star san and sugar wash ?
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star san and sugar wash ?
I need a little clarification I have Star San sanitizer I have read on several places to ignore the foam but where I have read this they always reference beer .
I'm not making beer .
I'm wanting to make a sugar wash, is Star San foam safe to ignore when making a sugar wash or is this something I should rinse out
I'm not making beer .
I'm wanting to make a sugar wash, is Star San foam safe to ignore when making a sugar wash or is this something I should rinse out
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I have never used any type of Sanitation other than if I was using a container for a ferment, and I was worried about any type of contamination because of what that container was used as previously.
I would spray bleach in and then rinse out with water. Even new containers and used barrels I would just spray with bleach and rinse out then let dry then fill with whatever I was fermenting.
I have used lots of different ferment vessels with really minimal sanitization IE regular soap and water.
I think a lot of people worry way too much about sanitization when it is really not that big of a deal if you pitch enough yeast and have enough food for the yeast to run with it.
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I would spray bleach in and then rinse out with water. Even new containers and used barrels I would just spray with bleach and rinse out then let dry then fill with whatever I was fermenting.
I have used lots of different ferment vessels with really minimal sanitization IE regular soap and water.
I think a lot of people worry way too much about sanitization when it is really not that big of a deal if you pitch enough yeast and have enough food for the yeast to run with it.
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Ditch the slimy stuff, if scrub stuff down with soap and water, rinse really good, and sterilize it with a 3% mix of citric acid and water. Good to go!!!
Beer, wine, cider and other stuff is a whole different story. But I have to agree that people way over think sanitation, brewing and fermenting survived the dark ages.
Beer, wine, cider and other stuff is a whole different story. But I have to agree that people way over think sanitation, brewing and fermenting survived the dark ages.
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Desvio wrote:brewing and fermenting survived the dark ages.
Awesome point!!!!!!!
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Somewhere in the last few weeks was a post about any StarSan residue resulting in cloudy likker . I don't know .
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TB, have you got a reference? Star-San is primarily phosphoric acid, which I use to reduce the ph if I'm making a sweet mash and the ph is too high. Backset isn't an option in a sweet mash. Haven't seen that problem myself with phosphoric acid.Truckinbutch wrote:Somewhere in the last few weeks was a post about any StarSan residue resulting in cloudy likker . I don't know .
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Yeah, but have you ever tasted some of that dark ages sh*t?Desvio wrote: But I have to agree that people way over think sanitation, brewing and fermenting survived the dark ages.
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Sorry . I don't bookmark these things . Just remember . HDNB or Bushman might have been the author of the post . Don't accuse them on my account . Just a vague memory for me .RedwoodHillBilly wrote:TB, have you got a reference? Star-San is primarily phosphoric acid, which I use to reduce the ph if I'm making a sweet mash and the ph is too high. Backset isn't an option in a sweet mash. Haven't seen that problem myself with phosphoric acid.Truckinbutch wrote:Somewhere in the last few weeks was a post about any StarSan residue resulting in cloudy likker . I don't know .
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I drank some of my Great Uncle Roy's shine . Does that count ?cuginosgrizzo wrote:Yeah, but have you ever tasted some of that dark ages sh*t?Desvio wrote: But I have to agree that people way over think sanitation, brewing and fermenting survived the dark ages.
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He's the one that found the fresh drowned hog in the mash vat and salvaged the hog and the likker .
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cuginosgrizzo wrote:Yeah, but have you ever tasted some of that dark ages sh*t?Desvio wrote: But I have to agree that people way over think sanitation, brewing and fermenting survived the dark ages.
Please tell us how it tasted!!!
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well....if I recall correctly (a long time went by since then) exactly like sh*t would taste after you ate too much spoiled yogurth. Just a little more alcoholic.Worm_Drippinz wrote:cuginosgrizzo wrote:Yeah, but have you ever tasted some of that dark ages sh*t?Desvio wrote: But I have to agree that people way over think sanitation, brewing and fermenting survived the dark ages.
Please tell us how it tasted!!!
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(Please dont get mad people... we are joking around.)
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HAHAHA, probably similar to what I made back in high school...cuginosgrizzo wrote:Yeah, but have you ever tasted some of that dark ages sh*t?Desvio wrote: But I have to agree that people way over think sanitation, brewing and fermenting survived the dark ages.
Oh god those hangovers were bad..
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so i take it that you guys are saying the foam is a bad thing and not to use star san when making a spirit .
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Star San is fine. Awesome even, don't worry about the residue but do drain the container. Beer, Wine, Cider, Sugarhead or anything else you want to taste like intended. Enjoy.
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Use it all the time for a final rinse of my fermenters, hoses, and pumps. Brewers will store hoses full of sanitizer and dump it as they transfer beer. As mentioned above its simply a weak acid.
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I wash, rinse with water then spray starsan on it and let air dry. That’s everything, ferment buckets, still parts, everything.
As said, it’s acid and kills stuff, never had any mold on anything after spraying with starsan.
As said, it’s acid and kills stuff, never had any mold on anything after spraying with starsan.
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1st hand experience here, dont fear the foam for sugar washes. I often dont bother sanitizing for whiskies and rums because bugs tasye good and add complexity. But the cleaner a sugar wash, the cleaner the neutral, so I like to go all out sanitary for sugar washes. Never seen any defects, particularly cloudy neutral (?) From starsan.
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Citric acid is not a sterilizing agent.Desvio wrote:Ditch the slimy stuff, if scrub stuff down with soap and water, rinse really good, and sterilize it with a 3% mix of citric acid and water. Good to go!!!
Beer, wine, cider and other stuff is a whole different story. But I have to agree that people way over think sanitation, brewing and fermenting survived the dark ages.
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Re: star san and sugar wash ?
Been distilling for a while now...never have used soap or any other fancy stuff to sterilize things....never really had any problems with infections and such. Bit of real hot water is about as good as it gets.
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In my fermenters anything stuck in there gets soaked in water with some baking soda for about 10 mins. A soft bristle brush then easily knocks it off, then a power wash. No problems. It's a good idea to choose fermenters without any little nooks and crevices that can trap bacteria. And don't use anything to scrub them out that could scratch or score them up. A little star san never hurt anyone either.
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