heads and tails

[guest5234]

I have a gallon of heads and tails from a spirit run should i put it into the next stripping run or spirit run?

[ShineonCrazyDiamond]

Spirit run. You already did the work to get it out of the wash, why would you want to do it again?

[guest5234]

thought as much, some have said back in the stripping run but thought it was a waste of time.

[floppy]

I save my strips until I can half fill my still then top it up with wash I seem to like the flavor better


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[ShineonCrazyDiamond]

I save my strips until I can half fill my still then top it up with wash I seem to like the flavor better

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That's considered a 1.5 run. They are great for flavor! But when you get done with that run, and make your cuts, everything else, fients, is what he is asking about.

[Truckinbutch]

I collected 54 half pints of an all feints run for S3 16 for a blending seminar . 2 half gallons and 1 quart went on oak that day . At 4 months the halfs are showing promise . The quart tastes over oaked . I'll be taking some of that to S3 17 .

[SilverBullet]

Spirit run. You already did the work to get it out of the wash, why would you want to do it again?

I'd say to clean it up again while it filters in the new wash.

[guest5234]

Spirit run. You already did the work to get it out of the wash, why would you want to do it again?

I'd say to clean it up again while it filters in the new wash.

so you would put it in the new strip run.

[still_stirrin]

I recommend collecting enough feints (the heads & tails from previous spirit runs) and making a reflux spirit run with them (alone).

Once I've separated feints from product, I don't like to mix them back into low wines. If I did, it would increase the heads and tails in the low wines and I'd just have to separate the feints again.

Granted, there may be a little "recoverable" spirit in the mixture. But the addition of all the feints would narrow the hearts take relative to the heads and tails.

To me, it's wise to keep the feints separate, collecting for an all-feints run, and then collect what "recovered" hearts I can.
ss

p.s.-This is exactly what SCD suggested in his first reply...just elaborated slightly.

[ShineonCrazyDiamond]

Spirit run. You already did the work to get it out of the wash, why would you want to do it again?

I'd say to clean it up again while it filters in the new wash.

I understand the thought, but if you aren't cutting out any fractions, it ain't getting cleaned up. You're just diluting and re-concentrating. You save up your strips, add some wash to dilute it, and then rerun it. But you would be doing a spirit run then.

Our you can save all your fients and do a special spirit run on just those. Those are great treats. Clean, but still flavorful.

Edit: Posted same time as SS

[SilverBullet]

Spirit run. You already did the work to get it out of the wash, why would you want to do it again?

I'd say to clean it up again while it filters in the new wash.

so you would put it in the new strip run.

No, I was saying to add it to a new wash before stripping it. Just my thought to have it cleaned up twice instead of the once over. Go with what they say though

[NZChris]

No, I was saying to add it to a new wash before stripping it. Just my thought to have it cleaned up twice instead of the once over. Go with what they say though

That doesn't clean anything. All it does is put your discarded crap into your nice fresh wash. I tried it three times with rum, then stopped because the heart cut was getting smaller with each generation. I get a far better result by saving the feints for an all feints run with some added fresh wash.

[Saltbush Bill]

+1 on whats being said above, that doesn't make anything cleaner unless cuts are made before adding back to the wash.

[Lyonsie]

Taste is everything. Do whatever makes you happy

[Odin]

Dilute them with water to 17% or less. Now, heads will sink to the bottom, and tails will float on top, leaving you with quite some good, re-usable ethanol with great taste. Syphon of that the middle 50%. Make sure not to disturb the hydro-separated heads and tails. Add these "feints" to your next stripping run.

Regards, Odin.

[SilverBullet]

Important to know this, thanks guys. Sorry for my misleading idea on this subject

[NZChris]

I don't know if you have ever had a result from using that theory Oden but, when I tested a 5l demijohn worth over several months, nothing happened.

[Odin]

On pot distilled heads and tails it works. It may take a few runs and cycles though before it shows up.

Regards, Odin.

[NZChris]

On pot distilled heads and tails it works. It may take a few runs and cycles though before it shows up.

Regards, Odin.

My test was on pot stilled, (not that I can think of any physical laws that would make a difference). Please explain what you mean by more "runs and cycles", so that I can try that.

Cheers
Chris

[Odin]

The more heads and tails you collect, and hydroseparate, the more compact they will come out of solution. If you have enough, you'll see the heads at the bottom, forming a hazy, cloudy mess. The tails float on top and start to look like a gasoline film on top of water. Just use the same hydroseparation vessel over and over again ...

Odin.

[NZChris]

Have you got any photos? Mine remained uniformly cloudy with no sign of any separation except for the original oil slick. The abvs top, middle and bottom were the same. It appeared that, if any hydro-separation was going to happen, it wasn't going to happen in a useful time frame for someone my age.

[Odin]

No pics, I am afraid. When I will be making some new likker (probably only in a few months time) I will show you.

Regards, Odin.

[Bagasso]

The more heads and tails you collect, and hydroseparate, the more compact they will come out of solution. If you have enough, you'll see the heads at the bottom, forming a hazy, cloudy mess. The tails float on top and start to look like a gasoline film on top of water.

Hi Odin,
do you think the same thing happens in the wash?

I mean using the same vessel for hydroseparation with low wines until it can bee seen with the naked eye might have its "cool" visual value but I'm thinking that a 10%ABV wash might be separating even if it can't be seen so, if hydroseparation is real, wouldn't it make sense to separate and treat each layer differently or even cut and toss the top and/or bottom?

For example, if you had a conical fermentor, say 20l, with a valve at the bottom, would it help to take the first 4l in one container, the center portion (12l?) in another and the last 4l in yet another?

[Odin]

Now that's a very interesting thought ...

Regards, Odin.

[rager]

Spirit run. You already did the work to get it out of the wash, why would you want to do it again?

this is exactly why i make a fores and small heads cut even on stripping runs





when i get home im going to have to look at 3 or 4 carboys of fients again. all from pot still likker. im pretty tight on my cuts. im curious to see if i can see any seperation . the tails floating on top makes sense. being able to "see" the heads at the bottom , im not to sure of . again ive never looked all that hard . 15 gallons of AG and 5 gallons of who the hell knows what feints.

[ShineonCrazyDiamond]

No pics, I am afraid. When I will be making some new likker (probably only in a few months time) I will show you.

Regards, Odin.

I'm not here to support or refute any claims here. I am just posting this because I had been running so far into fients that they were averaging less than 20%. And they had been sitting in a chilled environment, in a glass carboy. Was passing by and saw this. Take it however you want.

[rager]

No pics, I am afraid. When I will be making some new likker (probably only in a few months time) I will show you.

Regards, Odin.

I'm not here to support or refute any claims here. I am just posting this because I had been running so far into fients that they were averaging less than 20%. And they had been sitting in a chilled environment, in a glass carboy. Was passing by and saw this. Take it however you want.

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those look like cloudy tails at the bottom.......

[NZChris]

If you add various proofs to a jar without mixing them, they can settle in layers and not mix for months. The test I did for hydroseparation, I thoroughly mixed the feints to make sure I couldn't get a faulty result from uneven mixing.

If hydroseparation works, take it to the next level and separate it with a centrifuge.
Good luck with that.

[Deerhunter]

Mine look the same way....Lots of flavor in there.

[Bagasso]

Was passing by and saw this. Take it however you want.

That is what my low wines look like when I pH treat. Sometimes it is white, sometimes a bit blue.