uncle jesse's simple sour mash method

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Re: uncle jesse's simple sour mash method

Post by JamesH » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:15 am

6 Row Joe wrote:
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I have never left it on oak longer than a year. I can't stop sampling it once it starts to get good. 5 liters doesn't last long enough. LOL
Depending on which chart you look at, a year in a 5 liter oak barrel is equivalent to about 3 1/2 years in a full sized barrel.
Do you happen to have a link to a chart on aging? Thanks

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Re: uncle jesse's simple sour mash method

Post by still_stirrin » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:56 am

JamesH wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:15 am
6 Row Joe wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:59 am
I have never left it on oak longer than a year. I can't stop sampling it once it starts to get good. 5 liters doesn't last long enough. LOL
Depending on which chart you look at, a year in a 5 liter oak barrel is equivalent to about 3 1/2 years in a full sized barrel.
Do you happen to have a link to a chart on aging? Thanks
For starters:
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https://www.oakbarrelsltd.com/Articles.asp?ID=266
https://redheadoakbarrels.com/why-do-sm ... or-faster/

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Post by DetroitDIY » Thu Mar 26, 2020 7:08 pm

Well, I did some blending and side by side sampling: Glass of White, Glass of 2/3 White & 1/3 Brown, Glass of 1/3 White & 2/3 Brown, Glass of Brown. The three of us trying it (including me) all preferred the 18 month aged brown. It's possible I could have taken tighter cuts on the new white, but I think I'll keep the aging process. Go figure.

That said, I like your solution (pun not intended) NZChris. Make my barrel into a pseudo-solara and just keep pulling out of the barrel to make room for the new make.

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Post by NZChris » Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:40 pm

Another trick I've seen, is making a long wooden bung to add some new oak once the barrel has had a lot of product through it. You can experiment with different woods too.

I usually make two cuts from a UJSSM spirit run. Wide for oaking and narrow for White Dog. My White Dog disappears faster than the oaked, so I've been leaving more white every time I do a run. It's been over two years since I made any, but I see I have enough white 2015 & 2017 to keep me going for a wee while. God knows what's on oak in the cellar. We're in CV-19 lock down here and I'm spending a bit of time tidying up the shed, so I might find something interesting.

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Post by Saltbush Bill » Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:24 pm

DetroitDIY wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 7:08 pm
Make my barrel into a pseudo-solara and just keep pulling out of the barrel to make room for the new make.
That's the way to do it :thumbup:

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Post by Uncle Jesse » Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:29 pm

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First of all my hats off to uncle Jesse. I am a 3rd gen Stiller and this recipe is almost to the letter of my family recipe . We have been making it in the Appalachian mountains for hundreds of years . Personally I run it with a 30 gallon all copper pot with a dubler and it's a beautiful drink when done proper . This method is spot on to the the history makers of old . If you truly know your still you cant get a better drink... thank you uncle Jesse.
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Post by GreenEnvy22 » Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:13 pm

About 5-6 weeks ago I did a run of Nchooch's bourbon, I kept the backset, about 4 gallons, in the fridge in a carboy under airlock.
Any concerns about using this to start my OJSSM ?

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Post by Saltbush Bill » Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:54 pm

I dont see a problem using it to begin with.

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Post by IMALOSERSCUMBAG » Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:25 am

I have been turning my 2 gallon mash every 3-5 days now. Last night I ran my 4th generation putting 25% of the backset into the next mash. This is working fine since I'm currently using a Mr. Distiller. With my new still nearly complete I'm looking to pump my numbers up. Likely going to move to a 8 gallon mash for increased output. I'm getting some tasty drink and want to keep this thing going.

The plan is to run every 3-4 days. What happens if I let things sit for 7+ days? Does the mash go bad or will I be fine if I am not able to get to run things every 3-4 days?

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Post by Windswept » Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:50 am

I can only really run my still on the weekends right now, so I've been letting them sit from sunday to saturday with no ill effects. Even longer than that in a couple cases. You might lose some of the flavour, but I'm still finding it quite tasty.
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Post by HomerD » Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:08 am

It should be fine as long as you keep it closed. It will build up a layer of gass on top that will preserve it.
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Post by Saltbush Bill » Fri Apr 24, 2020 12:07 pm

Try to keep it airtight or keep an airlocked lid on it and you can keep it for months.

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Post by DetroitDIY » Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:30 pm

Yep, I've gone months after fermenting a large batch before distilling it with success, just use an airlock as other suggest. And I've used backset that was stored on old corn for 18 months. It worked, though I suspect a healthy sustained sour mash is better...

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Re: uncle jesse's simple sour mash method

Post by IMALOSERSCUMBAG » Sat Apr 25, 2020 7:33 pm

Thanks guys. I do keep wit lids and air locks. I hate to throw anything out as I can taste a difference. Im a numbers guy so I want to verify everything sith data but also make my decisions based on taste. Iove the taste of what I'm getting now.

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Post by SGB » Sat May 02, 2020 12:01 am

I was wondering about cracked corn size, at the feed shop I noticed they have 3 kinds regular large cracked corn, then a medium size and finally a small cracked corn almost like corn meal .
So far I've been using the regular first one as it was what I started with and it seemed OK except not really much ever floated to the top. Also I washed the cracked corn and soaked it in hot water before mixing. So far everything has been good but being I'm totally new at this I don't really have had time to gauge it against. Just want to make sure I'm doing this right so I can keep doing it right. Here are pics of the available cracked corn feed, in your opinion, which size do you prefer?

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Re: uncle jesse's simple sour mash method

Post by NZChris » Sat May 02, 2020 12:07 am

The method does not say to soak it in hot water before mixing.

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Post by Saltbush Bill » Sat May 02, 2020 1:39 am

I grind mine to the size of the smallest you have in the photos or smaller.

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Post by DetroitDIY » Sat May 02, 2020 4:02 am

Yes, don't pre-cook the corn for UJSM. I used a grind like your regular, but haven't tried finer grinds with this recipe. For all grain mashing recipes, I grind the corn to finer than your fine (different functions for the corn in different recipes).

It'll all work out, follow the recipe and you'll be alright.

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Re: uncle jesse's simple sour mash method

Post by SGB » Sat May 02, 2020 6:05 am

OK ,thank you for your input. No pre soak in warm water. You guys wash or rinse the corn or just chuck it all in dry? Because I noticed that when you rinse and wash the corn a lot of starch water is washed away (same as when you wash rice before cooking)

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Re: uncle jesse's simple sour mash method

Post by DetroitDIY » Sat May 02, 2020 7:37 am

Just chuck it all in.

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Post by Tlcopeland » Sat May 02, 2020 7:51 am

And you don't want the starch washed away because that is what you are trying to convert to sugar so you can ferment the sugar into alcohol.

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Post by Tummydoc » Sat May 02, 2020 8:53 am

Tlcopeland wrote:And you don't want the starch washed away because that is what you are trying to convert to sugar so you can ferment the sugar into alcohol.
You arent converting starch if you dont add malted grain or enzymes. There's no mashing, this is a wash recipe. The corn is for flavor. But you dump it all in because it's easy and no benefit of prewashing.

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Re: uncle jesse's simple sour mash method

Post by rolling » Sat May 02, 2020 10:01 am

What's the best way to drink UJSSM white?
I drink it straight up on ice; if you're a straight alcohol drinker it's great! For those who don't drink it straight, what's the best recipe you've found? My wife, son, daughter, friends, etc. all want to mix. I've never been one for mixed drinks, so am at a loss where to start. If this has been discussed somewhere in these 140 pages, forgive me, I tried looking but came up short.

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Re: uncle jesse's simple sour mash method

Post by Kegster » Sat May 02, 2020 1:32 pm

What a privilege having access to Tried and True information! Rarer than hens teeth. When you seen one of those lately?
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Re: uncle jesse's simple sour mash method

Post by rolling » Sat May 02, 2020 3:26 pm

Well, I kept digging and I found this:
viewtopic.php?f=47&t=59016
Anyone have anything?

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Post by DetroitDIY » Sat May 02, 2020 8:53 pm

Hey Rolling, I don't drink it white, but I'll do unaged rum with coke and lime, and I'll do aged UJSM with coke and lime, and either one his the spot for me. Fresh lime (not from a bottle), and I like a whole juicy lime squeezed in... lot's of juice.

Recently made a new run of UJSM. I lined up 4 glasses: fresh white, 18 months aged, and two blends in between. The consensus was for aged in my household. Just make a bunch and you'll get some aged stocked up in no time.

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Re: uncle jesse's simple sour mash method

Post by SGB » Sun May 03, 2020 1:35 am

Tummydoc wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 8:53 am
Tlcopeland wrote:And you don't want the starch washed away because that is what you are trying to convert to sugar so you can ferment the sugar into alcohol.
You arent converting starch if you dont add malted grain or enzymes. There's no mashing, this is a wash recipe. The corn is for flavor. But you dump it all in because it's easy and no benefit of prewashing.
Thank you for the info everyone.
But on a side note... Over here.. I'd recommend you prewash everything ...I dare not just dump it, with all the rat shit and bat shit and god knows what else is crawling around in those sacks of feed.

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Re: uncle jesse's simple sour mash method

Post by NZChris » Sun May 03, 2020 2:37 am

The alcohol will kill any bugs in it. Just chuck it in the can and get fermenting.

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Post by SGB » Mon May 04, 2020 4:08 am

NZChris wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 2:37 am
The alcohol will kill any bugs in it. Just chuck it in the can and get fermenting.

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Re: uncle jesse's simple sour mash method

Post by Saltbush Bill » Mon May 04, 2020 4:17 am

SGB wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 1:35 am
I dare not just dump it, with all the rat shit and bat shit
Some good yeast nutrients right there :)

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