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Re: Need advice building my first pot

Postby Gingerninjarick » Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:19 am

Ok, scored 8 ft of 2" stainless FO FWEEEEE!!!! From a buddy that works at a fab shop. Cut a few pieces for column and dephlag. And took a piece to another buddies muffler shop to try out his tubing bender.. this is the best I could get (hydraulic bender but not a mandrel bender) the pic is a little distorted but I'm concerned about the wrinkles on the inside radius of the bend..
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Re: Need advice building my first pot

Postby Gingerninjarick » Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:44 am

What I got so far..
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And the project manager expressing his concerns....

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Re: Need advice building my first pot

Postby Gingerninjarick » Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:05 pm

Playing with the lathe at work.. cut off a piece of 2", split it in half, pressed it flat in hydraulic press and turned it down to fit inside 2"x8" pipe. Drilled (5) 3/8''s holes in the plates (I know they'll have to be larger for 3/8 tubing but it was the closest bit I had at the time) anyway, this was just a practice run on making a shotgun deflag.. yay or nay?

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Re: Need advice building my first pot

Postby Gingerninjarick » Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:01 pm

OH MY GOD this stainless is the hardest most stubborn sh*t I've ever messed with!!!!
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Re: Need advice building my first pot

Postby Pikey » Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:22 pm

Use Copper - Yu need some copper in there anyway :)
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Re: Need advice building my first pot

Postby Gingerninjarick » Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:36 pm

Pikey wrote:Use Copper - Yu need some copper in there anyway :)


Thank god.. thought I was all alone in here.. Hahaha
I put (5) 3/8 tubed through the deflag. Im drilling holes for the water inlet/outlet now and it's kicking my a $$!
The liebig will be all copper also. I'm using what I got.
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Re: Need advice building my first pot

Postby Gingerninjarick » Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:21 pm

It's official.... I am not a plumber...

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Re: Need advice building my first pot

Postby Gingerninjarick » Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:58 pm

I have wasted so much solder.. not sure if I'm getting it too hot, not getting both pieces of metal hot or if there's too much gap between the two but it's like it's just evaporating but there's still a tiny gap..
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Re: Need advice building my first pot

Postby Gingerninjarick » Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:21 pm

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3/4" over 1/2" for a liebig? Is there something I'm missing?
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Re: Need advice building my first pot

Postby nuntius01 » Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:46 pm

Gingerninjarick wrote:
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3/4" over 1/2" for a liebig? Is there something I'm missing?

well, that depends. how much flow are you pushing over it. you're not leaving a lot of room for a cooling medium to take away that heat. that means you have to do it with flow. i dont want to get to technical on it. but i seem to recall someone havong the calculation before. but if you want to do the flow calc you can.
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Re: Need advice building my first pot

Postby Gingerninjarick » Fri Oct 06, 2017 9:16 pm

nuntius01 wrote:
Gingerninjarick wrote:
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3/4" over 1/2" for a liebig? Is there something I'm missing?

well, that depends. how much flow are you pushing over it. you're not leaving a lot of room for a cooling medium to take away that heat. that means you have to do it with flow. i dont want to get to technical on it. but i seem to recall someone havong the calculation before. but if you want to do the flow calc you can.


I'm not trying to get technical either, I'm just going by what I'm seeing and reading. But this 1/2" barely fits into the 3/4". Not sure if I have the wrong o.d./i.d. or if I'm misunderstanding.. I do electrical and mechanical.. never had to do much plumbing or hvac so my experience with copper is limited.. I'm thinking about just grabbing a stick of 1" and making a jacket.. not trying to hit 100% efficiency in my first build, just learn the ropes. Thanks for the reply!
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Re: Need advice building my first pot

Postby Antler24 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:37 am

nuntius01 wrote:
Gingerninjarick wrote:
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3/4" over 1/2" for a liebig? Is there something I'm missing?

well, that depends. how much flow are you pushing over it. you're not leaving a lot of room for a cooling medium to take away that heat. that means you have to do it with flow. i dont want to get to technical on it. but i seem to recall someone havong the calculation before. but if you want to do the flow calc you can.


That's just not true. 3/4 over 1/2" is the recommended size, it's been tested before and is more efficient than a larger outer shell. I use a 36" long 3/4 over 1/2" and it easily handles a 240v/5500w element on max, with little flow. Waaayyyyyy more than you'll ever need for a keg boilee
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Re: Need advice building my first pot

Postby sltm1 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 6:20 am

Damn, looking at the pic's I have to ask why such heavy stainless?? Looks like you'll have an armor plated still. The work would be much easier to solder if the metal was equal thickness, or even close. Not a comment, just an observation, each to their own. Also, solder isn't made to fill gaps, especially soft solder. I think before you continue you should practice getting your 2 unlike size & materials to the same heat at the same time in order to perfect your soldering technique. Good luck, we all start somewhere.
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Re: Need advice building my first pot

Postby Antler24 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 8:53 am

Gingerninjarick wrote:OH MY GOD this stainless is the hardest most stubborn sh*t I've ever messed with!!!!



Which is why I tried to talk you into using copper lol
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Re: Need advice building my first pot

Postby Gingerninjarick » Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:57 am

Antler24 wrote:
Gingerninjarick wrote:OH MY GOD this stainless is the hardest most stubborn sh*t I've ever messed with!!!!



Which is why I tried to talk you into using copper lol


That you did! Hahaha.. I mean I've worked with steel before.. I've got another project I'm working on, a suzuki samurai with 4 link Toyota suspension, doing all the fabrication myself.. but Ive never dealt with stainless.. it's tough, but do-able.. just thought for some reason it would be softer.. lesson learned..
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Re: Need advice building my first pot

Postby Gingerninjarick » Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:10 am

sltm1 wrote:Damn, looking at the pic's I have to ask why such heavy stainless?? Looks like you'll have an armor plated still. The work would be much easier to solder if the metal was equal thickness, or even close. Not a comment, just an observation, each to their own. Also, solder isn't made to fill gaps, especially soft solder. I think before you continue you should practice getting your 2 unlike size & materials to the same heat at the same time in order to perfect your soldering technique. Good luck, we all start somewhere.


Sorry sltm1, I've just now seen your post. The 8' stick of stainless was given to me for free so it's all I had at the moment. Really didn't know if it was overkill or not. I do now. And I think your right about the uneven heat. The through tubes soldered fairly easy but the plates not so easy.. should've just had them welded to begin with. I've got some ss wire coming for my mig and Ive got to get the right gas then I'll play with it some more.. it dawned on me that I don't even need the dephlag right now (if Im understanding this correctly ) if I'm just making a few brandys. I want flavor in my first couple of runs (raspberry, blackberry, plum... possibly peach) I've still got so much to learn but I know more than I did yesterday. :)
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Re: Need advice building my first pot

Postby sltm1 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:29 pm

No apology needed...very little in my life gets done in a timely fashion any more LOL. You're right about the dephlag, for brandy's you'll be running it like a pot still, in fact, you may like the way it performs so much that you'll stick with the pot, that was my choice. To up the flavor you also might consider making a thumper and putting wash or fruit in it.
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Re: Need advice building my first pot

Postby Gingerninjarick » Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:34 am

Thanks again sltm1, I do have another 15.5 gal keg but I'm thinking that would be wasteful to use.. I may have a 4gal ss stock pot I can weld the lid closed, with a piece of 2" stainless running through almost to the bottom then come off the lid with 1/2" into my liebig..
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Re: Need advice building my first pot

Postby Gingerninjarick » Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:41 pm

I LOVE LOWES!! Im like a kid in a candy store..
-5ft stick of 3/4" type L copper pipe
-5ft stick of 1/2" type L copper pipe
-two 3/4"x1/2" "T"s
-two 3/4"x1/2" reducers
-two 1/2"x1/2"fpt fittings
- map gas torch with clicker ($55 but I wanted it) :lol:
-lead free solder kit
-small cylindrical grinder for cordless drill
TOTAL- $140... (a chunk of change but I started with nothing)

using one store to build racecars, off road buggies, sweet party liquor makers, and anything else you can think of.... PRICELESS!

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I used #12 romex, pulled the ground wire out of it, and spiraled it around the 1/2" output tube. It was snug! Soldered a few spots from end to end. Whole stick is 5ft with 4 ft jacket. I'm getting close to my first run. Thank you guys for all your help!
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Re: Need advice building my first pot

Postby Antler24 » Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:38 pm

Gingerninjarick wrote:Thanks again sltm1, I do have another 15.5 gal keg but I'm thinking that would be wasteful to use.. I may have a 4gal ss stock pot I can weld the lid closed, with a piece of 2" stainless running through almost to the bottom then come off the lid with 1/2" into my liebig..


That second keg wouldn't be wasteful at all! I've only got one run on my pot still since adding a 7.5g keg thumper, but I'm already thinking about getting a full sized keg to replace it. I've got the fermenter space so why not up my batch size by 20%? Only drawback would be slower heat up.

That condenser will do you well! Good work so far. Did you see C2H505's recent pot still build? Very nicely built as well.
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Re: Need advice building my first pot

Postby The Baker » Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:06 pm

Antler24 said, 'Only drawback would be slower heat up.'

Get a pre-heater.

And maybe put a gas ring under the thumper and turn it off before the still starts stillin'.

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Re: Need advice building my first pot

Postby Gingerninjarick » Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:51 pm

I haven't found c2h505's build yet but I'm digging. I did a rough sketch of what I could possibly do with the materials I have.. one thing I haven't taken into account is the amount of propane I'm gonna be running through...

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Any suggestions?
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Re: Need advice building my first pot

Postby The Baker » Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:46 pm

If it is available, natural gas.

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Re: Need advice building my first pot

Postby C2H5O5 » Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:09 am

Gingerninjarick wrote:I haven't found c2h505's build yet but I'm digging. I did a rough sketch of what I could possibly do with the materials I have.. one thing I haven't taken into account is the amount of propane I'm gonna be running through...

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Re: Need advice building my first pot

Postby Gingerninjarick » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:48 pm

Thanks for the reply c2h505! Lots of great information! I've got few things coming in the mail Wednesday, ferrules, clamps, elbows, fittings and thermometer (gonna do small collections and work on taste and smell but Id like to watch the thermo just to see what's going on) I also have about 20 gals of plum, one with a little sugar, and one with A LOT, that should be about ready wednesday. So I may finish the basic pot still.. do a run or 2 or 3.. and then next week start on a thumper.
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Re: Need advice building my first pot

Postby Gingerninjarick » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:24 pm

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Parts came early!! Unfortunately the first 1/2"ss fmpt fittings I ordered back ordered so when I ordered from a different supplier I ordered 1/4"... :thumbdown: thermo may have to wait.. got a guy lined up to weld my ferrules which are a little loose inside my ss tubing and the d@MN 2" ss ferrules are a little too big for the 2"x1/2" copper reducer..it's gonna need some finessing.. oh and one more thing.. haha.. will the 2" ferrule clamp directly to the keg spout? With a gasket and a ferrule on the spout it's pretty tight. I haven't clamped it down yet. Just wondering if I need to modify it a bit. Eventually I'll have a 4" reducer added on but this is temporary.
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Re: Need advice building my first pot

Postby Gingerninjarick » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:41 pm

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Well... here she is... the column and condensor will definitely have to be braced.. I'll eventually do a 2" column but I ran out of material.. thoughts, suggestions, best wishes? :lol:

The thermo was meant to be at the top of a column above a dephlag but plans changed.. it still can be..

The thumper has a 2" pipe that stops about an inch from the bottom with 1/8th holes drilled in it about 2-3" from the bottom of the pipe.

Think I'm gonna build a wheeled cart out of angle iron with 2 burners, 1 to heat the thumper and 1 to run the boiler. The cart is just so I can move it around to clean it or whatever.. I've got a natural gas connection at the corner of my carport so this has opened up a whole new project :? (Enclosing the end of my carport for a "tool shed" *wink wink*)
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