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Postby billy_bob_95 » Thu Jan 29, 2009 7:31 am

Put this wash together last night. It's bubbling away right now. Took a while for it to start working. Pitched the yeast last night around 2:00 am and it was working at 9:00 am. I got the recipe from the Colonels website. Seems like something is missing from this wash. Perhaps nutrients for the yeast. Is there useful nutrients in the sweet feed for the yeast to use? Do I need to add something like DAP, tomato paste, multivitiam? Whacta fellers think?

SWEET FEED MOONSHINE
5 gallon bucket of sweet feed
(Sweet feed has several different grains and molasses making it a great tasting whiskey.)
1package of yeast (using distillers yeast will increase quality and quantity) I pitched 1/2 cup of Bakers Yeast
Put enough feed to cover bottom of 5 gallon bucket a good 4 inches deep
Add 5 pounds of sugar.
Fill 1/2 full with boiling water.
Mix until sugar is dissolved.
Let it set for 90 minutes and then finish filling with cool water.
Add the yeast after it has cooled to the recommended temperature on the yeast label.
Cover
4-5 days later it's ready to run
This is an old-timer recipe and works quite well.
My liquor is always 150-180 proof.
I don't recommend this for pot stills unless you filter it by pouring it through a pillow case into a 5 gallon bucket after it has finished fermenting. Otherwise the meal will settle and burn in the bottom of your still. Some folks leave the solids in the pillow case and tie it off where it will not touch the bottom of the still.
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Re: Sweet Feed Wash

Postby Dnderhead » Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:08 am

yes that is old rescipe and no you should not nead any nutreants (grain,molasses has what is neaded) but with out cooking and enzymes/malt you are making
somthing like UJSM . Iv also found that not all the grain is crushed.
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Re: Sweet Feed Wash

Postby punkin » Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:44 am

If you use the ujsm method of adding backset, sugar and water to the grains in the bottom of your fermenter for a few generations (8 or 10) you'll have a superior product cheaper and no wastage.

Distillers yeast is best for this method.
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Re: Sweet Feed Wash

Postby billy_bob_95 » Thu Jan 29, 2009 2:04 pm

I might give that a try Punkin if I like the product this wash produces. Up till now I've only tried WPOSW and Birdwatchers.
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Re: Sweet Feed Wash

Postby billy_bob_95 » Thu Jan 29, 2009 4:44 pm

Got some of this yeast haven't tried it yet. http://homebrewheaven.com/super-start-- ... t--1lb.htm
Used this yeast with WPOSW http://www.milehidistilling.com/Distill ... /13040.htm
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Re: Sweet Feed Wash

Postby billy_bob_95 » Sat Jan 31, 2009 4:03 pm

Should this wash be stirred after it has started fermenting? Are should I just let it alone? Stirred it really good before I put the lid on it.
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Re: Sweet Feed Wash

Postby Hawke » Sun Feb 01, 2009 4:26 am

Some stir, some don't. I prefer to leave it go. Less chance of getting an infected ferment.
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Re: Sweet Feed Wash

Postby billy_bob_95 » Fri Feb 06, 2009 1:31 pm

I have two of these washes that are about done. I'm looking to try and reuse the yeast and the sweet feed left in the bottom of the fermenter. Here is the method I have in mind for reusing it.

Rack off the liquid portion
Replace half the old sweet feed with new
Add more sugar

In order for this to I would have to add the boiling water with dissovled sugar to the new sweet feed in a seprate bucket and allow it to cool before mixing the old with new. Because if I add the boiling water to the bucket that has the old sweet feed and yeast in it the yeast will be killed off.

Am I going about this in the right way are not?
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Re: Sweet Feed Wash

Postby Samogon » Fri Feb 06, 2009 2:29 pm

I would treat it like a UJSM and dissolve the new sugar in a gallon or so of hot backset (what's left in the still after running the previous batch) and adding that back to the bucket when cool. If you add cool water first (and you should add it right after you take out the wash so the grain and yeast doesn't dry out while you are running the still), the backset can be warmer when added. If this isn't clear try reading http://wiki.homedistiller.org/Uncle_Jesse%27s_Simple_Sour_Mash_Method
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Re: Sweet Feed Wash

Postby billy_bob_95 » Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:59 pm

Drained the wash off the grain today. Covered grain and yeast back with water. Dissolved about 7 to 8 lb of sugar in 1 1/4 gallons of backset from the boiler. Added the mixture to the bucket once it cooled enough and added enough fresh spring water to make 5 gallon. Stirred everything up. Dipped the grain out that was floating on the top and replaced it with fresh. Covered it up and put the airlock in. Bam! It started bubbling in about 30 mins. I still can't believe I got it to work on the first try. This method sure cuts down on cost! Only had the cost of sugar and a little bit of sweet feed. I'm easily exicited and amused can you tell!
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Re: Sweet Feed Wash

Postby trthskr4 » Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:23 pm

Most women would say that most men are easily excited and amused. :D
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Re: Sweet Feed Wash

Postby billy_bob_95 » Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:51 pm

Now that you mention it I recall my wife telling me that before. LOL!!!
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Re: Sweet Feed Wash

Postby billy_bob_95 » Mon Feb 16, 2009 5:37 pm

Cooked a batch from this wash yesterday. Is it just me are does the grain washes have a sharper taste than just a sugar wash like WPOSW or Birdwacthers? Cut some of it down to 100 proof and it is till rather wicked.
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Re: Sweet Feed Wash

Postby pro65 » Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:04 am

cut it down to 80 proof and let it air for 2 days. makes a great sipping whiskey or a great whiskey and coke. I have run several of these washes and have tried it with leaving the grain in the pillow case resting a couple of inches off the bottom of the still, and just racking the juice and running it. The grain left in the pillow case is the best way for great flavoring.
Now I will have to try it U.J. way.
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Re: Sweet Feed Wash

Postby billy_bob_95 » Wed Feb 18, 2009 3:36 pm

Ended up making some apple pie drink with this batch.

1 Large Braburn apple - It was what was on sale
1TBS Apple Pie Spice
2 Cinnamon Sticks
1/4 Brown Sugar
1/4 Cup of Raisins
Finished filling the quart jar with licker

Just been sittin a few hours but I had to sample a little. I think the licker and the flavorings are going to really compliment each other.
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Re: Sweet Feed Wash

Postby goinbroke2 » Wed Feb 18, 2009 4:05 pm

billy_bob_95 wrote:I have two of these washes that are about done. I'm looking to try and reuse the yeast and the sweet feed left in the bottom of the fermenter. Here is the method I have in mind for reusing it.

Rack off the liquid portion
Replace half the old sweet feed with new
Add more sugar

In order for this to I would have to add the boiling water with dissovled sugar to the new sweet feed in a seprate bucket and allow it to cool before mixing the old with new. Because if I add the boiling water to the bucket that has the old sweet feed and yeast in it the yeast will be killed off.

Am I going about this in the right way are not?


Yup, that's what you do. However, I rack off the liquid and refill with warm water (not hot enough to kill the yeast), dump in the sugar and stir the crap out of it. If you stir it before adding sugar the white spent corn doesn't float as easily. Add sugar and a LOT of corn floats. I have a kids plastic sifter for the beach, I use that to scoop up the spent corn. Add new corn, same amount you took out. After stirring well to 1) areate 2) mix the sugar in and 3) to get the chaff or crap/debris from the new corn, I put in two table spoons of lemon juice and either sprinkle new yeast on (even though it's not needed) cover it and let it go. Bubbling hard in a couple hours.
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Re: Sweet Feed Wash

Postby punkin » Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:31 am

You would be wise to quit adding lemon juice on a recycleing wash/mash, especially if using backset. The Ph will drop of it's own accord, in my experience, to levels that are detrimental to the efficiency of the wash.
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Re: Sweet Feed Wash

Postby trthskr4 » Sat Feb 21, 2009 5:14 pm

Been watching the PH on my backsets, most are running around 3-3.2. That's pretty low on its own, if your fresh water is starting at 7 you can kind of figure where it's gonna go. For what it's worth.
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Re: Sweet Feed Wash

Postby steve541 » Sun Jan 10, 2010 1:16 pm

What about the trace minerals in th sweet feed? Are they a problem?
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Re: Aging?

Postby TXnational » Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:14 am

Just distilled the low wines - really pleased with this recipe.
Should I worry about aging sweet-feed whiskey? Advise me if you've had a good experience with doing that. Should I think about medium-toast or heavy-toast oak?

Suggestions needed.
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Re: Aging?

Postby Prairiepiss » Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:21 am

TXnational wrote:Just distilled the low wines - really pleased with this recipe.
Should I worry about aging sweet-feed whiskey? Advise me if you've had a good experience with doing that. Should I think about medium-toast or heavy-toast oak?

Suggestions needed.


Look in the sweetfeed recipe thread in the tried and true section. You will find all the info you would ever need on sweetfeed. :thumbup:
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Re: Sweet Feed Wash

Postby bigwheel » Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:54 pm

Well hope yall are right about all this stuff. Just invested in a 50 lb. bag of some kinda sweet feed today. Throwed my back plumb out of kilter to lug it into the man-cave. I dont see what is going to be fermentable in there either other than the molasses maybe. What is the hint on running it through the reflux still? I was lead to believe no matter what went in the input side it come out as white lightning on the other side. Looks like something flavorful would be best run in the pot still mode. Now somebody correct my thinking here. Thanks.
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Re: Sweet Feed Wash

Postby joebob » Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:24 am

Just starting to mess around a little with recipes to see which does the best for me. Trying to make the sweet feed wash and I am a little confused about the way it is written. So I wanted to ask this question about the sweet feed wash, It calls for a 5 gal bucket of sweet feed, then says cover bottom of bucket about 4" etc. didn't see where it says add the rest of the sweet feed. Started yesterday, added all the sweet feed, wash is very thick. Did I do this correct or do you only use the 4" in the bottom of the bucket?
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Re: Sweet Feed Wash

Postby Coaster » Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:33 am

@ joebob,

Welcome to the Forum.

Strongly suggest visiting the ‘Tried And True Recipes’ sub-forum and closely review the ‘Sweetfeed Whisky’ thread in its entirety ->

http://homedistiller.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=14586

joebob wrote:.....Did I do this correct.....

No you did not follow the Sweetfeed Whisky recipe correctly.

Nowhere in the Sweetfeed Whisky recipe does it say a “5 gal bucket of sweet feed”

The Sweetfeed Whisky recipe says “4 inch of Sweetfeed in the bottom of the bucket”

Nowhere in the Sweetfeed Whisky recipe does it say to add “all the Sweetfeed”.

If you read the entire Sweetfeed recipe narrative you will notice that it says “get your sweet feed at any farm supply store 50 pounds for 7 bucks. It will last a long time”

With adding “all the Sweetfeed” it would be very difficult for 50 pounds of Sweetfeed to “last a long time”.

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Re: Sweet Feed Wash

Postby fullhouse » Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:31 pm

ummm ur gonna need alot more buckets QUICK! and a Ass load of sugar! or start over with 4 inches in the 5 gal bucket,,,live n learn i guess
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Re: Sweet Feed Wash

Postby joebob » Fri Apr 06, 2012 3:41 pm

Figured this out, got very large container, much more sugar, and yeast and added more water. Just had to do figure out how much to add. If you look at the 1st line it says 5 gallon bucket sweet feed. No big deal got it working and hoperfully we will see what happens next week. Thanks for your help
SWEET FEED MOONSHINE
5 gallon bucket of sweet feed
(Sweet feed has several different grains and molasses making it a great tasting whiskey.)
1package of yeast (using distillers yeast will increase quality and quantity) I pitched 1/2 cup of Bakers Yeast
Put enough feed to cover bottom of 5 gallon bucket a good 4 inches deep
Add 5 pounds of sugar.
Fill 1/2 full with boiling water.
Mix until sugar is dissolved.
Let it set for 90 minutes and then finish filling with cool water.
Add the yeast after it has cooled to the recommended temperature on the yeast label.
Cover
4-5 days later it's ready to run
This is an old-timer recipe and works quite well.
My liquor is always 150-180 proof.
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Re: Sweet Feed Wash

Postby fullhouse » Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:00 pm

yeah ur right the wording is a lil off...i can see how some could be confused...maybe should have said something like "for a 5 gallon bucket of sweetfeed wash"

look at the bright side tho ...in a week or so ull have plenty of drink! if u can find time between the runs lol
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Re: Sweet Feed Wash

Postby Coaster » Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:39 pm

@ joebob,

Perchance did you actually read the ‘Sweetfeed Whisky’ Forum posting in the ‘Tried And True Recipes’ sub-forum that I reference in the my Fri Apr 06, 2012 8:33AM posting in this thread?

The ‘Sweetfeed Whisky’ recipe in ‘Tried And True Recipes’ sub-forum is a known proven recipe reviewed by numerous experienced and knowledgeable Forum Members. You are adding 5 pounds of sugar and the ‘Sweetfeed Whisky’ recipe in the referenced ‘Tried And True Recipes’ sub-forum calls for 7 pounds of sugar. Instead of relying on a recipe it would be prudent to use hydrometer and actually measure the mash wash specific gravity and adjust as required. If unaware of how to use a hydrometer suggest reviewing the ‘How to read a Mash Hydrometer’ thread located in the “Must Read” New distiller reading Lounge.

It appears that your goal is make 150-180 proof alcohol. Most Home Distiller Forum Members strive to make a Quality Drinkable distilled sprit and not focused on making paint thinner. The proof of the finished product has nothing to do with the Quality or Drinkability of the finished product.

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Re: Sweet Feed Wash

Postby joebob » Fri Apr 06, 2012 6:21 pm

Coaster,
Thanks and yes I read the Tried and True Recipes you sent, Hopefully it will all come out next week it was working great after the additions we made when we looked earlier this afternoon. I think it be great after distilling in the new still I received today. Been using a small electic but got a gas model. Thanks for all the help sure I will make more mistakes before I am through. It is good to be able to ask questions to people that have been through the trial and error and don't care to give advise. My friend and I am just started this venture but we're having a ball and very determined to get this right and make our own whiskey.
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Re: Sweet Feed Wash

Postby Frosteecat » Thu Apr 19, 2012 2:51 pm

I do a 7 gallon wash and over index the sugar (2lbs brown, 8lbs white) put in some honey (@1.5 cups) for yeast happiness and 12 oz bottle of molasses. I put whole uncooked raisins (@1 lb per 5 gallons) in the fermenter when I dump the wash in. End product has been sweet and tasty even on 1st run. Use about 1/2 backseat and 1/2 fresh water on the boil, grains loose in the pot...Your results may vary! :)
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