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Re: FLUTE TALK

Postby Mr.Spooky » Sun Feb 13, 2011 6:33 pm

someone please explain to me...... i was looking at most of the flute/plated columns and noticed that the product condensor was so long (mine is about 15")..... what i was wandering was,,, sence a shotgun deflag is about 4"x6" or so,, and can achieve 100% reflux,,, why couldent you use the exact same shotgun condensor as a product condensor.
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Re: FLUTE TALK

Postby Mr.Spooky » Sun Feb 13, 2011 6:37 pm

lordmango wrote:Quick Question: Does it matter if a flute is made out of Copper or Stainless Steel?

EDIT: I feel like making a flute myself some time this summer. Though first of all, I think I should learn how the flute exactly works. Anyone care to show a drawing that explains pretty much everything?

as with any still,, no it does not matter,, though (I),, and alot others would sudgest puting copper in the vapor path.
and as far as explaining how everything works,,,,,, this thread has about 84 pages of good starting material.
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Re: FLUTE TALK

Postby olddog » Sun Feb 13, 2011 6:40 pm

Mr.Spooky wrote:, why couldent you use the exact same shotgun condensor as a product condensor.

Why not, when I was first developing the Flute build, I was using my leibig from my potstill to test the column, it worked great but it was not very tidy, so I built the Graham condenser purely to keep things looking tidy. You can use any type of condenser as long as it knocks down the vapor.



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Re: FLUTE TALK

Postby Mr.Spooky » Sun Feb 13, 2011 6:46 pm

cool,,, thanks OD!!!!
soooo ,,, doesanyonehaveabout12"of4"theywannacomeoffof :D :D ??????? ill make 2 shotgun condensors the exact same size and see if it works.
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Re: FLUTE TALK

Postby olddog » Mon Feb 14, 2011 12:35 am

Spooky What happened to that condenser you made with all of that great looking machine finish :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:



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Re: FLUTE TALK

Postby Mr.Spooky » Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:45 am

i still have it, i was just gonna try to make a shotgun deflag condensor and then have a same size product condensor that connected via 2" triclamp.
oh,,, BTW, i think that i got a low spot in the coil on that grahm.... it surges :roll:
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Re: FLUTE TALK

Postby lordmango » Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:20 pm

Quick question: Is it possible to make a flute of 2 inch copper tubing instead of 4? And what would the outtake most likely be if it's possible?
I kinda want to make a flute myself, but around here it's pretty hard to get hold of 4 inch tubing.
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Re: FLUTE TALK

Postby Kiwi-lembic » Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:26 pm

lordmango wrote:I kinda want to make a flute myself, but around here it's pretty hard to get hold of 4 inch tubing.


going through my stainless pile ..i found all different size stainless chimney flues the other day ..they made them in quite a few dimensions around the 8 - 4" ,some of them have substantial enough wall thickness and with the nickel content in stainless makes them quite hard ...just food for thought ..may help may not KIwi-L
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Re: FLUTE TALK

Postby Thorn_veritas » Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:18 pm

Od has said before he has trialed this in 2". Your output would be alot less but quicker than most other 2". Hard time doin sight glasses. I was gunna do it in 2 1/2 " but decided against it. and I wou dmt bother.with the exremest of a graham liebigs work that what these flutes started with.

All in all yes it can be done. But I personally think it would be to much hassle in 2". But its up to you to do it and report findings to the board.
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Re: FLUTE TALK

Postby lordmango » Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:30 pm

Thorn_veritas wrote:All in all yes it can be done. But I personally think it would be to much hassle in 2".

Well, when you put it that way... I don't think I'll do it. I already have a VM that's being welded for me right at this moment, so I do have a still to use. I just wanted to maybe try out making a Flute for 2 reasons:
#1: It's a damn good looking still.
#2: It would be nice to try making a still that needs quite alot work and I could also learn how to solder better at the same time.

All in all, I just wanted to try it out, but if it really doesn't work as well with a 2 inch one compared to a 4 inch one, I think I'll scrap my whole project and just stick to the VM I'm getting. Might end up experimenting on something else later on.
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Re: FLUTE TALK

Postby Austin Nichols » Sun Feb 20, 2011 3:21 am

Thorn_veritas wrote:Od has said before he has trialed this in 2". Your output would be alot less but quicker than most other 2". Hard time doin sight glasses. I was gunna do it in 2 1/2 " but decided against it. and I wou dmt bother.with the exremest of a graham liebigs work that what these flutes started with.

All in all yes it can be done. But I personally think it would be to much hassle in 2". But its up to you to do it and report findings to the board.


I disagree!

I reckon a 2" flute would kick ass, not as fast as 4" but then you'd be a fool to think it would be........... no reason why it cant be scaled down some more and still be very effective.
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Re: FLUTE TALK

Postby Kiwi-lembic » Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:05 am

Found this in A VM-ARC search yesterday ..couldnt read what it was saying it looks as though they were using it as a centering column
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Re: FLUTE TALK

Postby LWTCS » Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:32 am

I thought Rockchucker did a 2" version already. Not to mention the Evil Twins been done for a good long while

And another member (can't remember his handle) did that tall,,,,,maybe a 10 plater a while back too.
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Re: FLUTE TALK

Postby lordmango » Sun Feb 20, 2011 3:37 pm

Is it important for everything to be in copper or SS or can it be mixed? I'm thinking of most likely using SS-plates since it's alot easier to come across.
And is there any specific thickness it has to be? Was tinking of maybe using 0,7mm plates since I already have quite alot of that already.
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Re: FLUTE TALK

Postby kenfyoozed » Sun Feb 20, 2011 3:53 pm

i would think it would be better for the plates to be copper as you need some copper IN the vapor path, Copper AROUND the vapor path may not cut it.
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Re: FLUTE TALK

Postby Austin Nichols » Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:47 am

Kiwi-lembic wrote:Found this in A VM-ARC search yesterday ..couldnt read what it was saying it looks as though they were using it as a centering column


OOPS! :roll:
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Postby DOLIKEADRINK » Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:05 am

G'day, First of sorry no pic's :oops: I wanted to get this right the first time without being side tracked :oops:
Well this how the MMF 10 plater performed, you make your own decision on it. The wash was my first ever Bird Watchers it finished at .900, I let it clear for a about 3 days before I racked it off 30lts into my boiler carefully. I have a cheap 3 ring gas burner, I ran it on flat out for 80mins all plates were stacked (the lower one's were flooded) I could hear the rivets in my lower valve plate dancing away, I dropped the heat down to the middle burner and ran that wide open for the total run (which is exactly where I use to run my 2" Pot Still) The temp was 78.1 at the top of the column and approx 10deg hotter at the top of the 4th plate, During warm up it wasn't always like this, early on when the burner was on flat out the temp at the top of the 4th plate was 20-30 deg above the top temp, When I dropped it down to the middle burner all ten plates leveled out the same, I was now ready to off my fores, I cracked the valves very slowly, I took 300ml of fores, I re-stacked the column for another 15mins then cracked the valves very slowly again and started to take off some spirit.
I dropped my temp gauge into my parrot that olddog made for me (one of his new design) it worked like a treat no surging at all, The temp was 24.7 dropped in my alcometer :shock: 95% straight away :D Holey snapping duck shit batman far out :D During the run I saw 96% it actually floated between 95% and 96% throughout the whole run. The total time was 80min warm up and 105mins to take off the hearts 2.2ltrs, Things started to slow down the plates started to fall, So I re-stacked the column again for 15min, Cracked the valves and I was straight into tails, I took approx 150ml of tails, I let it sit overnight and rechecked it the next morning 2.2ltrs of 95% (alc temp was 22.6), When I diluted it down to 40% I ended up with just over 5ltrs :D. Well what do you think :?: One thing to remember is that I am a bit of a dumb ass and have only been distilling for 7 months and the only still I have ever seen was my old Pot Still.
Thanks Mike great job

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Re: FLUTE TALK

Postby Austin Nichols » Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:47 am

DLAD,

I take it you were running a neutral, and wonder what your thoughts are on it's flavor?
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Re: FLUTE TALK

Postby DOLIKEADRINK » Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:00 am

Austin Nichols wrote:DLAD,

I take it you were running a neutral Bird Watchers thats correct, and wonder what your thoughts are on it's flavor?What flavor


Not real sure on the flavor, Wouldn't mind hanging a Gin basket in the Vapor stream and putting a little flavor in it I think.

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Re: FLUTE TALK

Postby likkerluvver » Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:11 am

Yes, I too wonder how "neutral" your neutral was.

But, more important to me would be how flavourful the final product is when compared to a single or double run on a simple potstill. :?:

I'd be very happy with flavour carry-over from a grain-based neutral. But, is there much flavour loss on a pseudo-Scotch or an UJSSM.

One thing's certain. - There's no arguing with both the beauty and speed of distillation of these rigs. Not to mention the craftsmanship that goes into them. :)




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Re: FLUTE TALK

Postby olddog » Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:49 am

Wow 96ABVThis will be the first Flute to achieve that on a single run, congratulations Wayne. I see it's working as designed :ebiggrin: :ebiggrin: :ebiggrin: :ebiggrin:


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Re: FLUTE TALK

Postby LWTCS » Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:07 am

Martinnis for everyone :ebiggrin: :ebiggrin:

Yes, been waiting to hear about the 10 plate run.

150 ml of tails,,,,,,,oh mammy that is squeezin it down pretty good.

And 2.2 @ 95,,,,,,,,again,,,that seems like some very good compression.............No stripping,,,,,30 liters in 3 hours with the goodly reflux period included!

How would you describe the size of your stream Wayne?
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Re: FLUTE TALK

Postby DOLIKEADRINK » Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:06 pm

Howdy :)
The stream size was probably from a match stick to a pencil lead, Not quite the size of my pot still stream and maybe a bit under the size of when I run the 4 plater. I have done a few of batches of Hook Rum with the 4 plater and it smells amazing and I don't like Rum, But I recon I might just have a couple when it is aged this stuff just smells so Bloody clean. I haven't even tasted my UJSSM yet :cry: I am trying to let it age nice and slowly no touching for 3 months min, Shit it's hard but when it smells so bloody good, Lucky I have a good supply of my Pot Still UJSSM :)

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Re: FLUTE TALK

Postby likkerluvver » Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:58 pm

DOLIKEADRINK wrote:Howdy :)
..... I have done a few of batches of Hook Rum with the 4 plater and it smells amazing and I don't like Rum, But I recon I might just have a couple when it is aged this stuff just smells so Bloody clean. I haven't even tasted my UJSSM yet :cry: I am trying to let it age nice and slowly no touching for 3 months min, Shit it's hard but when it smells so bloody good, Lucky I have a good supply of my Pot Still UJSSM :)

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I somehow lost the first part of my earlier post, :oops: so here are: My congrats on the 95+% on the Birdwatcher's in 10-plate mode. The rig sure is an impressive build, with lots of versatility.

I am wondering how the cleanest neutral (the 10-plate config. can produce) will compare with that of a Bok or a VM when shooting for azeotrope?

I look forward to hearing more about the flavour carry-over in 4-plate mode in due time - how it compares with your previous pot-stilled rum and UJSSM product.

All sounds good so far. :)




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Re: FLUTE TALK

Postby Austin Nichols » Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:03 pm

I ran a BW wash a few days ago trying to make a neutral from 5 plates.

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After airing for 48 hours it's pretty good.
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Re: FLUTE TALK

Postby thepatchworkdoll » Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:07 pm

Hey Austin
Is that a 5 plate sieve still or bubble cap. That reading on the alcometer is sound.
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Re: FLUTE TALK

Postby Kentucky shinner » Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:19 pm

Impressive guys.. very impresseive
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Re: FLUTE TALK

Postby DOLIKEADRINK » Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:34 pm

Austin Nichols wrote:I ran a BW wash a few days ago trying to make a neutral from 5 plates.

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After airing for 48 hours it's pretty good.


Hey Austin how did your neutral taste from 5 plates :?: That looks like 96% to me :D What temp was the sprit :?: I got OLDDOG to put a temp port in my Parrot like the one you made, Great simple idea well done.

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Re: FLUTE TALK

Postby likkerluvver » Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:57 pm

Hey guys,

It all looks pretty impressive. AND on just 5 plates AN. WOW :D

:?: Keep us posted on the flavour carry-over (where you WANT it (heavier rums, whiskeys, etc.) as compared with straight pot-stillin' - when you have a chance. :?:




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Re: FLUTE TALK

Postby rockchucker22 » Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:59 pm

Great results, mine hit 95% during a 40% charge run I did a few weeks back. With straight wash I seem to settle in right at 88-90% abv. For hearts, heads always come in at 95%.
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