Finley smelling Corn mash
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Finley smelling Corn mash
Hi all
I have a batch of "Indian head corn mash" on the go,
It is almost done fermenting but there is a funky smell
To it (when the air lock burps) should I strip the mash and see
What happens?
Thanks workpress
I have a batch of "Indian head corn mash" on the go,
It is almost done fermenting but there is a funky smell
To it (when the air lock burps) should I strip the mash and see
What happens?
Thanks workpress
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Re: Finley smelling Corn mash
Describe funky... baby shit?vomit?vinegar?
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Re: Finley smelling Corn mash
I want to say rotting corn like the bottom of the silo... it is a different smell not pleasant but sour yeast ...
sorry for the lack of description... but my airlock has been on for two weeks and it is burping every 15-20 min.
sorry for the lack of description... but my airlock has been on for two weeks and it is burping every 15-20 min.
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What's finley ?
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Finley should read Funky ( dang combinations of sausage
Fingers and auto correct)
Sorry
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Fingers and auto correct)
Sorry
Workpress
Re: funky smelling Corn mash
Hi all again
I removed the air lock and I can say it smells of
Vomit and shit mixed together but not vinegar
is it salvageable or is it a lost wash, or should I run it?
Workpress
I removed the air lock and I can say it smells of
Vomit and shit mixed together but not vinegar
is it salvageable or is it a lost wash, or should I run it?
Workpress
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Re: Finley smelling Corn mash
Don't have a clue what the hell auto correct is but I get what you're saying.workpress wrote:Finley should read Funky ( dang combinations of sausage
Fingers and auto correct)
Sorry
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It's when your smart phone thinks it's smarter than you are.Blarney Stoned wrote:Don't have a clue what the hell auto correct is but I get what you're saying.workpress wrote:Finley should read Funky ( dang combinations of sausage
Fingers and auto correct)
Sorry
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Re: Finley smelling Corn mash
If you can stand the smell then run it. If you can't then toss it.
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Run it and then you will be sure . Experience for the next situation .
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It has a lacto infection. This is a good thing as long as you don't run it until the vomit smell gets converted to something more like pineapple. If you run it too soon, you're stuck with it.
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Now that's something I missed . Not a hard thing for me to do given my ignorance .NZChris wrote:It has a lacto infection. This is a good thing as long as you don't run it until the vomit smell gets converted to something more like pineapple. If you run it too soon, you're stuck with it.
I've just always racked it into the boiler when I had time to run it .
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I clicked to see what finkey is
Depending on what bacterial strain(s) you've got, it might not be worth running. Some act quickly and convert all your sugars (and often residual starches) to acids and other compounds, robbing you of potential ethanol. I ran an overly soured beer I made once just for kicks and basically only got distilled lactic acid. Nothing was worth keeping from that batch. Try it if you like, maybe it'll be your best product ever.
Depending on what bacterial strain(s) you've got, it might not be worth running. Some act quickly and convert all your sugars (and often residual starches) to acids and other compounds, robbing you of potential ethanol. I ran an overly soured beer I made once just for kicks and basically only got distilled lactic acid. Nothing was worth keeping from that batch. Try it if you like, maybe it'll be your best product ever.
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Ok well I will wait it out and see if the vomit smell turns to pineapple
Thank you guys for the advice
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Thank you guys for the advice
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I guess I'd be more worried about the shit smell.workpress wrote:Ok well I will wait it out and see if the vomit smell turns to pineapple.
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if it makes you want to puke, i think you mean butyric infection...i have not had one since you gave me the same advice a couple years ago so i have not tried the fix of waiting it out. Butyric is vomit/shit smell.supposed to esterfy to pineapple. i think i read butterscotch too somewhere, but have not proved any of this yet. (other than the vomit smell!)NZChris wrote:It has a lacto infection. This is a good thing as long as you don't run it until the vomit smell gets converted to something more like pineapple. If you run it too soon, you're stuck with it.
lacto don't smell that bad, if it's a heavy infection maybe a bit of sour milk...maybe as bad as baby puke. i like to keep it going on my ferments when they have 2-3 days to go...it makes for fine whiskey imho. I try not to leave a lacto too long though, after a couple a weeks it seems to eat a fair amount of booze, the little pisstank bastids.
was the corn finely ground? may be mouldy corn if there was lots of big chunks and whole grains in there...just like a mouldy silo.
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Hello HDNB
The corn was ground to A consistency of coarse sand so there are no big chunks in it. Is there anything I can add to it or should I just wait it out? This is proving to be an interesting learning experience.
The corn was ground to A consistency of coarse sand so there are no big chunks in it. Is there anything I can add to it or should I just wait it out? This is proving to be an interesting learning experience.
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if it's lacto it will have a white dusty looking slime on top with big bubbles. best description i have read is "moonscape". just run it when it is done fermenting. it's awesome. there is lots of pictures on the forum, just search lacto.
if it's butyric, i did not see any signs, it just smelled so bad it made me want to puke. I had it twice, first time i distilled it and the puke came over to the product. i put it on oak for almost a year before it started to dissipate. it's now been 3 years and the bit i have left is treasured for blending (about an half ounce per gallon) it makes fantastic complex whiskey. (i got mine on Jimbo's all malt recipe)
the second one i threw out, before I got NZC's advice about waiting for the ferment to reabsorb the off smell/flavour (yes it tastes puke before it undergoes the ester transformation) so... if i get it again, i'm going to wait and see what happens like NZC sez...i'd run it and save it one way or the other though, knowing what i know now about what happens after about 1.5 years on oak.
if it's butyric, i did not see any signs, it just smelled so bad it made me want to puke. I had it twice, first time i distilled it and the puke came over to the product. i put it on oak for almost a year before it started to dissipate. it's now been 3 years and the bit i have left is treasured for blending (about an half ounce per gallon) it makes fantastic complex whiskey. (i got mine on Jimbo's all malt recipe)
the second one i threw out, before I got NZC's advice about waiting for the ferment to reabsorb the off smell/flavour (yes it tastes puke before it undergoes the ester transformation) so... if i get it again, i'm going to wait and see what happens like NZC sez...i'd run it and save it one way or the other though, knowing what i know now about what happens after about 1.5 years on oak.
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ha ha ha.
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run it
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run it
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Butyric acid isn't an infection. It's the result of an infection. Saccharomyces cerevisiae is reputed to be able to convert Butyric acid to methyl butyrate which has pineapple, apple, flavors if given a few days for that to happen. If the vomit smell is still there a week after the ferment goes dead, you might have a problem.
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Thank you for the good information. I will wait amd see if the vomit smell turns to something better lol
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It's actually some strains of brettanomyces that can convert butyric acid to ethyl butyrate, but it can take a lot longer than days and depending on how much of it you've got, might never fully convert. If it's slight, I'd pitch in a variety of brett and see what happens, otherwise, it's a dumper. Here's some more info from a brewing wiki: http://www.milkthefunk.com/wiki/Butyric_Acid" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow
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And thats why i always pay attention to your posts NZC! I actually knew that but did not recall all the details to make my post technically correct.NZChris wrote:Butyric acid isn't an infection. It's the result of an infection. Saccharomyces cerevisiae is reputed to be able to convert Butyric acid to methyl butyrate which has pineapple, apple, flavors if given a few days for that to happen. If the vomit smell is still there a week after the ferment goes dead, you might have a problem.
Thanks for that!
the point of my post was a little stinky baby puke sour milk smell (lacto) has really made an improvement on my whiskey and i encourage it.
Butyric acid in a ferment will rize your bile...it's effing awful. I almost puked myself just walking in the door of the shed, 20 feet from the pail.
alcohol itself will also convert the butyric, but takes lots of time, as evidenced by the slow conversion of the gallon of jimbo's all malt has shown. actually had a sommelier guy over yesterday, he has been training on whiskey and he absolutely fell in love with that infected all malt, over all the other samples i gave him. (didn't have the heart to tell him how it ended up being created)
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I regret not knowing this stuff thirty years ago when I poured my first AG corn likker into the compost.
One of my UJSSMs has a hint of it and is very nice. It must be well to the back of the cellar, I haven't tasted it for a while.
One of my UJSSMs has a hint of it and is very nice. It must be well to the back of the cellar, I haven't tasted it for a while.
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Wow holy crap the vomit-shit mix smell has changed into something with sweet notes a pineapple hint and stinky cheese.
I am going to distill it in a stripping run and then I want to use the backset for a second generation to create a sour mash.... I just have to look over my notes to see what I need to do
I am excited thank you all for your insight and advice
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I am going to distill it in a stripping run and then I want to use the backset for a second generation to create a sour mash.... I just have to look over my notes to see what I need to do
I am excited thank you all for your insight and advice
Workpress
Re: Finley smelling Corn mash
Because it is a flavored product, keep stripping until the total collection is below 40% rather than stopping high, leaving good flavor in the backset, then adding water to dilute. Some here go below 30%.
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Bad news... my second generation is gone it had a slight vomit smell, or so I thought... my wife she thought the dog puked in the kitchen and realised where the vomitus zephyr was coming from and she DUMPED IT oh I am sad
sadly I will have to start over
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sadly I will have to start over
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workpress wrote:my wife she thought the dog puked in the kitchen and realised where the vomitus zephyr was coming from and she DUMPED IT oh I am sad
Are you still friends.. LOL
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That's annoying
So how did the first lot turn out ?
So how did the first lot turn out ?
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Yes we are still friends, so I started again... Hopefully this one will not get an infection and smell like vomit.
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