer... Do people on here start their own thread to post about their ferments and runs, etc or do ya just post what's going on in any relevant thread?
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Re: sweetfeed whisky

Post by bez » Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:59 am

does anyone have a ratio of the ingredients? i live on the eastern part of the USA and dont have sweet feed available but can get all the individual ingredients to make my own? any input would be greatly appreciated!

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Re: sweetfeed whisky

Post by still_stirrin » Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:12 am

bez wrote:
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does anyone have a ratio of the ingredients? i live on the eastern part of the USA and dont have sweet feed available but can get all the individual ingredients to make my own? any input would be greatly appreciated!
A simple search gave me this result: viewtopic.php?f=34&t=48217

It’s a corn-oats-barley mix sweetened with molasses. Percentages are not critical and adjustable to taste.
Recommended reading: https://homedistiller.org/wiki/index.php/Sweet_Feed
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Re: sweetfeed whisky

Post by LunaDogFever707 » Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:39 pm

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Whelp, here's my spirit run of the sweet stuff, do small runs in my chinesium still in the chicken coop haha! Hearts run I've been collecting a half gallon with a tad bit of tails in the jar but it tastes better to me that way.

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Re: sweetfeed whisky

Post by LunaDogFever707 » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:24 am

Did some mods to my still, added a lil gin basket in the vapor path between the boiler and the football shaped part of the column. Filled it full of cranberries and blackberries, boiler full of the sweetfeed wash. Got the football mounted vertically and filled with more berries. Figured the vapor go thru the first set of berries and then thru the 2nd set. Comingle, get some good flavors, condense on some of the berries like having packing inside a column. Worked out pretty well! Stuff been coming out at 68% abv, taste like the berry mixture pretty good, with a good bit of the sweetfeed aftertaste. Ran it thru a couple runs at a time, break it down and swap old berries for new. Repeat. All in all, I collected 4 gallons from a 46 gallon wash. Sat all my good tasting cuts in quart jars, mixed em into a couple 1 gallon carboys for storing for a while. All my okayish tasting bits, guna play with em and see if I get something good outta em. The rest I'll use as feints for next time I run. Waiting to get a barrel from local winery, they have a few 10 gallon barrels once in a while for sale

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Re: sweetfeed whisky

Post by Tlcopeland » Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:22 am

I've got my first effort at this recipe fermenting as we speak. My "all grain" sweetfeed looked and smelled great but didn't seem to have that much visible corn in it so I added 4 cups of cracked corn. Hopefully that didn't screw up the "sweetness" of it. We'll see! I use a pot still with a thumper. Normally I would put some of the mash in the thumper when I run it but I'm wondering if there is a better way to "enhance" the flavor that carries through. I'd like to now if anyone has put some uncooked unfermented sweet feed in the thumper with some of the mash or maybe cook some sweet feed and put the unfermented liquid in the thumper. Thoughts on these ideas or any other to enhance the flavor that comes through? Also, what ABV have you found works best for this recipe? My starting SG was 1.075 which is a little less that 10 ABV. Didn't see any mentions of the SG's or final ABV of the mash in the thread so I'm just looking for input at this point.

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Re: sweetfeed whisky

Post by HomerD » Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:38 am

Found this on another site:
Ingredients

sweet feed (unpelletized)
Chopped corn
sugar
yeast
water
This recipe will make 30 gallons of mash by total volume including the grains.

See the chart below for different size recipes for mash batches in gallons. To alter the batch size just insert numbers from the chart into the instructions that follow.

Gallons Grains (gallons) Yeast (Tablespoons) Sugar (pounds)
30 5 6 25
20 3.5 4 16
10 2 2 8
5 1 1 4
2.5 0.5 0.5 2
Instructions

Crack the grains

In a large pot add five gallons of water, an outdoor turkey fryer pot works great. Bring this water to 160f. I use an outdoor propane burner.


120 qt pot for heating up the water
While waiting for the water to come to temperature put one part sweet feed to 2 parts corn in a 5 gallon bucket until its full. I use a one gallon scoop so it doesn’t take as long. Set aside until the water reaches 160f


1 part sweet feed to 2 parts chopped corn
Now you can add the grains and reduce heat to maintain 160f for 45 minutes. Continuously stir the mash to avoid letting the grains scorch on the bottom of the pot.

Mix the mash

Now dump the cracked grains into a 30 gallon container and stir in 25 lbs. of sugar. When the sugar is dissolved completely add 15 to 20 gallons of cold water until the mash mix reaches 30 gallons by total volume.

Add the yeast

When the temperature of the mash drops down to the temperature recommended by the manufacturer of the yeast you can go ahead and add the yeast. I have found that 1 tablespoon of yeast per 5 gallons of mash works well.
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Re: sweetfeed whisky

Post by Pain Managnent » Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:26 pm

Been a good while and found some COB SF. The wash smelled good and tasted sweet. Ran it thru and I think I messed something up It started at 140 and I pulled the plug at 100 (may have been a mistake). Man this stuff just burns the nostrils and is harsh (toned a couple shots down to taste). I have another one cooking now for a comparison. Its a new setup with 3 good cleaning runs with some rolled copper in the tower just because I have it. I guess I could re-run it all.

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Re: sweetfeed whisky

Post by LunaDogFever707 » Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:52 pm

Ain't a professional here but when I first ran it I got similar results. Was a lot hotter abv for abv compared to ujssm I've made. Mixed the 2 of em, ujssm to sf 50/50, came out damn tasty

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Re: sweetfeed whisky

Post by Rorschach » Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:40 am

The "All Grain" at Tractor Supply has no pellets. $15 for 50lbs. That keeps the size of my sour mash going for a couple of months at least. Since this stuff is for animals it doesn't have the government controlled supply chain mandated ingredient label. So a lot of bags of sweet feed wont say it on the label.

But they usually say protein content. If the bag says over 8% protein, it surely has pellets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: sweetfeed whisky

Post by Sailman » Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:35 am

This is from a bag of producers Pride All Grain that I took at my local Tractor Supply.
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Re: sweetfeed whisky

Post by LunaDogFever707 » Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:35 pm

Spent a few hrs a day for a couple days, read the first 38 pages of this thread, didn't see any mention at all of mixing this recipe with Rad's all bran recipe. Also read his thread. Figured I'd try a bit of an experiment. Got me a few sacks of each that I get locally, a lot better than the tractor supply stuff I've been using the past couple months and about a mile away, a lot better than the hour n half round trip to and from TS.

25 LBS (half bag) of the sweet feed
25 LBS of flaked red wheat bran
1 bag of sugar (50 LBS)
2 cups of choco Malt O Meal for nutrients (flavor carry over?)
The chocolate kind is all I could find after going to 2 big box stores
5 gallons of backset from a ujssm run I did a while back and saved in my fridge
4 teaspoons of gypsum. Didn't have any more backset to lower my ph. My water is 8.8 ph and didn't have enough backset to lower the ph, so added the gypsum. I have 20 yards of gyp, so no problem there hahaha!
30 gallons of boiling water to dissolve my sugar and the molasses in the SF. Let it sit til the next day to cool down to about 68 then added an aquarium heater and got it to 80. Starting gravity, corrected for temperature, was 1.076. Added 3/4 pound of active bakers yeast.

Stirred it up with my drill and home-made stainless paddle bit for a bit, 10 minutes or so, then cleaned everything up and called it a day. A lot of people don't like opentop, some do, as far as I know anyway. I ferment open top, but I use a 50 micron screen over the top of my fermenter. Checked it yesterday and today, it's going so well it almost looks like it's boiling! Smelled and tasted sweet when I started, getting pretty dry/bitter tasting. Been about 4 days now. I'll update again tomorrow with at least one, possibly 2 pics. I know people like pictures lol

Happy Easter Sunday to all :)
The ferment has slowed quite a bit, most of the cap fell down. Now just a light foam on top. Gravity now is 1.026, but lots of particulate in my sample, so maybe lower than that? Will update when done fermenting and racked over to clear up more. Cheers!
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