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Postby bentstick » Sat Jun 04, 2016 4:49 pm

I have been working on this concoction for a bit now is nothing special but makes a good sipping whiskey in white and is smooth and tasty almost straight out the pipe!

Oat,Wheat,Rye white sippin whiskey 35 gal ferments +-

1/3 Oats (not rolled) whole with huskes straight off the farm,not floured but milled to where is busted up in the husk = 25 lbs
1/3 Wheat = 25 lbs which 40% is malted = 15 lbs wheat/10 lbs malted wheat
1/3 Rye = 25 lbs Which 40% is malted = 15 lbs Rye/10 lbs malted Rye
My SG is usally between 1.050 and 1.058 after make up water is added,but honestly I dont much care I get what I get and as long as the end product is close to the same taste every run

Toss in fermenter minus the malts add 25 gals of boiling water and mix with moter mixer on a drill once down to 180 or so add High temp enyzmes mix off and on for how ever long it takes to get to 158-155 add gluco enzymes and the malt stir in and every now and again stir it up,after a few hrs I just lock it down in the fermenter and let set over night with blow off tube in water bucket, in the am once cooled a bit I add the remaining 10 gals of water to cool to pitch temp,add my yeast ( Prestige Whiskey yeast).

Have the first mash done with my steamer in the fermenter as I type this. If ya try thank you it would be nice to hear your thoughts,has only been a few try it and so far so good :thumbup:

Nothing new just my take on a good drop!

I will add I run my whiskey thru a 5 perf plate column
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Postby pfshine » Sat Jun 04, 2016 5:01 pm

All I've heard is rave reviews of this. Gonna do this as soon as I can.
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Postby Bing-Bot » Sat Jun 04, 2016 6:56 pm

I can give a RAVE review. This whiskey is something special. It is awesome. I think what I tasted was 2 weeks out the pipe. Damn fine drop!!!! Its on the do do list
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Postby Tater » Sat Jun 04, 2016 7:00 pm

Ive tried this.It is a very fine drink .Once I get some wheat and rye malt I will be doing this one . Should go to t and t. Fellas its that good.
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Postby bentstick » Sat Jun 04, 2016 7:57 pm

Thanks makes it worth it to know others enjoy it as much as I do,next meet there will be much more!
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Postby rgreen2002 » Sat Jun 04, 2016 7:58 pm

I have about 25 lb of oats sitting around and Ive been wondering what to do with it... this sounds like the goods!

Now... my oats are rolled. Is this still possible?
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Postby rad14701 » Sat Jun 04, 2016 8:15 pm

Very uniquely and optimized all grain mash... :thumbup:
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Postby bentstick » Sat Jun 04, 2016 9:00 pm

Do not see why rolled would not work,maybe abit more of a glue mess than the whole grain,but thats why they made Enzymes.

Will add the piggy back is "almost" as good.
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Postby thecroweater » Sat Jun 04, 2016 10:26 pm

Rolled oats makes a good whiskey but are a devil to mash
Not sure if you can tell from the photo how thick this porridge mash is and it only had a small percentage of rolled oats in it
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Postby Tater » Mon Jan 02, 2017 5:03 pm

Just finished this recipe short time ago. It came out as good as I remember bents .You ag guys should give this one a try. Those who use steam outfits will have easier time .But while filtering its a bitch its worth the time .(at least once :ebiggrin: )
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Postby rgreen2002 » Mon Jan 02, 2017 6:06 pm

What do the oats bring to the flavor? I have like 40 lb sitting around but since I kind of gave up on sweetfeed I have no use for them!
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Postby ShineonCrazyDiamond » Mon Jan 02, 2017 6:26 pm

rgreen2002 wrote:What do the oats bring to the flavor? I have like 40 lb sitting around but since I kind of gave up on sweetfeed I have no use for them!

Oats are awesome. I always use rolled, but they add mouthfeel and really round out a spirit.
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Postby midlife-u-turn » Mon Jan 02, 2017 9:16 pm

rgreen2002 wrote:What do the oats bring to the flavor? I have like 40 lb sitting around but since I kind of gave up on sweetfeed I have no use for them!

I've made a couple of batches of 100% oats using feed grade rolled oats. I run them through my barley mill a few times. I've made a number of all grain, single grain whiskeys and I think the oat is my favorite. I'm going to give this one a try, just need to get some rye.
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Postby bentstick » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:56 pm

Glad to hear it was a sucess Tater,I have some in the boiler ready to cook off this weekend,and have the piggyback a bubblin away! Cheers
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Re: Oat,Wheat,Rye Whiskey/whisky

Postby bentstick » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:09 pm

rgreen2002 wrote:What do the oats bring to the flavor? I have like 40 lb sitting around but since I kind of gave up on sweetfeed I have no use for them!


To me it adds a nice smoothness to the wheat and rye and a bit of sweet taste without the sharpness that wheat and tend give on their own!

Iam not one for deep and analytical descriptions rgreen,so others that have tried it may be able to help out with that part,I would like to add I am not real big into brown liqours as I was when I first started this hobby,so I was playing around looking for some whites to make that did not need 4-6-8 months up to 3 yrs to be smooth out.

The Oat,Wheat,and Rye just seemed to work!!
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Postby rgreen2002 » Tue Jan 03, 2017 4:44 pm

Bent...
Had to go back to see that you are keeping this white. That's interesting! I have about 40 lb of oat laying around from the sweetfeed days (never really go into it.... ) but maybe I can repurpose it.

Now... if that 40 gallons of corn/wheat/rye would get out of my fermenter... :mrgreen:
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Postby bentstick » Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:07 pm

rgreen2002 wrote:Bent...
Had to go back to see that you are keeping this white. That's interesting! I have about 40 lb of oat laying around from the sweetfeed days (never really go into it.... ) but maybe I can repurpose it.

Now... if that 40 gallons of corn/wheat/rye would get out of my fermenter... :mrgreen:



Is why I had the grains here also,not a sweetfeed fan,not sayin its bad,but not my taste!
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Postby Hank Reardon » Wed Feb 22, 2017 9:03 pm

This past weekend, I ran this recipe for the first time. It will not be my last. :)

It smelled great while mashing, it smelled better when it was fermenting, and it was very good while coming out of the condensor. I have a couple of quarts on oak, and will give them 3-6 months until I try it again. I am looking forward to that day...August 19. It is worth it for folks to spend the time necessary to make this great recipe. Thanks for posting it for all of us.
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Postby bentstick » Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:44 pm

Glad you like it Hank, it is stable here now!
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Re: Oat,Wheat,Rye Whiskey/whisky

Postby joeymac » Sat Mar 18, 2017 2:53 pm

Would there be any problem just using 25LB each of malted wheat, malted oats and malted rye and skipping the enzyme conversions step (because all of the grains are already malted)? Just add the malted grains to the water @158F, wrap it up and let it go over night. Add your water to hit your target volume and temperature in the morning and pitch yeast.

I'm not sure I see the advantage of converting your own grains when you're already using some pre-malted grains. Why not 100% malted grains. I'm not criticizing... I'm just curious and trying to understand the choices behind AG liquor making.
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Re: Oat,Wheat,Rye Whiskey/whisky

Postby yakattack » Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:12 pm

The difference in taste between say malted wheat and unmalted wheat is huge. Malt grains and unmalted grains add different flavors to the mash.

You can do it all malt if you want. Just won't taste the same. Not saying it would be bad though just different.

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Re: Oat,Wheat,Rye Whiskey/whisky

Postby bentstick » Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:48 pm

joeymac wrote:Would there be any problem just using 25LB each of malted wheat, malted oats and malted rye and skipping the enzyme conversions step (because all of the grains are already malted)? Just add the malted grains to the water @158F, wrap it up and let it go over night. Add your water to hit your target volume and temperature in the morning and pitch yeast.

I'm not sure I see the advantage of converting your own grains when you're already using some pre-malted grains. Why not 100% malted grains. I'm not criticizing... I'm just curious and trying to understand the choices behind AG liquor making.



No dont see any issue with all malted grains, but I do not have the room for malting my own grains, yes I know they dont take much space but space it tight considering I have well over 2 ton of fermentables in raw form stored, and I did try adding more malts to the mix but kept reducing them until the min of the malt was taking over taste, it was a trial and error I wanted all the grains to be there in the final flavor. Not against just using malts for conversion either,but I like to use enzymes for the xtra failure control, just what I do Cheers hope you try this and add your own touches Cheers
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Postby joeymac » Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:16 am

one more question about the Oats. I used to do alot of rolled oat in beer brewing and even then it was just a few pounds here or there. I see 15LB of Oats and 10LB of Malted oats and get a little worried... especially since there's also another 50LB of other grains taking up space .

You don't have a problem with the whole mixture turning into oatmeal/porridge?
Does the cracked/busted oats make that much of a difference over regular rolled oats?

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Also, speaking of messy grains, I remember from my brewing days that the grain still holds quite a bit of the water after sparging that you can't get out. I never did anything as big as a 75LB total grain bill... but I would imagine you'd have to lose around 10 gallons of wash soaked into the grains (unless you distilled off the grain).

For those of you who do this 35 gallon wash with a full grain bill, how much liquid are you actually racking off into the boiler?
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Postby nerdybrewer » Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:47 am

Someone once said "who was it that looked at a big ole pot of porridge and thought he could make whisky out of it?".
Porridge is just one phase, it goes through several phases until it's in your glass with maybe an ice cube or two.
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Postby bentstick » Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:26 pm

Jmac yes it does hold water/ferment I was at one time bucketing into paint strainers and tie them to the edge of the barrel and just keep twisting,let set for a bit,twist let set,out of 35 gal ferment return was 30 gal!


I have now ordered 2 30 gal biab bags,and have a electric hoist in the floor joists to do the heavy lifting of total grain bag.

Yes it is a thick mess for sure but with the enzymes and malts seems not to be such a pain and gooey when added at the right times. Malts can go in as sacrificial,or wait until cook is done add the HTL enzyme and TADA goes thinner again. Thought this got thick until I did 50 lbs of rice, it get thick and stubborn.

No one including me sez it is easy or a cake walk, it just makes a fine drop when done!

No malted oats,is just whole grain oats run through a roller mill. I have Never used rolled oats,I have access to whole grains,may come a day when I will have to go buy rolled oats but as of yet no need.
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Postby rgreen2002 » Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:02 pm

bentstick wrote:...I have now ordered 2 30 gal biab bags,and have a electric hoist in the floor joists to do the heavy lifting of total grain bag...


I'm with you bent.... I have a BIAB bag that will hold a few hundred pounds and I have a deer hoist I use. I ferment on grain and then let it drip dry for a day or so... The last ferment was 100# of grain in about 40 gallons H2O... that was some heavy stuff!!! The electric hoist at HF is looking better every time. :mrgreen:
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Postby bentstick » Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:41 pm

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Postby WIski » Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:39 pm

Joe Wrote;
For those of you who do this 35 gallon wash with a full grain bill, how much liquid are you actually racking off into the boiler?


45# Grain
23 GL Water
Squeeze out 18 GL to settle
15 GL clear liquid to boiler
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Re: Oat,Wheat,Rye Whiskey/whisky

Postby joeymac » Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:09 pm

Thanks for the info.

5 gallons lost on a 75# grain bill is really really good.
Not sure I'm ready for an electric hoist though... I'm only running a keg boiler.

Maybe something like a 5 gallon fruit press lined with brew bag mesh. If this thing can juice APPLES, it can sure as heck squeeze out wash soaked grain. Just scoop the grain out of the fermenter into the press and start spinning. You can press the juice into a secondary with the other free flowing mash to let it all settle out before racking it into your boiler. It might need refilled 4 or 5 times but even that seems like it would be efficient, easy and tidy compared to squeezing giant brew bags on electric hoists. Any reason that wouldn't work? They're only about $75-$150 for good ones.

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Joe Wrote;
For those of you who do this 35 gallon wash with a full grain bill, how much liquid are you actually racking off into the boiler?


45# Grain
23 GL Water
Squeeze out 18 GL to settle
15 GL clear liquid to boiler
YMMV

That's about on par with most homebrew guidelines (0.1-0.2 gal per pound grain). For 45# grain bill in beer, you'd expect 5-9 gallons lost if squeezing by hand.
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