I am doing a standard bourbon grain mash and planning on following the Ian Smiley's protocol for an intermittent sour mash cycle by reusing the same grains and yeast thru 3 runs by adding back the backset from the boiler to the grains after the stripping run. Problem is, I had slightly burnt the first stripping run after I racked the mash the night before the run and I think let too much sediment fall to the bottom of the boiler (despite doing the standard filtering) forgetting to stir it up before starting . I caught the burn early but did see a small amount of smoke exit the still before turning off the hot plate, removing the beer/mash fluid, cleaning the bottom of the boiler and removing all of the burnt sediment. I went ahead and did the run but the flavor tastes off, it doesn't have the standard flavor and smell coming off of the still I typically get and there was just the very slightest hint of smoke smell and smoke taste (very subtle, but I believe real) during the entire stripping run.
My question is should I try to recycle this backset that has been damaged back into the ferment bucket, as Smiley describes, with the hope that another ferment cycle will give me a better product with the second and third strip run (and finishing run, quite a lot of potential for dilution of the burnt portion), or should I trash this backset and just add water and maybe citric acid to the grains and essentially restart the process? I think keeping the backset should give me better yield because I can recoup the unfermented sugars and residual alcohol in the backset, but I would hate for the flavor that I have during the first strip run to be the final flavor of the whiskey.
Thanks in advance
Save slightly burnt backset during sour mashing???
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Save slightly burnt backset during sour mashing???
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Re: Save slightly burnt backset during sour mashing???
Smokey flavors are great
But even redistilling doesn't hide Burnt flavors
But even redistilling doesn't hide Burnt flavors
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Re: Save slightly burnt backset during sour mashing???
I was afraid you guys would say that. RIP backset, but better to not destroy strips 2 and 3.shadylane wrote:Smokey flavors are great
But even redistilling doesn't hide Burnt flavors
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Re: Save slightly burnt backset during sour mashing???
Slightly burnt is kinda like being a little pregnant.
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Re: Save slightly burnt backset during sour mashing???
BWAHAHAHA ! You took the words right out of my drink .MichiganCornhusker wrote:Slightly burnt is kinda like being a little pregnant.
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Save slightly burnt backset during sour mashing???
I wanted to post a followup to this topic to provide another experience for people who have a burnt mash in the future. I ended up trashing the backset. I wanted to see if I could salvage this burnt stripping run at all, so I followed with a standard spirit run after letting the damaged low wines sit and air out for 2 weeks. Still smelled terrible. I also added 1 gallon of infected good/new mash as der wo described to help try to improve flavor to the finishing run. I kept my cuts very narrow (more so than normal) saving only between 76-69% ABV out of the still, diluted down to 40% and then added a lot of oak sticks to the jar (about 3x normal). I opened the jar and vigorously shook every 3rd day or so.
For about the first 3 months the odor and taste did not greatly improve, but after this the off taste mellowed out tremendously. The odor improved substantially, but I could still slightly smell a difference with my normal runs. After 5 months, I can say that the product from this slightly burnt mash strip run tasted just slightly off but was easily good enough to blend with spirit from a normal run and did not modify the taste of this blend.
Best thing to learn from this, don't burn your shit.
For about the first 3 months the odor and taste did not greatly improve, but after this the off taste mellowed out tremendously. The odor improved substantially, but I could still slightly smell a difference with my normal runs. After 5 months, I can say that the product from this slightly burnt mash strip run tasted just slightly off but was easily good enough to blend with spirit from a normal run and did not modify the taste of this blend.
Best thing to learn from this, don't burn your shit.
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Re: Save slightly burnt backset during sour mashing???
Thanks for the followup .
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