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Re: Shady's Sugar Shine

Post by shadylane » Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:36 pm

MtRainier wrote:Interestingly the pH went up from days 2 to 4. I assume that's because it stopped producing CO2 which is starting to leave the solution and is allowing the pH to go up a bit as it leaves. It could also be because the oyster shells are dissolving a bit more
I've noticed the pH rise slightly also, figure the yeast likes it better than a pH crash :thumbup:

JMHO a side benefit of having the wash less acidic before distilling
Is the shine seems to have less of a sugar bite. :wink:
There's folks that make heavy rum washes more acidic to get esters
This recipe is for neutral spirits, so esters is considered a dirty word :lol:

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Re: Shady's Sugar Shine

Post by MtRainier » Sat Oct 27, 2018 4:31 pm

Ran it tonight finally. This is the most neutral wash I have gotten out of my 4 plate flute.

It was 14 gallons at around 9 percent. Got 750ml of fores and heads which weren't too unpleasant, some apple and banana esters in it. Then about 3.5 liters of hearts before tails started coming. Really nice. All ran at about 95 percent.

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Re: Shady's Sugar Shine

Post by Hoosier Shine9 » Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:06 am

I have been looking for a good, easy Neutral.
this seems to be the ticket.
I have used Birdwatchers TPW, as well as an other sugar wash but both of them have at least a little off flavor.

I am going to give this a try.
I have a couple family members that like Vodka Martinis & I like "Mr P's FirePi$$"

I will be running this on my 4" 6plate Flute.
How prone is this to foaming & Puking?.....trying to figure out how full to fill my 15.5 gallon Keg Boiler.

thanks in advance

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Re: Shady's Sugar Shine

Post by MtRainier » Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:34 am

I ran 14 gal in my 16 gal boiler without any fermcap or oil and it never foamed. There isn’t much in it to cause a foam.

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Re: Shady's Sugar Shine

Post by shadylane » Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:34 am

Hoosier Shine9 wrote: I have used Birdwatchers TPW, as well as an other sugar wash but both of them have at least a little off flavor.
All thin sugar washes are prone to off flavors, The trick is proper cuts
Hoosier Shine9 wrote:How prone is this to foaming & Puking?.....trying to figure out how full to fill my 15.5 gallon Keg Boiler.
Depends on how much unfermented sugar is left.
That shouldn't be a problem, with a recipe that can go from 1.065 to .990 in under a week

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Re: Shady's Sugar Shine

Post by ShineonCrazyDiamond » Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:59 am

So, I've been looking for a better sugar wash. I don't like the tomatoe after taste, and although the cereals work (even uj will make vodka), I want a solid-free recipe fir the winter. So, I'm giving this a try.

There is one thing im doing different though. In my adventures, I realized that shady's ingredients are the exact same as Fermax.

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So, I laid down a batch last night.

30 gallons water
50lb sugar
30 tsp Fermax
4 Super B complex vitamins
Oyster shells

30 tsp of Fermax was almost exactly the 4oz package. It cost $2.50. So basically, water, sugar, and 3 bucks to lay a ferment.

I'll let you know how it turns out, but anyone wanting to try this recipe with ease, just look for Fermax. It really simplifies the ingredient list in Shadys recipe.

Thanks Shady! Looking forward to the results :thumbup:
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Re: Shady's Sugar Shine

Post by shadylane » Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:55 pm

Keep us posted :thumbup:
What yeast are you using?
And what ferment temp?

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Post by ShineonCrazyDiamond » Sun Nov 18, 2018 5:25 am

Yup, sure thing.

I used good old bakers that I always use in everything. I have some 1118 sitting in the fridge, but I wanted to ferment fast. Been a little behind this year since I just finished remodeling my bathroom :oops: . So, good old traditional bakers :thumbup: .

As far as temp, I set my water bath at 90, but the damn system is so freakin efficient, it comes in just under 92. With peak ferment, the wash is sitting at 93. I'm sure it will come down a little in the next couple days, as it is running like a freight train. It is quite a happy little ferment. I have fermented bakers very successfully even up to 105, with no off flavors. Between 85 and 95 has been my experience of happy bakers :lol:

So, anyways, the og was 1.069 or so, let's call it 1.07. I want to run this on Wednesday, but I won't rush it. This was a proof of concept on the Fermax, and my new winter set up. So far, the dam thing is violent as hell :thumbup:

If everything goes well from bucket to glass, I will use this as my annual vodka wash. I have changed my distilling habits around. I used to run rum and sugar washes in the summer, when it was naturally hot, and fight the whiskey in the winter. But finding a place to inconspicuously dump grains in the snow is a pain in the ass. So now that I have a super efficient system to ferment up to 120 in freezing weather, why not sugar (and rum) all winter, and grains in the summer?

Anyways, I'm obviously winded this morning, but that is why I wanted a solid free wash, instead of my usual uj :lol: . Thanks again, I'll let you know how it turns out :thumbup:
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Re: Shady's Sugar Shine

Post by Kareltje » Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:47 am

I am happy with this recipe. Tried birdwatchers in the past, but it keeps having a bad taste to it, no matter what I do to clean it up.
Of this SSSS I made 15 liter, with a electrical blanket wrapped around it to keep it at 24 dg C and it was clear finished in a week. Decanted it and threw water and sugar over the sediment, so the next week I had again 15 l of clear wine.
Stripped both with 10 l boiler and 10 l thumper and did a spirit run in my 10 l boiler. Voila: 2 l of 80 % good alcohol and 1.5 l feints.

Now I did the trick with new sugar and water for the second time, but this time it is much slower. Should have added eggshells again too, I guess.

Thanks Shady! Now I can go on all winter. Just need an extra blanket. :mrgreen:

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Post by shadylane » Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:27 am

Kareltje wrote:I did the trick with new sugar and water for the second time, but this time it is much slower. Should have added eggshells again too, I guess
Extra crushed shell would have helped, but fresh boiled yeast is much better than trub or boiled trub.

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Post by StillerBoy » Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:57 am

shadylane wrote:but fresh boiled yeast is much better than trub or boiled trub.
Shady.. what is the different, in your view, that boiled yeast is better than boiled trub..

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Post by shadylane » Sun Nov 18, 2018 3:20 pm

StillerBoy wrote: Shady.. what is the different, in your view, that boiled yeast is better than boiled trub..

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Just a thought
Cannibalism is kinda nasty
Eating babies is more nutritious and has fewer health risks than eating the already dead :lol:

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Re: Shady's Sugar Shine

Post by Kareltje » Mon Nov 19, 2018 3:16 am

I prefer to not see it as cannibalism, rather as giving the old guys and gals a second life. :mrgreen:
Wouldn't you like that?? 8)

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Post by shadylane » Thu Nov 22, 2018 3:54 pm

Laying all jokes aside
Boiled fresh yeast works much better than boiled trub.
The ferment is faster and cleaner.

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Re: Shady's Sugar Shine

Post by Kareltje » Fri Nov 23, 2018 11:30 am

shadylane wrote:Laying all jokes aside
Boiled fresh yeast works much better than boiled trub.
The ferment is faster and cleaner.
Sorry, there must be a misunderstanding.
I did not boil the trub, but decanted the quite clear wine, leaving the trub in the tub. And then added new sugar water. Assuming the yeast would still be alive. Which it was: went straight to work again. 8)

I will remember your warning, though! :thumbup:

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Re: Shady's Sugar Shine

Post by shadylane » Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:48 pm

Sorry, as normal I was having a brain seizure :lol:
Your doing a piggy back ferment.

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Post by ShineonCrazyDiamond » Fri Nov 23, 2018 5:13 pm

So, pretty sure this finished up Wednesday night. I let it sit through the holiday, no rush. 5 day ferment. Im goo'd with that, and at .0998. Pulled the heating system, will strip tomorrow, spirit run on Sunday. The wash taste clean, I see no issues getting it into the glass. Will be back with taste results later this week. Thanks shady :thumbup:
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Re: Shady's Sugar Shine

Post by shadylane » Fri Nov 23, 2018 9:05 pm

It's a Sugar Shine, so watch the cuts. Especially the tails cut.
The deeper into the tails, the more it tastes like cardboard, seasoned with black pepper :lol:

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Re: Shady's Sugar Shine

Post by Getsmokin » Sun Nov 25, 2018 8:03 pm

Gave this a shot tonight. Just a small 8 gallon trial only using my filtered tap water (no coral) which is liquid limestone, so we will see how well it buffers ph.

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Post by ShineonCrazyDiamond » Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:36 pm

Well, I am very happy with this. I ran it last weekend, and have my carbed apple pie in the keg getting co2.

I stripped then ran the low wines through the ccvm. There were twice as much heads than other recipes, but just as much hearts. That's ok, the lines just moved. I normally have hearts from jars 8ish through 15ish. They were like 13 through 21ish. I kept 12 and 22, becuase I was trying to get to a full gallon of 50% for my recipe. I laid down the next one and stripped it today. Will cut closer tomorrow.

All and all, my go to recipe. I don't know how the ratios of Fermax compare to shady's op recipe, but it worked awesome. Fermax, sugar, yeast! My wife absolutely loves it, and says it is so much better than last year's vodka.

Im sold. Thanks shady!
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Re: Shady's Sugar Shine

Post by shadylane » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:35 pm

On the next wash, how about using crushed oystershell with the Fermax, sugar, yeast
I'm curious if the pH control will decrease the sugar bite.

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Post by ShineonCrazyDiamond » Sat Dec 01, 2018 4:19 am

I did. I always use shells on sugar washes. I also threw 4 B vitamins in there, out of habit and your recipe. So yes, sugar, fermax, yeast, shells and vitamins.

Now, I could probably use a cleaner yeast. And a slightly lower temp on fermentation to perhaps increase my yield. But I'm not that worried about it. Bakers is cheap and never let me down, and with 5 day clean ferments? This is smash and grab alcohol at the quality level. :lol: I mean, I laid down the first ferment 2 weeks ago today, and last night laid my 3rd round. And I already have 2.5 gallons of 50% vodka to show for it (cut down from azeo).

I will say, I don't recall much of the bite. I'll have to see when I try some tonight. I can tell you that it was extremely, sweet. I have not run a sugar wash in years, though, so I think I remember that just being a characteristic of sugar washes. When I wanted vodka before, I just made UJ and ran it through the reflux. But the sweetness should calm down with sitting. I use it for apple pie, pantry droppers, bloody Mary's, and other mixed drinks, any way. It came out clean, nuetral, and smooth. Good for me.
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Re: Shady's Sugar Shine

Post by shadylane » Sat Dec 01, 2018 4:54 pm

If you want a really nice neutral.
Do 2 stripping runs, dilute to around 20% abv
Then run it in a reflux column :wink:

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Post by Tater » Sun Dec 02, 2018 7:55 am

ShineonCrazyDiamond wrote:I did. I always use shells on sugar washes. I also threw 4 B vitamins in there, out of habit and your recipe. So yes, sugar, fermax, yeast, shells and vitamins.

Now, I could probably use a cleaner yeast. And a slightly lower temp on fermentation to perhaps increase my yield. But I'm not that worried about it. Bakers is cheap and never let me down, and with 5 day clean ferments? This is smash and grab alcohol at the quality level. :lol: I mean, I laid down the first ferment 2 weeks ago today, and last night laid my 3rd round. And I already have 2.5 gallons of 50% vodka to show for it (cut down from azeo).

I will say, I don't recall much of the bite. I'll have to see when I try some tonight. I can tell you that it was extremely, sweet. I have not run a sugar wash in years, though, so I think I remember that just being a characteristic of sugar washes. When I wanted vodka before, I just made UJ and ran it through the reflux. But the sweetness should calm down with sitting. I use it for apple pie, pantry droppers, bloody Mary's, and other mixed drinks, any way. It came out clean, nuetral, and smooth. Good for me.
Then it time for t and t :thumbup:
I use a pot still.Sometimes with a thumper

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