First Batch
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First Batch
Hi,
This is my first time distilling.
I have been reading this forum and others before doing my first run the other night.
Did a 20 L beer wash fermented for 14 days.
Still used is a 30 L SOLDERED MOONSHINE STILL STARTER KIT.
The Mash was 2 x Beer Kits from Super Store plus two Campaign Yeast Lalvin EC 1118 and 5 kg of sugar. Tastes Carmel and Marshmallow quite pleasant. It isn't smooth but doesn't rip the guts out of you.
Why this recipe not really sure seemed easy. This is my first run ever. I got a bit concerned that nothing was happening and increased the heat which I think I ran the Foreshots into the Heads.
What do I do with this?
1- I opened the lids and aired for 24 hrs and it does smell cleaner a bit still pretty raw when I drink. Does it need to be cured with wood chip and or in Kegs to give more taste and mellow out.
2- Do I just mix the 5 middle jars mix together and water down to 40% and drink.
3- Do a 2nd run - if I do this do I add 20 litres of water and redistill.
I sound uncertain and I am.
Cheers, Peter.
This is my first time distilling.
I have been reading this forum and others before doing my first run the other night.
Did a 20 L beer wash fermented for 14 days.
Still used is a 30 L SOLDERED MOONSHINE STILL STARTER KIT.
The Mash was 2 x Beer Kits from Super Store plus two Campaign Yeast Lalvin EC 1118 and 5 kg of sugar. Tastes Carmel and Marshmallow quite pleasant. It isn't smooth but doesn't rip the guts out of you.
Why this recipe not really sure seemed easy. This is my first run ever. I got a bit concerned that nothing was happening and increased the heat which I think I ran the Foreshots into the Heads.
What do I do with this?
1- I opened the lids and aired for 24 hrs and it does smell cleaner a bit still pretty raw when I drink. Does it need to be cured with wood chip and or in Kegs to give more taste and mellow out.
2- Do I just mix the 5 middle jars mix together and water down to 40% and drink.
3- Do a 2nd run - if I do this do I add 20 litres of water and redistill.
I sound uncertain and I am.
Cheers, Peter.
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Re: First Batch
everyone makes mistakes, in this forum, you can read so much before you have nothing left but to do.
This is your first run, don't sweat it to much eh
Take a small bottle 8-18ishounces (200-500ml) and put some in there and tuck it away. (in 1 year take it tout and appreciate how far you have come)
as for the rest either re-run it, Macerate something in it (i Highly recommend the strawberry panty dropper or just a couple of vanilla beans)
or save it for later and re run it with some other stuff you have
Don't worry your doing fine, the first one is always the scariest/makes you the most nervous.
Just trust yourself, and slowly you will learn how your still works, what recipe is good and all that.
don't expect to be a pro in a week, heck i'm 6 years in and could barely call myself a level 2 aprentice (I still make some good stuff that people can attest is better that low cost commercial stuff)
and remember, don't be greedy, I keep about 40-60% of my total collections, which for me is 4 bottles at the start, and 3-4 bottles at the end, but you get that with practise and knowing your still
keep up the good work
This is your first run, don't sweat it to much eh
Take a small bottle 8-18ishounces (200-500ml) and put some in there and tuck it away. (in 1 year take it tout and appreciate how far you have come)
as for the rest either re-run it, Macerate something in it (i Highly recommend the strawberry panty dropper or just a couple of vanilla beans)
or save it for later and re run it with some other stuff you have
Don't worry your doing fine, the first one is always the scariest/makes you the most nervous.
Just trust yourself, and slowly you will learn how your still works, what recipe is good and all that.
don't expect to be a pro in a week, heck i'm 6 years in and could barely call myself a level 2 aprentice (I still make some good stuff that people can attest is better that low cost commercial stuff)
and remember, don't be greedy, I keep about 40-60% of my total collections, which for me is 4 bottles at the start, and 3-4 bottles at the end, but you get that with practise and knowing your still
keep up the good work
Re: First Batch
Thanks for the encouragement.
I will save a bit just because and will do a rerun
Cheers
I will save a bit just because and will do a rerun
Cheers
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Re: First Batch
Great advice there, pounsfos.
Peter,
Looking at your collection jars, I'd take the first two jars and the last three as feints for rerunning. Then, I'd take the middle three (which would average 120 proof) and either use "white" in a flavored spirit, like a pantydropper or apple pie, or (my preference) would put it "on wood"...put some toasted & charred oak chunks into the jar and age. It will make you a fine "first effort" whiskey that you'll prize.
ss
Peter,
Looking at your collection jars, I'd take the first two jars and the last three as feints for rerunning. Then, I'd take the middle three (which would average 120 proof) and either use "white" in a flavored spirit, like a pantydropper or apple pie, or (my preference) would put it "on wood"...put some toasted & charred oak chunks into the jar and age. It will make you a fine "first effort" whiskey that you'll prize.
ss
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Re: First Batch
still hits it on the head. save the middles. i still remember my first run. made apple pie with them. was a huge hit with friends and family. best part was i saved a pint and a year later pulled it out. you'll be amazed how far you'll come
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post your still pics here
http://homedistiller.org/forum/viewtopi ... 16&t=66917
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http://homedistiller.org/forum/viewtopi ... 16&t=66917
Re: First Batch
On all your recommendations I'm going save a small amount to try in a year.
The Middles I'm going to age with toasted and charred oak as as " still_stirrin " suggests.
Thanks again all,
Your help is confidence inspiring.
The Middles I'm going to age with toasted and charred oak as as " still_stirrin " suggests.
Thanks again all,
Your help is confidence inspiring.
Re: First Batch
Hi Picpete,
I also come along way from what you are describing now, do not worry at all, one day will come and when you look back and the product in front of you, you will realize how much you accomplished, so it will really make a difference, so please do not be hard on yourself, give yourself time, read the forum, especially use the "Google Search" I will describe how I do it, after using many washes I settled with All-Bran wash, believe me it will make a huge difference if you are after a neutral product, anyway firt I run it in my potstill for the stripping run also add some copper scrubbers to catch a little bit of sulpur that is in the wash I do not make any cuts here so after that My wash from 25lt becomes 5 lt it is a ways to take the wash volume down and you are left with a clear product around 40-50 ABV% generally it does not have a pleasant smell
leave it for a day and next day I start my spirit run, 5 litres of %50 ABV + 3.3 lts of water which will take me down to %30 ABV why because there is a danger with charging the boiler with more than 40% ABV so keep that in mind also, Also make sure that your total volume in the boiler should not exceed 7/8 you have to leave some room, anyway my still is a CCVM so I take it to full reflux nowadays for 30 minutes then I slowly raise the rc, and start collecting, but also need to mention the importance to take OG and FG readings with these you will know how much Alcohol in there and make your calculation accordingly lets say out of 8.3 lt you know that you have 2.5 lt to collect
then it becomes easier, I can give you a rough estimation 3% foreshots + 17% Heads + 60% Hearts + 20% Tails, but do not rely on that this is a rough estimation, always collect at small jars the smaller the better, than aerate for a day and taste the next day, then decide which ones to keep, this is how I do it but please read the forum there is very good information almost about anything and any situation faced, I am sure you will do very good in time, I have also come a long way got much help, thanks to this forum and people which I would not be at this level today. Always hope for the best.
I also come along way from what you are describing now, do not worry at all, one day will come and when you look back and the product in front of you, you will realize how much you accomplished, so it will really make a difference, so please do not be hard on yourself, give yourself time, read the forum, especially use the "Google Search" I will describe how I do it, after using many washes I settled with All-Bran wash, believe me it will make a huge difference if you are after a neutral product, anyway firt I run it in my potstill for the stripping run also add some copper scrubbers to catch a little bit of sulpur that is in the wash I do not make any cuts here so after that My wash from 25lt becomes 5 lt it is a ways to take the wash volume down and you are left with a clear product around 40-50 ABV% generally it does not have a pleasant smell
leave it for a day and next day I start my spirit run, 5 litres of %50 ABV + 3.3 lts of water which will take me down to %30 ABV why because there is a danger with charging the boiler with more than 40% ABV so keep that in mind also, Also make sure that your total volume in the boiler should not exceed 7/8 you have to leave some room, anyway my still is a CCVM so I take it to full reflux nowadays for 30 minutes then I slowly raise the rc, and start collecting, but also need to mention the importance to take OG and FG readings with these you will know how much Alcohol in there and make your calculation accordingly lets say out of 8.3 lt you know that you have 2.5 lt to collect
then it becomes easier, I can give you a rough estimation 3% foreshots + 17% Heads + 60% Hearts + 20% Tails, but do not rely on that this is a rough estimation, always collect at small jars the smaller the better, than aerate for a day and taste the next day, then decide which ones to keep, this is how I do it but please read the forum there is very good information almost about anything and any situation faced, I am sure you will do very good in time, I have also come a long way got much help, thanks to this forum and people which I would not be at this level today. Always hope for the best.
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Re: First Batch
Nicely put pounsfospounsfos wrote:everyone makes mistakes, in this forum, you can read so much before you have nothing left but to do.
This is your first run, don't sweat it to much eh
Id look at that as a sort of a practice run keep the 2 middle jars and toss the 3 at each end into the feints container. Your pretty sure to have hearts only then. No need to be greedy.
Cut the keeper jars back to 60-65 and oak them ...or keep them white and dilute to 40-45%abv and drink them.
If you can, use smaller jars next time, that will make it easier for you to learn the different smells and tastes that you are looking for when you make cuts.
Remember to air your cuts before making any judgements on whats good or bad. Some will say 24 hours , many that I know will air for longer.
Re: First Batch
Your story makes me remember my first run!
Or every first, for that matter.
Point is: your attitude is promising: careful and curious trying. Wanting to know and open for comment. You'll get there!
Edit:
Oh, by the way: I did not still a beer, but read some about the nasty taste of hops.
Or every first, for that matter.
Point is: your attitude is promising: careful and curious trying. Wanting to know and open for comment. You'll get there!
Edit:
Oh, by the way: I did not still a beer, but read some about the nasty taste of hops.
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Re: First Batch
+1 on Kareltje - You can get LME Without hops ! - I use Coopers but I'm sure there are others.Kareltje wrote:
....Point is: your attitude is promising: careful and curious trying. Wanting to know and open for comment. You'll get there!
Edit:
Oh, by the way: I did not still a beer, but read some about the nasty taste of hops.
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Re: First Batch
I was just wondering, you say this is your first distillation ,have you done your cleaning runs and sacrificial run prior to this run . If not don't drink the liquor as it will have trace elements from the fabrication in it.
Re: First Batch
How To Clean A Still
1) Clean all parts, and soak in vinegar water solution.
First: Water. Fill your still 3/4 full and attach colum,cap,riser, and your condenser,worm,Liebig,shotgun,or other. Do not supply cooling water yet. Bring water to a boil until you get steam blowing out of your condenser,let steam blow for 15-20 minutes at full heat, then turn on condenser cooling water or fill flake stand. Let run about an hour.
Second: Vinegar and water mixed half and half,fill boiler half way and follow directions for first step.
Third: Sacrificial alcohol. Sacrificial means it gets dumped out when your done. NO EXCEPTIONS!!! I recommend that you use a tomato paste sugar wash for this step as it is cheaper than box wine or cheap vodka. Add wash to boiler TURN CONDENSER WATER ON!!! Turn heat on, wait untill it starts to flow,don't get So excited that you taste this alcohol,collect all distillate down to about twenty proof, then DUMP THE ALCOHOL OUT!!! DON'T KEEP THE BACKSET EITHER!!! Dump or drain boiler,rinse boiler,inside cap,column,or riser and inside condenser with water only and allow to drain dry.Repeat as necessary. Remember,it ain't clean untill it is clean.
1) Clean all parts, and soak in vinegar water solution.
First: Water. Fill your still 3/4 full and attach colum,cap,riser, and your condenser,worm,Liebig,shotgun,or other. Do not supply cooling water yet. Bring water to a boil until you get steam blowing out of your condenser,let steam blow for 15-20 minutes at full heat, then turn on condenser cooling water or fill flake stand. Let run about an hour.
Second: Vinegar and water mixed half and half,fill boiler half way and follow directions for first step.
Third: Sacrificial alcohol. Sacrificial means it gets dumped out when your done. NO EXCEPTIONS!!! I recommend that you use a tomato paste sugar wash for this step as it is cheaper than box wine or cheap vodka. Add wash to boiler TURN CONDENSER WATER ON!!! Turn heat on, wait untill it starts to flow,don't get So excited that you taste this alcohol,collect all distillate down to about twenty proof, then DUMP THE ALCOHOL OUT!!! DON'T KEEP THE BACKSET EITHER!!! Dump or drain boiler,rinse boiler,inside cap,column,or riser and inside condenser with water only and allow to drain dry.Repeat as necessary. Remember,it ain't clean untill it is clean.
Re: First Batch
I thought I cleaned the Still according to the manufactures instructions.
Scrubed clean.
Then ran water with Rye flour for 60 minutes and had a thin Rye gruel worked its way through the system for 40 to 45 minutes.
I then ran the above batch after cleaning the Still thoroughly.
I hope this suffices.
Also thanks to all for the information. Just sitting back and digesting the volumes of information before I act.
cheers,
Peter
Scrubed clean.
Then ran water with Rye flour for 60 minutes and had a thin Rye gruel worked its way through the system for 40 to 45 minutes.
I then ran the above batch after cleaning the Still thoroughly.
I hope this suffices.
Also thanks to all for the information. Just sitting back and digesting the volumes of information before I act.
cheers,
Peter
Re: First Batch
Hi Picpete,
It just takes some time and experience to really understand things related with distillary, I am sure you will do great just read as much as you can it will really benefit your understanding. Safety is probably the most important thing in this hobby, like properly cleaning the still with a 3 step procedure, also not using any kind of plastics, your gaskets also need to be either flour gasket or PTFE gasket, anything other than these 2 are not acceptable, also properly cleaning your packing is important, after every run I clean my still with water, just rinse them and dry them so please read more about these subjects as well.
Take Care
It just takes some time and experience to really understand things related with distillary, I am sure you will do great just read as much as you can it will really benefit your understanding. Safety is probably the most important thing in this hobby, like properly cleaning the still with a 3 step procedure, also not using any kind of plastics, your gaskets also need to be either flour gasket or PTFE gasket, anything other than these 2 are not acceptable, also properly cleaning your packing is important, after every run I clean my still with water, just rinse them and dry them so please read more about these subjects as well.
Take Care
Re: First Batch
Hi Artooks,
I appreciate the heads up.
Cheers
I appreciate the heads up.
Cheers