Swaging Tool Drill Bit

[Bushman]

Found this tool and thought it would be helpful when building your still.
https://roched.com/products/swaging-too ... XkLi_cfxBk

[Demy]

There are many more or less expensive tools for that job. I had seen this https://bit.ly/3mvSEnl, but then I used a DIY tool and a hammer!

[Expat]

Never considered swaging with a drill; Is there an advantage?

I use something like this, and a hammer.

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Cost was less than 8 cad beer tokens.

[Deplorable]

Never considered swaging with a drill; Is there an advantage?

I use something like this, and a hammer.
HDX-Swaging-Tool-–-1000-012-501.jpg

Cost was less than 8 cad beer tokens.

That and a pipe flaring tool used on exhaust systems for 1.5 and 2 inch pipe.

[Demy]

I believe this https://bit.ly/3c6TMJg is the most professional but it is tremendously expensive for occasional use, I don't think I would ever buy it. Gripper tools have the advantage that they can be used on pre-assembled parts that cannot be clamped in the vice

[Bushman]

I just saw a video and thought it was handy, glad others have found cheaper ways to flare pipe.

[Demy]

I just saw a video and thought it was handy, glad others have found cheaper ways to flare pipe.

The tool he posted is useful. We have added more tools because they all do the same job and it is more useful to have more routes!

[Expat]

Never considered swaging with a drill; Is there an advantage?

I use something like this, and a hammer.
HDX-Swaging-Tool-–-1000-012-501.jpg

Cost was less than 8 cad beer tokens.

That and a pipe flaring tool used on exhaust systems for 1.5 and 2 inch pipe.

Largest is 3/4" actually. Can't imagine using it on anything harder than annealed copper.

[OtisT]

Bushman, thanks for sharing that. I like the type you shared. I have used the hammer in kind and find it a PITA, mainly because it is hard to maintain a grip on the pipe without crushing/scaring It while trying to hammer the flaring bit in. I don’t think the tool you shared would present the same level of challenge.

I don’t know what they are called, but I’m on the lookout for a side of the pipe swag tool that does not cost a lot. Looking for one that would flare out from the side of a larger pipe, like something that would create flaring to weld a ferrule onto for making a plate section window. The ones I have found for use with high torque power drills are damn expensive. I’ve watched some folks do the same starting with a small hole then creating the flare out with a torch, a piece of round steel for shaping and a hammer. That is art in motion.

Maybe we figure out a way to start a tool sharing library by region. One way to spread the cost of specialty one-shot tools that cost a lot. Folks pitch in incrementally, and if you F up the tool you bought it. A private site external to HD so no connection between Stilling and building. Just thinking out loud.

Otis

[Deplorable]

Never considered swaging with a drill; Is there an advantage?

I use something like this, and a hammer.
HDX-Swaging-Tool-–-1000-012-501.jpg

Cost was less than 8 cad beer tokens.

That and a pipe flaring tool used on exhaust systems for 1.5 and 2 inch pipe.

Largest is 3/4" actually. Can't imagine using it on anything harder than annealed copper.

No brother, I meant one of these, for larger diameter pipe.

[Windy City]

I believe this https://bit.ly/3c6TMJg is the most professional but it is tremendously expensive for occasional use, I don't think I would ever buy it. Gripper tools have the advantage that they can be used on pre-assembled parts that cannot be clamped in the vice

We have one of these in our shop (made by Ridgid Tool)(also quite a bit more expensive than the Chinese bullshit)
I originally purchased it for the shop some 20 years ago and it is a good tool.
The tool Bushman shared seemed like a great alternative and even though I will not be purchasing one it actually seems like a nicer option.
I like the fact that it automatically deburrs the pipe and the friction keeps the pipe from work hardening.
Unlike the Ridgid expander that can leave vertical grooves in the cup, being this is expanded while spinning should ensure a smooth joint.

[cob]

OtisT see if this helps. http://homedistiller.org/forum/viewtopi ... =2&t=21258

I have the tools that Expat and Deplorable posted an have had varying degrees of success,

next time I use the tapered expander I will try it in a drill. In the op video I noticed

a bend in the pipe that in effect was a handle with leverage. I wonder if that tool can

be used with bare hands and straight pipe without bleeding or blisters?

it does look like a tool I will add to my shop.

Edit: Prairiepiss's post above inspired the thought that by cutting off a bolt,

and reprofiling a coupling nut you could make any custom size you want.

[Demy]

OtisT see if this helps. http://homedistiller.org/forum/viewtopi ... =2&t=21258

I have the tools that Expat and Deplorable posted an have had varying degrees of success,

next time I use the tapered expander I will try it in a drill. In the op video I noticed

a bend in the pipe that in effect was a handle with leverage. I wonder if that tool can

be used with bare hands and straight pipe without bleeding or blisters?

it does look like a tool I will add to my shop.

Edit: Prairiepiss's post above inspired the thought that by cutting off a bolt,

and reprofiling a coupling nut you could make any custom size you want.

Sounds like a great alternative to me if you have easy access inside the tube. I love homemade tools!

[NineInchNails]

Never considered swaging with a drill; Is there an advantage?

I use something like this, and a hammer.
HDX-Swaging-Tool-–-1000-012-501.jpg

Cost was less than 8 cad beer tokens.

That and a pipe flaring tool used on exhaust systems for 1.5 and 2 inch pipe.

Largest is 3/4" actually. Can't imagine using it on anything harder than annealed copper.

No brother, I meant one of these, for larger diameter pipe.
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Those pipe expanders are also excellent for TIG welding ferrules to pipe. They hold them perfectly aligned with the pipe.

[Chauncey]

This is cool as hell imo. Ive always flared pipe with a ball peen and wood or a small swadging tool. The bit seems to work a charm. Wish i woulda had that when i started out!

[Irishgnome]

Cheapest option I've seen :
https://www.globalindustrial.com/p/plum ... ing_clicks

Cheers,
Irish

[OtisT]

OtisT see if this helps. http://homedistiller.org/forum/viewtopi ... =2&t=21258

I have the tools that Expat and Deplorable posted an have had varying degrees of success,

next time I use the tapered expander I will try it in a drill. In the op video I noticed

a bend in the pipe that in effect was a handle with leverage. I wonder if that tool can

be used with bare hands and straight pipe without bleeding or blisters?

it does look like a tool I will add to my shop.

Edit: Prairiepiss's post above inspired the thought that by cutting off a bolt,

and reprofiling a coupling nut you could make any custom size you want.

Sweet solution. I could make something like that and like it. Would not work for most plumbers needs, but for column sections I can get inside of, this looks like a great solution. Also good for a 2” shotgun I will be making because the tees would be near the ends of that jacket section. Thanks.

I had found a set from Ali express for $280 that includes both the tee maker as well as a tube expander for rounding/smoothing the hole. Comes in 5 different sizes from 3/8” to 1 1/8”. I am not buying this, but considered it.

I also saw a home made tee extractor tool that I was thinking of fabricating before you shared this post. That tool was made from a single 1/2” hard steel bolt, with the head ground with a flat J in it like many of the tools I found in a google search. Does not make perfectly clean holes, but it is now my backup plan if I don’t have success with making a tool like you shared.

Otis

[Jack C]

I have a set like Bushman posted that goes up to 7/8. Love it. works great on soft copper and with a powerful and fast drill I have used it on hard drawn copper. Its just tough to hold the pipe if it is straight. P.S. It gets hot as hell use caution.

[OtisT]

I have a set like Bushman posted that goes up to 7/8. Love it. works great on soft copper and with a powerful and fast drill I have used it on hard drawn copper. Its just tough to hold the pipe if it is straight. P.S. It gets hot as hell use caution.

Have you tried a low RPM drill motor? Just wondering if that would work any better.
Otis

[OtisT]

Never considered swaging with a drill; Is there an advantage?

I use something like this, and a hammer.
HDX-Swaging-Tool-–-1000-012-501.jpg

Cost was less than 8 cad beer tokens.

That and a pipe flaring tool used on exhaust systems for 1.5 and 2 inch pipe.

Largest is 3/4" actually. Can't imagine using it on anything harder than annealed copper.

No brother, I meant one of these, for larger diameter pipe.
20200917_162037.jpg

Have you used one of these with success on a section of copper pipe? How do you hold your copper pipe secure as you torque the shit out of it with this tool? I ask because I tried one of these once on a piece of 2” pipe with no success. I could not find a way to grip the copper with enough friction and not ruin it. Otis

[Demy]

I would like to try to replicate that bit, maybe I'll just use some bolts and some welds. Do you think that the common iron in the tip would resist?

[Deplorable]

That and a pipe flaring tool used on exhaust systems for 1.5 and 2 inch pipe.

Largest is 3/4" actually. Can't imagine using it on anything harder than annealed copper.

No brother, I meant one of these, for larger diameter pipe.
20200917_162037.jpg

Have you used one of these with success on a section of copper pipe? How do you hold your copper pipe secure as you torque the shit out of it with this tool? I ask because I tried one of these once on a piece of 2” pipe with no success. I could not find a way to grip the copper with enough friction and not ruin it. Otis

I haven't yet, but was planning to as I contemplate a new CCVM column build

[Jack C]

I think the high rpm heats the hard copper enough to help anneal it. That seems to help the swaging process.

[Demy]

I think the high rpm heats the hard copper enough to help anneal it. That seems to help the swaging process.

In the link of those bits there are the minimum revolutions needed but in my opinion it would be better to heat the copper first, unless those bits are damaged by heat.

[Chauncey]

Cheapest option I've seen :
https://www.globalindustrial.com/p/plum ... ing_clicks

Cheers,
Irish

Thats just a case? Lol

[Twisted Brick]

Thats just a case? Lol

Ha! Nice catch, Chauncey!

[cob]

Have you used one of these with success on a section of copper pipe? How do you hold your copper pipe secure as you torque the shit out of it with this tool? I ask because I tried one of these once on a piece of 2” pipe with no success. I could not find a way to grip the copper with enough friction and not ruin it. Otis
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I have lots of surplus conveyor belt and a 3-4" wide piece in a large vice holds 2" copper fine.

and with an air lug wrench you can ???????

[zapata]

I think the high rpm heats the hard copper enough to help anneal it. That seems to help the swaging process.

That was my thinking too. Reminds me of "flow drilling" a trick I picked up from Harry (RIP) back on yahoo. Doesn't work for big jobs, but for 1/2" and smaller it's a treat. You can use any blount thing and just spin and press until it heats up and presses through. I've used counter sink bits spun backwards, random junk grinding bits from the bottom of the toolbox, just get the right diameter and spin up a nice little collared swage. Feels like it's never gonna work until you start smelling it and then it just gives way and stretches like clay.

Aktwually... I forget I'm a caveman and a hand drill is my most exotic machinery. One of you fancy lads gentlemen with a drill press or lathe ever try that in a bigger size?

[Demy]

I tried to build something like this, I created another post in the suitable section https://homedistiller.org/forum/viewtop ... 50&t=80460

[Bushman]

Demy in your video what did you use to hold the tube in the vise?