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Re: email from Brewhaus

Postby nabtastic » Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:39 pm

Highrisen wrote:
Speshel Ed wrote:I'm not an attorney but I do hear on the news about some lower court overturning some ruling and sending whatever measure back up the foodchain to higher courts for reconsideration... what if someone were to begin litigation against the state laws in their local superior court? Lawyers are handy for more than divorces and personal matters... Once it's on the docket, it becomes an official matter they can't just toss in the trash. Perhaps this is a misguided exercise in futility. Is there an attorney out there in the forum that could advise on the merits of such an approach?


This is actually a great approach. Thing is, people with enough money to spare to hire lawyers to work their way up through the courts usually just get their liquor from the store.


Haha so true, yet, as a distiller whom routinely gives tours to a wide variety of guest (national and international) I can say that there is a ton of interest across the board. Most people that I've talked to really just want to try it and see if they can make it. Like home brewers, most will continue to buy the majority of their alcohol they just want to expirement. I garden for example - I like watching the transformation from an inedible seed to a delicious meal - but I still buy 95% of my groceries. I would love to seek legal council on this matter. At any rate, the laws need to be updated because they were designed to keep big business from cheating taxes and really had nothing to do with home distillers (aside from GW's infamous Whiskey Riots)
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Re: email from Brewhaus

Postby stillin » Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:36 pm

John Barleycorn has a great document over on the Brewhaus forum that he's finalized for anyone interested in sending it too your politicians. Very well written, about as professional as you can get IMO. I am sending it to my state congressman and senators, maybe representatives too if postage doesn't get to high along with a formal letter. I encourage everyone here do the same.
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Re: email from Brewhaus

Postby LWTCS » Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:52 pm

nabtastic wrote:Haha so true, yet, as a distiller whom routinely gives tours to a wide variety of guest (national and international) I can say that there is a ton of interest across the board. Most people that I've talked to really just want to try it and see if they can make it. Like home brewers, most will continue to buy the majority of their alcohol they just want to expirement. I garden for example - I like watching the transformation from an inedible seed to a delicious meal - but I still buy 95% of my groceries. I would love to seek legal council on this matter. At any rate, the laws need to be updated because they were designed to keep big business from cheating taxes and really had nothing to do with home distillers (aside from GW's infamous Whiskey Riots)


Really good point.
And lets face it,,,,,,spirit sales are up across the board.
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Re: email from Brewhaus

Postby coaldust1 » Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:39 pm

Never in my wildest dreams did I expect to see the amount of replies and views to the original post. 632 replies and over 37,000 views!!
I finally got my kit from Brewhaus in june and have 10gals of mash going on my first run.
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Re: email from Brewhaus

Postby Doogie » Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:54 pm

nabtastic wrote:Haha so true, yet, as a distiller whom routinely gives tours to a wide variety of guest (national and international) I can say that there is a ton of interest across the board. Most people that I've talked to really just want to try it and see if they can make it. Like home brewers, most will continue to buy the majority of their alcohol they just want to expirement. I garden for example - I like watching the transformation from an inedible seed to a delicious meal - but I still buy 95% of my groceries. I would love to seek legal council on this matter. At any rate, the laws need to be updated because they were designed to keep big business from cheating taxes and really had nothing to do with home distillers (aside from GW's infamous Whiskey Riots)

I am in that boat - I love to share my likker with friends, family, I really like making it, but while my "bonded" likker purchases are way down, I do still partake in commercial likker. Since I do not share their equiptment, nor their aging time, while I may dislike their cuts, I can appreciate a really good bottle. Instead now, I buy a really nice bottle as a treat once in a while, and let my likker maintain my liver's current workload and endurance training program :shock: :lolno:
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Re: email from Brewhaus

Postby nabtastic » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:46 pm

I am in that boat - I love to share my likker with friends, family, I really like making it, but while my "bonded" likker purchases are way down, I do still partake in commercial likker. Since I do not share their equiptment, nor their aging time, while I may dislike their cuts, I can appreciate a really good bottle. Instead now, I buy a really nice bottle as a treat once in a while, and let my likker maintain my liver's current workload and endurance training program :shock: :lolno:[/quote]

HAHAHA! it's important to keep the body in peak physical condition - lest some college punk try and show you up :lol:
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Re: email from Brewhaus

Postby jarheadshiner » Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:22 pm

Speshel Ed wrote:Update... no response from my congressman to my letter on legalizing home distilling. He responded to my inquiry about the NSA and Snowden *the very next day*. Thinking I probably got a form letter written by an intern to a popular inquiry. Something out of left field like home hobby distilling probably got tossed in the circular file. Guess I don't represent a large enough voting block, rich enough corporation, or whatever turns the cranks of politics. I'm hoping (lots of) you guys took that letter and sent them to your local representatives.. All it takes is one representative to get talking to others about this in a positive way to turn the tide in our favor. Maybe sending a copy to the white house in addition to your local representative might do the trick? I don't know what buttons to push so try pushing all of them?

Well I used your letter with some minor editing to the marijuana portion and I finally got a response.

Thank you for contacting me to express your concerns about the Federal regulation of home distilled spirits. I appreciate having the benefit of your views.
Please be assured that I understand your position on this matter and will keep your views in mind should related legislation come before the U.S. House of Representatives for consideration.

With warm regards, I am
Sincerely,
Nick J. Rahall, II
Member of Congress

A bit of politician BS. Never really said that he agreed but at least it's something. Any ideas for a follow-up?
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Re: email from Brewhaus

Postby LWTCS » Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:48 pm

At least it is in his ear now and more chatter may very well develop as time passes.
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Re: email from Brewhaus

Postby blind drunk » Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:56 pm

Thank you for contacting me to express your concerns about the Federal regulation of home distilled spirits. I appreciate having the benefit of your views.
Please be assured that I understand your position on this matter and will keep your views in mind should related legislation come before the U.S. House of Representatives for consideration.


blah, blah, blah ... blah, blah :roll:
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Re: email from Brewhaus

Postby Jimbo » Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:57 pm

blind drunk wrote:blah, blah, blah ... blah, blah :roll:


haha, thats kinda what I thought too....
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Re: email from Brewhaus

Postby jarheadshiner » Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:27 pm

LWTCS wrote:At least it is in his ear now and more chatter may very well develop as time passes.

Hope so Larry, but ain't holding my breath.
blind drunk wrote:
blah, blah, blah ... blah, blah :roll:

Pretty much
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Re: email from Brewhaus

Postby cornsqueezer » Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:59 am

1000 letters later his story might change hopefully.
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Re: email from Brewhaus

Postby Oxbo Rene » Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:06 am

The man never seen your letter ! !
That was his secretary sending standard BS reply to all you kooks ! ! ! ! LOL.......
He was out golfing with his buddies, tryin to make some points for himself ! ! !
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Re: email from Brewhaus

Postby blind drunk » Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:03 pm

cornsqueezer wrote:1000 letters later his story might change hopefully.


that ... and a couple million bucks :problem:
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Re: email from Brewhaus

Postby Highrisen » Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:12 pm

Dont know how far it would go but I found the "official" online petition website. There is no active petition regarding home distilling, moonshine, etc. Maybe we should start one...

Anyone over the age of 13 (and Im assuming a US citizen) can create a petition. It can be sent to friends and posted on social networks like Facebook. If it reaches 150 signatures in the first 30 days it will be posted on the website below where it can be searched and seen by the public on the website below.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions
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Re: email from Brewhaus

Postby Highrisen » Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:29 pm

Highrisen wrote:Dont know how far it would go but I found the "official" online petition website. There is no active petition regarding home distilling, moonshine, etc. Maybe we should start one...

Anyone over the age of 13 (and Im assuming a US citizen) can create a petition. It can be sent to friends and posted on social networks like Facebook. If it reaches 150 signatures in the first 30 days it will be posted on the website below where it can be searched and seen by the public on the website below.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions



Oh yeah, once it becomes available on the site it needs 100,000 signatures within the next 30 days.
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Re: email from Brewhaus

Postby Paracelsus » Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:12 am

Highrisen wrote:Oh yeah, once it becomes available on the site it needs 100,000 signatures within the next 30 days.


Some folks from this forum tried this back when the requirement was only 1,000 signatures to get a response and it got all of ~70. People and their stupid Death Star petition ruined this system for everyone.
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Re: email from Brewhaus

Postby guittarmaster » Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:29 am

Paracelsus wrote:
Highrisen wrote:Oh yeah, once it becomes available on the site it needs 100,000 signatures within the next 30 days.


Some folks from this forum tried this back when the requirement was only 1,000 signatures to get a response and it got all of ~70. People and their stupid Death Star petition ruined this system for everyone.



damnit! I've been over this before. If we dont' build a death star how can i ever realize my potential of being a Judi Master and blow it up? huh? Think about my destiny!

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Seriously though. I tried that before. If we try that we'd need to organize seriously. This would involve forming aprtnerships wtih the other distilling forums. Then we'd need to recruit/partner with the brewers and the wine makers on their forums and get them educated on distilling. It would also help to get a nice high-quality Youtube channel/ vlogger who can promote the hobby without making us look like thos idiotic shirtless tickel-ers. And maybe say something about some of the faux-reality distilling shows on youtube too.

Nobody will give a shit about legalization untill we have a reasonably good looking stand-up, smooth talking distiller putting himself out there in a professional mannor.
Like the youtuber guy who did the two part scotch whiskey with the stilldragon flute vs that discovery show. know what I mean? Personally I like the idea of a distillers version of "Brewing TV" (check it out on youtube.)

In short. We need a poster-child and more supporters than just us on this forum to make it happen.
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Re: email from Brewhaus

Postby blind drunk » Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:11 am

Also ad all the legitimate home still manufacturers.
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Re: email from Brewhaus

Postby Paracelsus » Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:25 am

guittarmaster wrote:Nobody will give a shit about legalization untill we have a reasonably good looking stand-up, smooth talking distiller putting himself out there in a professional mannor.
Like the youtuber guy who did the two part scotch whiskey with the stilldragon flute vs that discovery show. know what I mean? Personally I like the idea of a distillers version of "Brewing TV" (check it out on youtube.)

In short. We need a poster-child and more supporters than just us on this forum to make it happen.


Love the idea, but its going to have to be a Kiwi. For reasons that are obvious. Something Good Eats level of science education and thoroughness when it comes to safety.
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Re: email from Brewhaus

Postby guittarmaster » Thu Jul 18, 2013 11:39 am

Good Eats mixed with This Old House for still construction.... I love it!
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Re: email from Brewhaus

Postby Black Eye » Thu Jul 18, 2013 12:32 pm

Anyone post the link to that stilldragon video?


Can you imagine a show about distilling and building equipment hosted by Alton Brown and Bob Vila... what a trip. Then they'd need to do a beverage tasting show that followed it by Bobby Flay, that guy is a total burn out.... but he makes me hungry when he cooks.
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Re: email from Brewhaus

Postby heartcut » Thu Jul 18, 2013 12:42 pm

Paracelsus wrote:
guittarmaster wrote:Nobody will give a shit about legalization untill we have a reasonably good looking stand-up, smooth talking distiller putting himself out there in a professional mannor.
Like the youtuber guy who did the two part scotch whiskey with the stilldragon flute vs that discovery show. know what I mean? Personally I like the idea of a distillers version of "Brewing TV" (check it out on youtube.)

In short. We need a poster-child and more supporters than just us on this forum to make it happen.


Love the idea, but its going to have to be a Kiwi. For reasons that are obvious. Something Good Eats level of science education and thoroughness when it comes to safety.

I agree, and personality would also be crucial.
Even the right catchy name.
Wonder if Ho Lee Phuk (new member) would be a good candidate?
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Re: email from Brewhaus

Postby blind drunk » Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:28 pm

Wonder if Ho Lee Phuk (new member) would be a good candidate?


I second the nomination!

Also, I recommend all home distillers' sites join forces and forget and/or put aside past grievances. We're gunna need a really big wave to float this boat. Just my humble opinion.
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Re: email from Brewhaus

Postby HookLine » Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:55 pm

blind drunk wrote:Also, I recommend all home distillers' sites join forces and forget and/or put aside past grievances. We're gunna need a really big wave to float this boat. Just my humble opinion.


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Re: email from Brewhaus

Postby Husker » Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:52 am

blind drunk wrote:
Wonder if Ho Lee Phuk (new member) would be a good candidate?


I second the nomination!

Also, I recommend all home distillers' sites join forces and forget and/or put aside past grievances. We're gunna need a really big wave to float this boat. Just my humble opinion.


Wasnt he one of the recent flight crew members?
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Re: email from Brewhaus

Postby Jimbo » Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:07 am

Husker wrote:
Wasnt he one of the recent flight crew members?


Yup.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... mvJZYWwOBA
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Re: email from Brewhaus

Postby thecroweater » Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:12 am

Off topic but that is hell funny :clap: how the devil did that news reader not realize :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: email from Brewhaus

Postby Oxbo Rene » Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:21 am

What's funny is = I showed video to my ole lady ...
She then asks = Were they american pilots???
My god ya'll need an ole lady like this one LOL, LOL .....
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Re: email from Brewhaus

Postby Jimbo » Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:26 am

'News'casters are so geeked up to throw somebody under the bus they dont even bother to engage their brains anymore in the excitement of a fresh find.

Hell this is prolly what passes for investigative journalism these days, a phone call from Bart Simpson to the news room and BAM, on the air.

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