Pintoshine's Fast Fermenting Molasses Wash

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Re: Pintoshine's Fast Fermenting Molasses Wash

Post by HookLine » Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:04 pm

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Re: Pintoshine's Fast Fermenting Molasses Wash

Post by scarecrow » Tue Aug 18, 2009 2:49 pm

Put this wash down on monday arvo.

Went like a gattling gun within the hour. Never seen anything like it. :D

Now, 48 hrs later it's down to one blip every 20 seconds. :(

Dayum, I hope this isn't a stuck wash.

The last one without any nutrients finished in 6 days.

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Re: Pintoshine's Fast Fermenting Molasses Wash

Post by kiwistiller » Tue Aug 18, 2009 2:58 pm

I expect it is probably getting close to done :D
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Re: Pintoshine's Fast Fermenting Molasses Wash

Post by scarecrow » Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:55 pm

kiwistiller wrote:I expect it is probably getting close to done :D
WOW :shock:

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Re: Pintoshine's Fast Fermenting Molasses Wash

Post by kiwistiller » Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:45 pm

well, they don't call it fast fermenting for nuthin :lol:
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Re: Pintoshine's Fast Fermenting Molasses Wash

Post by scarecrow » Wed Aug 19, 2009 4:29 am

This is really weird now. :shock:
Overnight the temp of the wash dropped to 20C (68F) and it stopped bubbling. I wrapped an old sleeping bag around it and by the end of the day it was 24C (75F) and bubbling it's tushie off.
Is there a minimum temperature for a wash?
I'm using fresh compressed yeast (Pinnacle Brand) and so far it has served me well.

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Re: Pintoshine's Fast Fermenting Molasses Wash

Post by rad14701 » Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:31 am

scarecrow wrote:Is there a minimum temperature for a wash?
Some yeasts are more temperature sensitive than others... The bakers yeast I use works best between 75F/24C - 85F/29.C, with 80F/27C - 85F/29C closer to optimum... Anything lower than 75F/24C and things slow down real fast... Every yeast is different, however... If the temperature there stays on the cool side you might have better luck with an ale yeast which likes 65F/18.C - 75F/24C temperatures... Or, if you're where it's really cold, lager yeasts like 45F/7C - 55F/13C... Some distillers yeasts have a wide temperature range...

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Re: Pintoshine's Fast Fermenting Molasses Wash

Post by ibfestus » Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:12 am

I am in a similar predicament. I put down the all black strap wash on 8/13 and it fermented like crazy for 36 hours than began to slow down and after 3 days it was still going but at a snails pace. I let it sit undisturbed until yesterday and I checked it again. It had cleared up and resembled black coffee in color. I couldn't detect any bubbles so I figured to strip it today. To my surprise this AM it was bubbling again albeit very slowly. I checked the SG and it reads 1.025, the proof & traille hydrometer reads less than 0, and the wash temp is 75F. The wash tastes just like BS molasses without the sweet taste. :?

Any thoughts from the masters? :?:

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Re: Pintoshine's Fast Fermenting Molasses Wash

Post by kiwistiller » Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:47 pm

the old molasses SG trap for young players :lol: :lol:

Because (blackstrap) molasses is only ~50% fermentable, the final gravity will be higher than normal. I normally finish at about 1.015 on a 1:2 molasses:sugar mix.
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Re: Pintoshine's Fast Fermenting Molasses Wash

Post by HookLine » Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:35 pm

I put down the all black strap wash on 8/13 and it fermented like crazy for 36 hours than began to slow down and after 3 days it was still going but at a snails pace. I let it sit undisturbed until yesterday and I checked it again. It had cleared up and resembled black coffee in color
Pretty much how my blackstraps run. Goes hard for a couple of days, then slows right down, and takes about 6 days all up to completely stop bubbling. If you want faster ferments, try a lower abv, about 6-7%.

Also, I rack twice, not once, and that adds at least another 2-3 days.
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Re: Pintoshine's Fast Fermenting Molasses Wash

Post by 0re0 » Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:28 pm

Started my first test run of this recipe
made a 6 gallons wash, here is my altered recipe
  • 96 oz of black strap molasses (3 quarts)
  • 3 Gallons water in fermenter
  • 1 Gallon on stove
  • 6 packs of Red Star Wine Yeast
  • 1 multivitamin
  • 5 Tsp DAP
The fermenter I added 3 Gallons of water and 3 quarts of black strap molasses.
The 1 Gallon on the stove I added the crushed multivitamin, 6 Tsp of DAP and 3 packs of Yeast.
I then poured the 1 Gallon from the stove into my fermenter with the water & molasses mixture.
I then topped the fermenter up to the 6 gallons that I calculated for.
After that I added the remaining packs of yeast.
Closed the lid and fit the airlock.
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Re: Pintoshine's Fast Fermenting Molasses Wash

Post by 0re0 » Thu Oct 28, 2010 2:49 am

Well its now been 5 hours since I started this fermentation and I'm not sure whether I should be happy or concerned.
It seems that I can't keep water in my damn bubbler. It keeps spitting all the water out, all over the guest bathroom floor
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Re: Pintoshine's Fast Fermenting Molasses Wash

Post by WalkingWolf » Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:26 am

Leave the water out of it for a couple of days then try putting the water back in. With that much CO2 coming out you probably should leave the lid cracked open for a day or so.

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Re: Pintoshine's Fast Fermenting Molasses Wash

Post by 0re0 » Fri Oct 29, 2010 6:52 pm

I finally used aobut 3 feet of hose, wound up a few times and zip tied.
It worked, no longer is the water shooting out. Its still going strong!
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Re: Pintoshine's Fast Fermenting Molasses Wash

Post by Popcorn Fan » Sat Oct 30, 2010 1:58 am

I pickup a 100 ltrs of mollases on Friday, I was wondering how I was going to get rid of it all looks like I'll be doing all mollases on the next couple of runs.

I just got 25 kg of bran today for bran washes as well my wife is going to kill me :oops:

If you buy in bulk here it can be a fifth of the price, I just can't help myself.

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Re: Pintoshine's Fast Fermenting Molasses Wash

Post by 0re0 » Sat Oct 30, 2010 5:40 pm

I bought my molasses from a retail store, so I was forced to buy several small containers.
I think the total for like 3 quarts of molasses from the store cost me $23
Next time I will buy in bulk during the day from the local feed & seed store.
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Re: Pintoshine's Fast Fermenting Molasses Wash

Post by 0re0 » Sun Oct 31, 2010 7:27 pm

Okay its fermented completely. Took a little longer than 36 hours for mine, but who really cares.
Just as long as it turns out right. Gonna fill tanks and start tomorrow, maybe
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Re: Pintoshine's Fast Fermenting Molasses Wash

Post by 0re0 » Sun Nov 21, 2010 9:49 am

After my initial run I was happy with the result.
With a 44" column, no packing, no insulation, no reflux. I pulled a final 172 proof from the spirit run.
I ran it lightly collecting 1.2 Liters , stopping at around 186 degrees and collecting in a low wines jar from there.
Flavor was decent, it had a little bite with a slight chocolate flavor in back of the throat.

After the run I got to mucking around with flavoring and screwed up the hooch so I doubled down, and man was I pleased!
After double distilling and running 12% reflux I got back about 1 liter, give or take. The chocolate flavor was gone but
the proof was upped to 192. I watered down to 150, aged with heavily charred hickory for 1 week. Final likker was 1.2 liters of smooth
& smokey goodness with front flavors similar to scotch. I did not measure proof after hickory was introduced.

Good for sipping
Too bad I didn't make enough. It's almost gone now.
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Re: Pintoshine's Fast Fermenting Molasses Wash

Post by lickermaker » Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:34 am

doesn't boiling kill the first cup of yeast?
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Re: Pintoshine's Fast Fermenting Molasses Wash

Post by WV Shine » Tue May 07, 2013 8:33 am

Yup, it is acting as nutrient for the live yeast added later :thumbup:

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Re: Pintoshine's Fast Fermenting Molasses Wash

Post by Fidget » Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:50 am

If scaling down from 20 gallons to around 20 litres (shall we say, 4 gallons) how much yeast would be needed for the boil pitch and the ferment pitch? Ball park in grams if anyone cares to speculate?

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Re: Pintoshine's Fast Fermenting Molasses Wash

Post by Tokoroa_Shiner » Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:54 am

Just divide the original recipe by 5
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Re: Pintoshine's Fast Fermenting Molasses Wash

Post by Fidget » Thu Nov 06, 2014 1:33 am

Tokoroa_Shiner wrote:Just divide the original recipe by 5
That's what ive done for all the other ingrediuents.


But if my "cup" is bigger or smaller than Pintosuine's cup, one fifth of half a cup could vary quite a lot opn the amount of yeast required....

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Re: Pintoshine's Fast Fermenting Molasses Wash

Post by Tokoroa_Shiner » Thu Nov 06, 2014 1:36 am

One cup is one cup. It's a defined measure. 250ml. So one fifth of half a cup is 125/5. 25ml, or 25g of yeast. About one heaped table spoon.
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Re: Pintoshine's Fast Fermenting Molasses Wash

Post by Fidget » Thu Nov 06, 2014 1:47 am

Tokoroa_Shiner wrote:One cup is one cup. It's a defined measure. 250ml. So one fifth of half a cup is 125/5. 25ml, or 25g of yeast. About one heaped table spoon.
Ah Ok> I'll add that to my growing internal knowledge.

The other reason I ask is because Ale Yeast is very expensive for 5g sachets, vs big tubs of whatever baking yeasts I could find on amazon.co.uk. I think the ale yeast will give better flavor - but if I need 5 sachets, suddenly the price of my ferment has gone up a bit :shock: :D

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Post by Tokoroa_Shiner » Thu Nov 06, 2014 2:42 am

If you want to use a good ale yeast. Look into making a starter
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Re: Pintoshine's Fast Fermenting Molasses Wash

Post by casper the Irish » Sun Nov 16, 2014 5:59 pm

I've searched the thread but maybe missed this: I thought vitamins are destroyed by heat, so how can they survive boiling? The minerals, yes.

I have 100kg of animal feed molasses I got free from a local importer. I'm on my third go at a molasses wash. 2litre with 4kg sugar in 25l water. Tried Pugi's and Buccaneer Bobs, now Pintoshines. Makes no difference. All three go fine at first,fizzes like coke without foaming. Sugar Brix reading starts at 15, ends in a few days Bx10

First problem is the acidity of the molasses is around pH3.9 so I clarified at 190degF and added milk of lime.

How should I neutralise? This time I threw in a 4oz tub precipitated chalk and some phosphate buffer salts. Still under pH5. Finally bought 25kg of lime...

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Re: Pintoshine's Fast Fermenting Molasses Wash

Post by T-Pee » Sun Nov 16, 2014 7:07 pm

casper the Irish wrote:I've searched the thread but maybe missed this: I thought vitamins are destroyed by heat, so how can they survive boiling? The minerals, yes.
I add the vitamins after cooling to 90 degrees. Avoids the whole issue.
How should I neutralise? This time I threw in a 4oz tub precipitated chalk and some phosphate buffer salts. Still under pH5. Finally bought 25kg of lime...
A number of us are using crushed oyster shell. It seems to buffer only as needed and you can't really use too much of it. It releases calcium as the wash gets acidic and remains neutral in a balanced pH.

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Re: Pintoshine's Fast Fermenting Molasses Wash

Post by casper the Irish » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:52 pm

Of course, TP... add the vitamins later. I added trub in there too. Surely enough nutrients, but still it won't ferment dry. Temp is constant 24degC day and night.

If only i could get some of those Clostridium microbes in there, maybe thats what it would take to ferment out fully? How do you get a dryer ferment, my fermented wash is Brix 6 to 10 usually...

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Re: Pintoshine's Fast Fermenting Molasses Wash

Post by T-Pee » Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:53 pm

Two B-complex, two multi-vitamins, 100 grams yeast hulls, 1 tsp Epsom, two tbsp crushed oyster shell and 50 grams rehydrated Red Star baker's yeast for a ten gallon ferment. Start temp 90 degrees f. SG of 1.080. Stir in vitamins just before closing up.

When it finishes below 1.002 it's pretty much ready. Haven't had one fail yet.

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