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Admin edit .this is what ya get when ya post what you have read rather then what ya know .All you need is water, sugar and yeast. My costs are going to be around $1.88 per gallon. you don't need anything else to make ethanol for fuel. Here's a link to an ethanol formula:

http://www.milehidistilling.com/content ... recipe.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow

They have corn listed on the formula, but I can assure you that you don't need it. They're also incorrect about sugar. In fact they've got it backwards a little bit. If anything sugar has gone down and your results will be alot more consistant which you don't always get with corn. Here's what you'll need for 200 proof (100% ABV):

http://www.milehidistilling.com/zeolite ... -5-pounds/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow
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There such a thang as book wrote cost an
real life cost. Say that book say you can make
200 proof likker for 1.88 a gallon.


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knightmare1015 wrote:All you need is water, sugar and yeast. My costs are going to be around $1.88 per gallon. you don't need anything else to make ethanol for fuel. Here's a link to an ethanol formula:

http://www.milehidistilling.com/content ... recipe.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow

They have corn listed on the formula, but I can assure you that you don't need it. They're also incorrect about sugar. In fact they've got it backwards a little bit. If anything sugar has gone down and your results will be alot more consistant which you don't always get with corn. Here's what you'll need for 200 proof (100% ABV):

http://www.milehidistilling.com/zeolite ... -5-pounds/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow
All you need is water sugar and yeast? What about nutrients for the yeast. $1.88 a gallon? How do you figure? For a 10% ABV wash made to 10 gallons you would need 14 lbs of sugar. There would be 1 gal of 100% alcohol in that 10 gallons. The cheapest I can find sugar is $5 for 10lbs so $0.50 a pound. So a 10 gallon wash at 10% ABV would cost $7 just for the sugar. Not to mention the yeast, water, energy to run the still, and your labor.

To make a gallon for $1.88 the sugar would need to cost $0.10 a pound if not less. So I don't know where you are getting it that cheap. Or I don't know where you are getting your information from. But I think you need to recalculate your figures.
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Oh and from the 10 gal 10% ABV wash you would not be able to collect 100% of the alcohol in it. So truthfully it would not get you a full gallon. What you did collect would not be 100% ethanol. It would be a mixture of alcohols produced in the fermentation process.

I would like to know where you are getting your information from? Because it is obviously wrong. :crazy:
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Prairiepiss wrote:Oh and from the 10 gal 10% ABV wash you would not be able to collect 100% of the alcohol in it. So truthfully it would not get you a full gallon. What you did collect would not be 100% ethanol. It would be a mixture of alcohols produced in the fermentation process.

I would like to know where you are getting your information from? Because it is obviously wrong. :crazy:
First off I am not wrong, you are. Here's proof:

http://www.milehidistilling.com/product ... th-ag.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow

^ This is the yeast I use. According to Milehigh Distilling, I can either use 13 lbs of table sugar and get 14% ABV in 48 hours or I can use 18 Lbs. of sugar and get 20% ABV in 5 days. Now if I use the liquid carbon, it goes up an additional 4% ABV on both ends. Now here's the price of a 10 Lbs bag of sugar:

http://www.samsclub.com/sams/domino-sug ... stid=76428" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow

^ $4.63 x 2 = $9.26. Divided that by 6.5 gallons = $1.42 per gallon. That's without the yeast. I've got everything here to make a run right now, but from legal stand point I can't just yet. I am waiting for the changes to take affect on my alcohol fuel license. Now tell me how I am wrong?
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nightmare let me ask you a question. in any of them books you quotein is they guarintein them costs. you sayin you aint never made no likker before an I aint either
but I no some ole boys that has. 200 proof is hard to get to - real hard.
you quotin a company tryin to sale stuff. what some folks would do would get information from a source that aint got a vested intrest oneway or the other.
now you are talkin to pp like this is his first rodeo an im guessin it aint but it aint up to me to say one way or the other cause I don't get in folks business but
I would take pp word over milehi. course thsts just me.


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Wutz "liquid carbon" and how does " it goes up an additional 4% ABV on both ends"?
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All ethanol came from sugar fermentation. Ideally (if all sugar is converted and no loss during a run) you can get 0.51Kg (or 0.63L) of 100% ethanol from 1Kg of sugar. In reality it's very good if you get 0.6L of ethanol from 1Kg of sugar. Most likely your output will be around 0.5-0.55L from 1 kilo of sugar.
But let's take best number - 0.6L. So to get 1 Gallon of ethanol you need 3.785/0.6 = 6.3 Kg of sugar or 13.9 pounds. Chippest cane sugar I've seen was at Costco - $11 per 25Lb. It gives you $0.44 per Lb. So in ideal condition gallon of 100% ethanol will cost you 13.9*0.44=$6.12

It's slightly chipper to make alcohol from corn or grain. Don't remember exact numbers but it was something around $4+ dollar per gallon if you buying crop by truck load. But you will need more equipment ad more labor which we are not counting yet.

So the only way to get "$1.42 per gallon" is to be a farmer and grow you own crop on big plantation.
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knightmare1015 wrote:
Prairiepiss wrote:Oh and from the 10 gal 10% ABV wash you would not be able to collect 100% of the alcohol in it. So truthfully it would not get you a full gallon. What you did collect would not be 100% ethanol. It would be a mixture of alcohols produced in the fermentation process.

I would like to know where you are getting your information from? Because it is obviously wrong. :crazy:
First off I am not wrong, you are. Here's proof:

http://www.milehidistilling.com/product ... th-ag.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow

^ This is the yeast I use. According to Milehigh Distilling, I can either use 13 lbs of table sugar and get 14% ABV in 48 hours or I can use 18 Lbs. of sugar and get 20% ABV in 5 days. Now if I use the liquid carbon, it goes up an additional 4% ABV on both ends. Now here's the price of a 10 Lbs bag of sugar:

http://www.samsclub.com/sams/domino-sug ... stid=76428" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow

^ $4.63 x 2 = $9.26. Divided that by 6.5 gallons = $1.42 per gallon. That's without the yeast. I've got everything here to make a run right now, but from legal stand point I can't just yet. I am waiting for the changes to take affect on my alcohol fuel license. Now tell me how I am wrong?
Wow have my eyes been opened... Now I am going to quit my job, don't need one any more.
I am going to build an ethanol plant in my back yard, and get me one of those alcohol fuel permits, Buy ten thousand tons of sugar, (should even get a better price), A shit load of turbo yeast and start cooking.
Hell, at $1.88 a gallon, I can denature it, sell it for 2.50 a gallon and still make a shitload of cash!!!
Hell, I should be able to put BIG OIL out of business!!
It seems so easy!!! Why hasn't ANYBODY tried this before, I don't understand??? But I don't care, I am going to be a billionare!!!! :wink:
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Now here are my plans. The tower I do have here is good for whiskey and rum with a slightly higher proof than you'd normally see with a traditional pot still. Milehigh Distilling took nearly 60 days to ship the tower that I ordered. The 15 gallon kettle I ordered came from Brewhaus which took less than 30 days to ship with the same back log. So I'll be getting my next tower from Brewhaus. The tower I do have would require an extension along with multiple runs to acheive the purity that I'd want. Here's the tower that I'm looking at:

http://www.brewhaus.com/Essential-Extra ... P1019.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow

Now to answer another question, liquid carbon is used in the fermentation process:

http://www.milehidistilling.com/liquor- ... ed-carbon/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow

^ Using this stuff is like adding a supercharger to your wash/mash. Now in order to acheive the numbers that I posted earlier in another thread along with this one, I have to keep the wash/mash in a specific temperature range (between 70 and 90 degrees F).
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Now to acheive 200 proof you simply pour your final product through this:

http://www.milehidistilling.com/zeolite ... -5-pounds/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow

^ The higher the proof is of your final product, the easier it will be acheive 200 proof using this stuff. Unfortunately I can only find it at Milehigh Distilling and they're out of it right now.
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Knightmare -- you're really beginning to look like a troll. If you're not trolling then I'd suggest you slow WAY down and get your feet under you some. You keep posting hotlinks to milehi and and other suppliers makes you look like you've never run a drop in your life. Those guys want your money and that's all. You've been told multiple times now that you're not making much sense but you insist on running headlong into a brick wall. Slow down -- it aint going nowhere. It'll all be here tomorrow (and the next day).
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I reckon schools out

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WalkingWolf wrote:Knightmare -- you're really beginning to look like a troll. If you're not trolling then I'd suggest you slow WAY down and get your feet under you some. You keep posting hotlinks to milehi and and other suppliers makes you look like you've never run a drop in your life. Those guys want your money and that's all. You've been told multiple times now that you're not making much sense but you insist on running headlong into a brick wall. Slow down -- it aint going nowhere. It'll all be here tomorrow (and the next day).
I know that. I'm just getting tired of being attacked for every frigging thing I do on here. Those last 2 links that I posted was to my photo album of my moonshining license and cover sheet.
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goose eye wrote:I reckon schools out

so im tole
I haven'tbeen to school since 1996 dirt bag so shut it. Leave me the F alone!
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you see son that's your problem right there. this is school

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