My First Still, Big learning curve
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My First Still, Big learning curve
Hey there HD folks,
First I would like to say that this site is amazin! Man the wealth of knowledge from you cats is overwhelming, but truly appreciated!
So i have been on here reading and going over thread after thread after thread for about 4 weeks now, and as of yesterday i built my first still... well just about done anyway .
I went fairly small to start with the thought in mind already of making a keg still this summer (when i can acquire one) Went with a 18 liter SS stock pot (biggest one i could order for 24$ and have shipped to the cold north). Any bigger and i was looking at over 100$, i figured for my first time around lets learn some stuff and keep it cheap. My first draw up i did was from a design i got from one of you cats. It incorporated a SS sink strainer and 1.5" riser to a 90 elbow - reduced to 1/2" to a 45 connected a 31" liebig condenser... well the water jacket is 23".
My concern was 2 fold with this design - 1 was the strenght of my lid and all the weight from he 1.5" - 2 was my abilities lol. I am no fabricator and i have never solderd a joint in my life... but hey, There is a first time for everthing. Well i racked my brain for the last week trying to decide what to do, went to my local hardware store to see what was available, even drove a hour to another towns hardware store to see what i could see. I know by reading on here that a bigger diameter is better but i did see alot of smaller builds with 3/4" or even just 1/2" lyne off of the lid or bowl. So i used what i had readily a available and what i felt i might have a little more success in fabricating. 3/4" male copper threaded fitting through a hole i cut with a step bit and lots of cutting fluid. Used 3 copper washers to build a shoulder on the fitting a soldered these together connected to a 3/4" female. From there went 3/4" x 12" to a 3/4" tee. One side reduces down to 1/2" and the other is cork with a thermometer in it. 1/2" 45 to a 1/2" x 28". 3/4" jacket with 3/4" - 1/2" tee x 2. The condenser is connected with 1/2 female to male copper fitting.
Everything is Stainless Steel and Copper. Figure i can seal the threaded fittings with flower past. Still have to try this lol. From what you guys say teflon tape is ok to use, but i figured try the tried and true paste and see how it goes. Did a vinegar and water soak, did a cleaning run and check for leaks, and did a 10 liter birdwatchers as my sacrificial run on Monday... took me about 4 hours to do it but i will get more into that later.
This might be a lot of rambling and useless info but i am just pumped. Learned a whole bunch in the last 4 weeks and sooo much more to learn with this hobby. I mean how awesome is it that i soldered copper pipes and made something today! Lets just hope it works hahaha. But hey if there are issues im just gonna learn from them correct it and keep learning!
Its not big or fancy but its a start. See anything wrong or have any suggestions please let me know the good and bad... im just starting on this journey and the learning curve is grand, input from you who are on the same point of this curve or from you old timers who are on the other side of the learning curve is welcome!
Again great forum and good times!
First I would like to say that this site is amazin! Man the wealth of knowledge from you cats is overwhelming, but truly appreciated!
So i have been on here reading and going over thread after thread after thread for about 4 weeks now, and as of yesterday i built my first still... well just about done anyway .
I went fairly small to start with the thought in mind already of making a keg still this summer (when i can acquire one) Went with a 18 liter SS stock pot (biggest one i could order for 24$ and have shipped to the cold north). Any bigger and i was looking at over 100$, i figured for my first time around lets learn some stuff and keep it cheap. My first draw up i did was from a design i got from one of you cats. It incorporated a SS sink strainer and 1.5" riser to a 90 elbow - reduced to 1/2" to a 45 connected a 31" liebig condenser... well the water jacket is 23".
My concern was 2 fold with this design - 1 was the strenght of my lid and all the weight from he 1.5" - 2 was my abilities lol. I am no fabricator and i have never solderd a joint in my life... but hey, There is a first time for everthing. Well i racked my brain for the last week trying to decide what to do, went to my local hardware store to see what was available, even drove a hour to another towns hardware store to see what i could see. I know by reading on here that a bigger diameter is better but i did see alot of smaller builds with 3/4" or even just 1/2" lyne off of the lid or bowl. So i used what i had readily a available and what i felt i might have a little more success in fabricating. 3/4" male copper threaded fitting through a hole i cut with a step bit and lots of cutting fluid. Used 3 copper washers to build a shoulder on the fitting a soldered these together connected to a 3/4" female. From there went 3/4" x 12" to a 3/4" tee. One side reduces down to 1/2" and the other is cork with a thermometer in it. 1/2" 45 to a 1/2" x 28". 3/4" jacket with 3/4" - 1/2" tee x 2. The condenser is connected with 1/2 female to male copper fitting.
Everything is Stainless Steel and Copper. Figure i can seal the threaded fittings with flower past. Still have to try this lol. From what you guys say teflon tape is ok to use, but i figured try the tried and true paste and see how it goes. Did a vinegar and water soak, did a cleaning run and check for leaks, and did a 10 liter birdwatchers as my sacrificial run on Monday... took me about 4 hours to do it but i will get more into that later.
This might be a lot of rambling and useless info but i am just pumped. Learned a whole bunch in the last 4 weeks and sooo much more to learn with this hobby. I mean how awesome is it that i soldered copper pipes and made something today! Lets just hope it works hahaha. But hey if there are issues im just gonna learn from them correct it and keep learning!
Its not big or fancy but its a start. See anything wrong or have any suggestions please let me know the good and bad... im just starting on this journey and the learning curve is grand, input from you who are on the same point of this curve or from you old timers who are on the other side of the learning curve is welcome!
Again great forum and good times!
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Re: My First Still, Big learning curve
Looks pretty good to me. You can use flour paste but it is messy and the teflon tape route is perfectly fine also. I was looking at where the handle is riveted through the lid . Check those to see if they are stainless rivets or aluminum. use something sharp to scratch them . aluminum will scratch much easier and deeper than stainless. If they are you may want to remove them and seal the holes with solder or a stainless screw as the aluminum will react with the hot alcohol vapors in the pot, potentially leaching chemicals into the wash. Also make sure the cork that holds your thermometer is natural cork not a synthetic cork . Next build you might want to bring your coolant lines for the liebeg in from the bottom , they will be more manageable and out of the way. You should be able to learn a lot running it, congratulations.
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Re: My First Still, Big learning curve
Good starter setup . Heed what Corene has to say . She has taught many of us how to walk the walk .
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Re: My First Still, Big learning curve
Thanks Corene1,corene1 wrote:Looks pretty good to me. You can use flour paste but it is messy and the teflon tape route is perfectly fine also. I was looking at where the handle is riveted through the lid . Check those to see if they are stainless rivets or aluminum. use something sharp to scratch them . aluminum will scratch much easier and deeper than stainless. If they are you may want to remove them and seal the holes with solder or a stainless screw as the aluminum will react with the hot alcohol vapors in the pot, potentially leaching chemicals into the wash. Also make sure the cork that holds your thermometer is natural cork not a synthetic cork . Next build you might want to bring your coolant lines for the liebeg in from the bottom , they will be more manageable and out of the way. You should be able to learn a lot running it, congratulations.
When doing my sacrifice run I used flower paste to seal the lid and the threaded joints. Man that stuff works awesome, i might have used too much on the lip of the lid. When i took the lid off i found it had swelled on the inside and was sticky from the Vapour. Are there any concerns about the paste falling in the wash?
Good point on the cork aswell! Luckily I caught that before i ran my sacrifice run, i had 2 different bags of cork for my wine bottles. One is cork pieces that look to be pressed together and i am sure glued (thats the one you can see in the pic) the others are one piece natural cork. I cut 2 apart to see the insides, i could see some of the grain that cork can have is visible and they look like solid cork.
When i ran this set up I actually had the coolent lines pointing towards the back not straight up, but this means i dont have 45 degree angle. It still seemed to work well and the hose didn't put downward pressue on the thin pot lid. Great point on this and Next one i build will for sure be pointed down, and chances are i will also solder the liedeg to the column instead of having the threaded copper fittings.
I didn't even see or think about the rivets, i will definitely check them tonight when i get home! That picture sure does look like aluminum. Can't believe I didn't notice that!
Thanks for the pointers. I will post some picks of my first run later today.
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Re: My First Still, Big learning curve
Looks great !
Cork can also be a bit porous to gas, I have a similar thermo port and I seal the cork with a full coating of flour paste down the sides and onto the copper.
I've never noticed any prob with a little of that gooey paste getting into the boiler, although obviously the less the better.
Look forward to hearing about your first tasting !
Cork can also be a bit porous to gas, I have a similar thermo port and I seal the cork with a full coating of flour paste down the sides and onto the copper.
I've never noticed any prob with a little of that gooey paste getting into the boiler, although obviously the less the better.
Look forward to hearing about your first tasting !
Re: My First Still, Big learning curve
If more people started with a similar set up I think they'd all have a much better experience. Good job
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Re: My First Still, Big learning curve
It works great! 4 runs in so far, all from my wine recipes. Man this hoby is awesome. I have lots of pics and details form my first run. I will put together a post of it an the little i have learned sofar!
I see now why all you experienced guys say that a thermometer is not necessarily required...
I see now why all you experienced guys say that a thermometer is not necessarily required...
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Re: My First Still, Big learning curve
The still is strong in this one.
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Cranky's Spoon Feeding For The New Folk
My "Still Tutorial" CM w/PP mods
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Re: My First Still, Big learning curve
Pikey said, "I've never noticed any prob with a little of that gooey paste getting into the boiler".
As a baker for many years I do not use a gooey paste of flour and water.
I use less water, knead it as a soft dough for a while, then form it into a rope and put that where the seal is needed. I find that a lot , maybe not easier but more natural...Certainly less messy.
Some could still get into the still but that would not matter.
Geoff
As a baker for many years I do not use a gooey paste of flour and water.
I use less water, knead it as a soft dough for a while, then form it into a rope and put that where the seal is needed. I find that a lot , maybe not easier but more natural...Certainly less messy.
Some could still get into the still but that would not matter.
Geoff
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Re: My First Still, Big learning curve
Nice starter setup! I like it, as a matter of fact I'm going to make a small one in the near future for small batches of brandy and experimental batches.
The paste is a great way to seal and I still use it on some of my joints and for the lid on my thumper. I do use a piece of copper sheet (16oz) wrapped in Teflon tape for my seal to my keg.
I may copy your design, it looks very simple and effective.
Great job, enjoy the rabbit hole.
Shine0n
The paste is a great way to seal and I still use it on some of my joints and for the lid on my thumper. I do use a piece of copper sheet (16oz) wrapped in Teflon tape for my seal to my keg.
I may copy your design, it looks very simple and effective.
Great job, enjoy the rabbit hole.
Shine0n