Plate trees for dummies (4" sieve tutorial)

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Plate trees for dummies (4" sieve tutorial)

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This is a tutorial for making a plate tree using prefabricated 4" plates intended for use in 4"DWV. You should buy those items first and make sure the plates fit properly in the pipe. I will NOT cover turning down plates on a drill or making plates from scratch.

Here it is. Lets start with a parts/equipment list (I probably forgot something)

  1. Any decent drill
  2. Hammer
  3. CenterPunch
  4. Bastard File
  5. These 1/16" bits
  6. 320 Grit Sand Paper
  7. Step Bit
  8. 4" plates
  9. 1/4" 316SS nuts
  10. 1/4" 316SS Rod
  11. Ruler (protractor and compass could help)
  12. A safe soft solder and flux
I apologise that its all US sources. You may have to do some hunting.


Drill is for drillin.
Hammer for tappin plats flat after centerpunching because it gives them a slight curve.
Center punch for making marks where all your "vapor holes" will be.(This punch made 1300 holes no problem)
Bastard File for smoothing the burs after drilling the holes.
1/16th bits for drillin holes (I used those bits. They were $14 a while back. You may have to find something similar)
320 grit for smoothing the plate nicely
Step bit for drilling downcomer holes (This does kinda sloppy holes IMO. Not the best choice)
4" plates, goes unsaid
Nuts are for nuttin'
Rod is for for treein'
Ruler for making lines and perpendicular lines
Solder goes unsaid
Got it? Good!


Here is a couple templates made to size.
my plate.pdf
my plate2.pdf
The first one is for plates with 3/4" DCs with J traps or suspended cups
The second template is for 1/2"DCs with 3/4"RCs (downcomers and retention cups beotch)


Lets get started.

First, you will need to find the center of the plates. I use the chord and perpendicular line method SEEN HERE
. After making three lines cross you should end up

with three sets of symmetrical triangles (shown in illustartion below). Notice mine arent perfect. The 1/4" rod will have

a bit of flex and perfection isn't necessary if you dont need to "turn them down". Its best to make sure they fit your

pipe before being so careless ;).
finding center.jpg

Next, print out the template.
Print it the size it is! Do not alter its size!
my plate.pdf
my plate2.pdf
You may need to modify it slightly depending on your desires of DCs and RCs. It is sized properly to fit right up to your 4" plates.

Simply fold it along the dotted line, enclose your plate, and start centerpunching. Make it tight. Fold the paper into a square encapsulating it. You dont want that plate moving around. I had no problems and I wasn't being very cautious at all. After punching a plate it will look something like this.
centerpunched.jpg
(The center hole can be done later. Any time really)

Use the same paper template for your remaining plates. The centerpunch finds the holes in the paper and it goes a bit

faster. If you do it in lines you can go pretty damn fast. I can centerpunch a whole plate in 5 minutes or less.

IMPORTANT: Now you need to flatten those plates back out. Be gentle. If you dont flatten em youll twerk the bits and break

em. Just do it.

Moving on.


Chuck up your drill bit like this. Leave only 1/4" exposed. When I used less I couldn't see the bit and keep it straight. When I used more they broke easily.
bit alignment.jpg
Start drilling holes and don't rush it. They will break. Keep the drill staright. Never release the trigger until the bit

has exited the copper. I can do a whole plate with one bit in about 12 minutes. If you're breaking bits you're doing it

wrong, drilling too fast, or not using the bits I suggested (shame on you).

Next, you will use the file to smooth the plates and follow that up with a nice quick rugged sanding. I prefer a little

handheld sander but doing it by hand will work. Its just for looks and feel mostly.

At this point your plates should look something like this.
lottahoes.jpg
Now it's time to make some decisions. 1/2" or 3/4"? Cup traps or J traps? I havent finished yet, but, this stuff seems

pretty self explanitory. Odds are I'll have this tutorial finished before you get here. Otherwise, use

some common sense. If you don't understand flute theory and operation than go read more.

Good luck. Anyone can do this

Just for the record, I dont think I've really come across anything new here. I'm just showing it can be done with simple tools and little skill.
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Re: Plate trees for dummies (4" seive tutorial)

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Good to see your on the bike.
Just gotta keep peddling now.
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Re: Plate trees for dummies (4" seive tutorial)

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I'll be looking forward to this thread! Bookmarked...Image
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Re: Plate trees for dummies (4" seive tutorial)

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emptyglass wrote:Good to see your on the bike.
Just gotta keep peddling now.
Funny you say that. I hate winter. Rode a few "centuries" last summer. Couple thousand miles in total. My bike needs some love.

Im just rounding up some final parts. Things are coming along. A few weeks and I'd expect to be done.
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Re: Plate trees for dummies (4" seive tutorial)

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Thanks astronomical, this is going to be very useful for MANY people! (myself included)
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Re: Plate trees for dummies (4" seive tutorial)

Post by Titus-a-fishus »

+1
Have been looking for a simple tuturial without the miles of comments and that is why I left off posting anything on this thread.
Maybe we can keep the thread as clean as possible so Astronomical can set the tuturial up without it running into pages of info.

Not having a go at any of the other posters just really want to see this one easy to use.
Please don't take offence at the above comments guys

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