Pure ethanol
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Pure ethanol
Dear friends,
I have got lately a pure ethanol 99.9% for laboratory purposed.I'm in a country that prohibits booze.
Now if I break this ethanol,with distilled water down to 40%. is it safe to drink?or drop it down to 20% and mix with Juice?
Impurities would be then less that 0.05%
any thoughts
Thanks
I have got lately a pure ethanol 99.9% for laboratory purposed.I'm in a country that prohibits booze.
Now if I break this ethanol,with distilled water down to 40%. is it safe to drink?or drop it down to 20% and mix with Juice?
Impurities would be then less that 0.05%
any thoughts
Thanks
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if it's over 86% ABV then it's not safe to drink.
the only way to get alcohol greater than 86% ABV (192 proof in the States) is to use benzene or some other dangerous dessicant.
the only way to get alcohol greater than 86% ABV (192 proof in the States) is to use benzene or some other dangerous dessicant.
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Uncle Jesse, 86% is 172 proof, right? No offense.
We used to be able to get Golden Grain at 198 proof, that's 99% abv. At least that is what the label said. We used to make hunch punch out of it.
I held some in my mouth to spit on a flame one time....well I couldn't get the lighter lit......I tried three or four times to light it and then decided to spit it out 'cuz it gave me blisters on the inside of my mouth!!! Hurt like hell. Never did make those flames shoot out of my mouth!
We used to be able to get Golden Grain at 198 proof, that's 99% abv. At least that is what the label said. We used to make hunch punch out of it.
I held some in my mouth to spit on a flame one time....well I couldn't get the lighter lit......I tried three or four times to light it and then decided to spit it out 'cuz it gave me blisters on the inside of my mouth!!! Hurt like hell. Never did make those flames shoot out of my mouth!
Shine on you crazy diamonds!!
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yeh and I can add...but the espresso machine is still busted. 96%, 192 proof.
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you can't get 99% ethanol without mixing in something harmful. alcohol is so anhydrous that it will suck moisture out of the air and hit what is called the azeotrope max which is 192 proof (96% ABV).
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wise words from a wise manviolentblue wrote:had a buddy in Unv that was a chem major, the prof was very specific on which lab alcohol was drinkable and which was not.
he said "I know you're going to steel it anyway so use the stuff marked 95% any number above that has benzene in it, it will ruin your party in a hurry"
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Guys thanks for replies , but i'm not crazy enough to drink a 99.9% ethanol, ofcourse I will cut it off down till 40% ,with distil water.
Now if we have a 99.9% ethanol, that means benzen and other kind of alcohol like methanol is only 0.1% ,when cutting off to 40% , beznen and methanol will be less than 0.05% , now is this harmful to human body?
95% ethanol is abolutely dangerous,becouse benzen and methanol is a 5% total, which is poison and very harmful.
any thoughts?
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Now if we have a 99.9% ethanol, that means benzen and other kind of alcohol like methanol is only 0.1% ,when cutting off to 40% , beznen and methanol will be less than 0.05% , now is this harmful to human body?
95% ethanol is abolutely dangerous,becouse benzen and methanol is a 5% total, which is poison and very harmful.
any thoughts?
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I remember as a kid, a couple buddies of mine from the reserve telling me if you poke a hole in the bottom of a bag of bread and slowly pour aftershave through it, only the good alcohol comes out and all the bad stuff is sopped up in the bread.
They also sniffed gas.
Point is, you can do anything if you want, but common sense and logic as well as advise from others stops most mistakes.
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They also sniffed gas.
Point is, you can do anything if you want, but common sense and logic as well as advise from others stops most mistakes.
The rest end up here.......>http://www.darwinawards.com/
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Actually alcohol that dry is considered "anhydrous" grade can be made by several different techniques.
It is entirely possible that it was made using grain and then dried over molecular sieves and/or other methods such as using magnesium.
It is also possible that the alchol is fully synthetic and no grain was involved in its creation.
Whether or not it is safe to drink depends on the method of manufacture.
It is entirely possible that it was made using grain and then dried over molecular sieves and/or other methods such as using magnesium.
It is also possible that the alchol is fully synthetic and no grain was involved in its creation.
Whether or not it is safe to drink depends on the method of manufacture.
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I beg to differ on that.zymos wrote:There IS such a thing as USP (US Pharmacopia, in other words, food grade) "pure" ethanol, so just because it is over 95%, doesn't necessarily mean it is not for consumption...
Again, the azeotrope max for ethanol is 96%, 192 proof. To get higher than that means you add something, most likely benzene. If your alcohol won't go above 192 proof then it has an additive, not just some process which it's undergone.
It's simple chemistry folks. If you're so desperate to catch a buzz that you'll endanger your health and the health of your pals then you're in pretty bad shape.
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What about zeolite which is just a mineral that absorbs water. The fuel guys apparently dry their alcohol with it then remove it, cook it, and reuse it. It apparently does not leave any residue behind so should be safe to remove water from drinking alcohol?
I haven't been able to find any reference to safety for consumption on this mineral but it is also being sold in health food stores. That doesn't really mean anything 'cause lots of things sold in health food stores are downright dangerous. It is also used in aquariums to remove ammonia and it doesn't harm the fish.......
I haven't been able to find any reference to safety for consumption on this mineral but it is also being sold in health food stores. That doesn't really mean anything 'cause lots of things sold in health food stores are downright dangerous. It is also used in aquariums to remove ammonia and it doesn't harm the fish.......
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it's possible there's something out there to act as a dessicant without hurting the consumer. but why would you want anything that pure for consumption anyway? only a frat boy on a testosterone binge would want to impress people by drinking something that pure, imho
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Hey guys I agree wholeheartedly but the original question was is it possible to cut pure alcohol to safe level to drink. I think there is the possibility but I certainly would not do so unless I knew with absolute certainty how the alcohol came to be 100 percent pure. I cut my 95% to 50 for storage and consumption but I know exactly where it came from
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I beg to differ on your differing...Uncle Jesse wrote: I beg to differ on that.
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from the website of a large producer of Ethanol at
http://www.pharmco-prod.com/pages/alcoholintro.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow
"To increase the purity to 200 proof (100% Ethanol), a third component must be introduced, breaking the water-ethanol bond and allowing the new mixture to distill off. This final mixture then has to be re-distilled in order to obtain 200 proof (pure) Ethanol. New technology now achieves this same result through the use of molecular sieves. These added steps is the reason 200 proof Ethanol is always more expensive than 190 proof. "
I am not telling people they should be drinking lab alcohol, and I'm certainly not telling people to drink undiluted high proof alcohol of ANY origin.
I am just saying that 200 proof alcohol does not NECESSARILY contain any poisonous substances.
It just isn't worth haggling over how pure you can get Ethanol as no matter how pure you get it it will just re-absorb water anyway, unless you keep it in a vacuum... It'll never stay pure and the only thing you can do with pure Ethanol, from a layman's standpoint, is to burn it as fuel... It really doesn't matter how pure it is if you need to cut it to drink it anyway... Oh yeah, I'll work WAY extra hard to make sure I get ALL the water out so I can just add water back in to make it drinkable...
It must be Spring because I'm seeing an awful lot of arguing just for the sake of arguing as of late... You guys going into rut or something...???
Take a swig and chill...
It must be Spring because I'm seeing an awful lot of arguing just for the sake of arguing as of late... You guys going into rut or something...???
Take a swig and chill...
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I'm still not sure how you can get 200 proof ethanol outside a vacuum environment. I know a molecular sieve can be used to this effect, but my understanding is that ethanol will yank water out of the air to hit the azeotrope.
Perhaps it's only alcohol vapor which acts in this manner?
Perhaps it's only alcohol vapor which acts in this manner?
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Well, I have tried ..and here' what i have done :
1- i diluted the 99.9% ethanol i have, with distilled water, and cut off to 40%.
2- I added concentrated berry juice 50/50 .
3- final product was a berry liquer about 20% alcohol.
I did taste, i had about 100ml ..i suffered few big farts but it's ok ..
guys i never said that i will drink a 99.9% ethanol or 200 proof ! ..it is impossible !
1- i diluted the 99.9% ethanol i have, with distilled water, and cut off to 40%.
2- I added concentrated berry juice 50/50 .
3- final product was a berry liquer about 20% alcohol.
I did taste, i had about 100ml ..i suffered few big farts but it's ok ..
guys i never said that i will drink a 99.9% ethanol or 200 proof ! ..it is impossible !