Satan's Wash

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Hound Dog ,
That SBPD can also lead to some early divorces . It's a good idea to make sure whose panties you are attempting to drop before you commit to the plan . Don't ask me how I come by this sort of insight :esad:
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Truckinbutch wrote:Hound Dog ,
That SBPD can also lead to some early divorces . It's a good idea to make sure whose panties you are attempting to drop before you commit to the plan . Don't ask me how I come by this sort of insight :esad:
LOL! I can see how that can be a problem. I took a couple fifths to an apple butter churning "party" at a farm with some friends. I just knew it was going to be trouble later when i saw that my wife and a group of girls had one bottle almost polished off. When I saw they were breaking into the second bottle, I warned my buddies and just kept clear of the women so there weren't no "misunderstandings"! :angel:
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Ga_goat wrote:I sort of understand where you are coming from ,, here almost no one drinks and a pint will last 3 or 4 months , but
I have always messed with it and always will , they would probably call my methods crazy ,, that's why I've always kept it to myself I use all malted corn , no yeast , no sugar , just malt the corn ( sometimes chicken scratch feed ) dry it grind it and run it , 15.5 keg still with a 30" liebig no thumper , 1 run will net me all I need and some to share .
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I am curious as well after his tek description. He is using yeast and doesn't know it. Wild yeast, it would seem. It works just fine for him I'm sure.

But I will say "Dry it, grind it, and run it" does leave alot on the table.
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I guess it should have read , malt it , dry it , , grind it , ferment it , run it it sometimes takes me a little longer to ferment but it do ferment ,and I'm after the old slow way anyhow ,, no more than I use . My Grand pa used to make it this way .
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Grind it, ferment it doesn't make any sense though. You are missing a couple very very important steps
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Try fermenting in 5 gal batches, that way if there is waste, it's not that bad

I do my tried and true recipes that I have tested on a 5 gal scale, then feed to the 50gal fermentor (6 people at our flat, all at that partying age...)

also stay away from urea, dap is a perfect nitrogen supplement, I believe rad has played around with some NPK in the 20-20-20 and 15-15-15 and 10-10-10 ranges, a search will find it for ya,

also those cheap fake copper scrubbers will put a wierd taste in as well (i know from experience), next time you buy some let them soak in vinegar for a day or 2, but mostly, they say plated on the wrapping.... mostly

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Bearriver, any new experiments?

My sacrificial run was sugar, dap, and bakers yeast, i described the tails of the distillate (which accounted for a majority) as smelling like "if Satan went out and drank cheap vodka all night, and threw up bile the next morning"

The sick thing is since it was my first run and i was trying to learn and search for cuts, so i kept smelling glasses of distillate until i turned green! Its all i could smell for days.

I blame the bakers yeast (mainly).

I've been using beer yeast since, but want to TRy bakers yeast again, just not sure....
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I've used distillers yeast for washes. I don't really see that it is any different than my cheap bulk pack of Red Star Baker's yeast from Costco. (Except the price)
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Hound, curious what type of still r u runnin?

Im pretty confident a reflux would give much better results w a wider range of washes and yeasts,
(But ive got a real simple pot still w no packing)

Ive been wanting to try another sugar wash / baker's yeast ferment, but
So much to do and so little time....
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Never discount the effectiveness of bakers yeast... The other brands are not anything magic and they haven't been refined nearly as much as their promoters might want to lead you to believe... It can also ferment to almost 20% ABV, even though we would never recommend intentionally doing so for reasons discussed elsewhere in these forums... But, then again, we wouldn't recommend pushing turbo yeast any higher than bakers yeast either...
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BrooklynBrewer725 wrote:Hound, curious what type of still r u runnin?

Im pretty confident a reflux would give much better results w a wider range of washes and yeasts,
(But ive got a real simple pot still w no packing)

Ive been wanting to try another sugar wash / baker's yeast ferment, but
So much to do and so little time....
I usually run a LM boka set up. I have a pot still also that I mostly use for stripping but have made a few good whiskey batches with it too.

My favorite recipe is the All Bran using shredded wheat for a bit of wheat flavor. I use the bakers yeast in all the washes though and keep them around 10%. It makes a good whiskey with an all grain feed mix on a pot still.
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I know this thread is old, but

I ran a few hook rum's (sugar/molasses etc) thru my basic pot still using bakers yeast and the results were beautiful.

So my first awful run / satan wash was 1 or 2 reasons:

1. I stressed the yeast out w too much abv and not enough nutrients (i should've used a tried and true recipe)
Or
2. It was the first run and the copper tubing hadn't been thoroughly cleaned / seasoned. Doubtful, but by run 3 the unknown kinks seemed to have smoothed out (although, theres always more unknown kinks to work out ;)

I also talked to some cool guys at New England Distillery and they keep their sugar washes for rum at 8.5%

Moral of the story: bakers yeast works great for sugar washes, use tried and true recipes, and if at first you dont succeed....
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Wow urea hmm I missed seeing this before, Urea is not a good neut to use although high in nitrogen it produces cancer causing compounds when used in fermenting, satan's wash indeed :shock:
http://www.essencia.co.nz/Bulletins/Ure ... Market.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow
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thecroweater wrote:Wow urea hmm I missed seeing this before, Urea is not a good neut to use although high in nitrogen it produces cancer causing compounds when used in fermenting, satan's wash indeed :shock:
http://www.essencia.co.nz/Bulletins/Ure ... Market.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow
There is far too much panic in these forums over urea... Too much urea is bad, yes, but your body requires, makes, and disposes of urea on a daily basis... Even medical sites have addressed peoples concerns... Unless your body becomes overwhelmed with urea, it has no problem purging any excess... Not to mention that very little would carry over during the distillation process...

We do take safety very seriously here and, as many here know, I am one of the biggest proponents... However, having used nutrients containing urea for many years I can attest that it is a relative non-issue for home distillation... My urea levels are at the lower side of normal for humans and I drink at least several ounces of my own spirits each and every day... In fact, you can drink your own urine for several days without crossing the danger threshold in survival situations so . . . . Now, drinking large volumes of urea-laden wash or beer on a regular basis might not be the best idea, however...
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OK yeah I understood it was quite s bad practice as is the stand elsewhere. I drank shine for many year that had urea in it and have been worried about that fact since being told thus.
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Ethyl Carbamate (Urethane) is a known carcinogen (Grade 2 carcinogen – known to produce 
cancer in primates. Recently regraded to the same level of threat as Arsenic and Mercury) 
It is produced in a reaction between urea and ethanol. The levels produced increase 
exponentially when the mixture is heated, particularly during distillation (the level of 
Urethane doubles with every 8oC increase in temperature.)


Ya thats enough to keep me from ever changing my mind about using yeast nutes. Good thing I never use them, ever, in anything. Fresh fruit, all grain mashes, and panela rum runs go off fine without anything added.
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Jimbo wrote:Ethyl Carbamate (Urethane) is a known carcinogen (Grade 2 carcinogen – known to produce 
cancer in primates. Recently regraded to the same level of threat as Arsenic and Mercury) 
It is produced in a reaction between urea and ethanol. The levels produced increase 
exponentially when the mixture is heated, particularly during distillation (the level of 
Urethane doubles with every 8oC increase in temperature.)


Ya thats enough to keep me from ever changing my mind about using yeast nutes. Good thing I never use them, ever, in anything. Fresh fruit, all grain mashes, and panela rum runs go off fine without anything added.
I had read this very quote somewhere after my first ferment or two. I have since shied away from products containing urea for my ferments, not because of the urea itself but because of the reaction with ethanol as described. You can get plain DAP with no urea added if you look around. Like Jimbo said though, use a healthy wash/mash and you don't need it. Cereal washes like Rad's All Bran have all the nutes needed if you use a good quality cereal.
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