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by Tropic
Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:55 pm
Forum: Still Related Hardware
Topic: Thermometers?
Replies: 17
Views: 1783

Re: Thermometers?

Watch it but don’t take any notice of it .... its placement and accuracy will effect the reading . Out of curiousity , I run one in my VM last weekend fir the first time in ages . It ran at 77.8°C for the whole hearts . If I was to base that on Boiling points , I was taking heads for the whole run ...
by Tropic
Sat Feb 13, 2021 3:03 am
Forum: Column Builds
Topic: 3" Graham oops/Dimroth coil for VM reflux column
Replies: 7
Views: 1107

Re: 3" Graham coil for VM reflux column

tiramisu wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:22 pm
c = pi(r)^2 = 7"
Area = pi X radius squared

Did you mean
Circumference = pi X diameter
by Tropic
Mon Feb 01, 2021 12:15 pm
Forum: Research and Theory
Topic: Centering Rings
Replies: 12
Views: 1764

Re: Centering Rings

I plan on using lots of centering rings in my next build - about one every 15cm. I'll be cooling the column walls to induce reflux on them mid column so will need a lot to push the reflux back into the packing. https://www.bunnings.com.au/kinetic-38mm-waste-basket-strainer_p4920213 These are 75mm di...
by Tropic
Sun Jan 31, 2021 8:01 pm
Forum: Novice Distillers
Topic: reflux spirit run
Replies: 7
Views: 1060

Re: reflux spirit run

You can't change the temperature the wash boils at but you can change the temperature of the vapour in the column. You can do this by running a coil or other cooling system at the base or mid column that is cooler than the vapour but above the vapour's boiling point. Do this gradually up the column ...
by Tropic
Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:51 pm
Forum: Research and Theory
Topic: A theory of the reflux distillation column.
Replies: 41
Views: 7600

Re: A theory of the reflux distillation column.

All this is my opinion only as to what goes on in a packed column: I would assume that in a packed column the temperature gradient would be entirely governed by the reflux. I would think that if there was no reflux and the column was fully insulated, there would be no condensing and the column would...
by Tropic
Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:57 pm
Forum: Research and Theory
Topic: A theory of the reflux distillation column.
Replies: 41
Views: 7600

Re: A theory of the reflux distillation column.

There is one problem here. The vapor coming from the boiler is precisely at its boiling/condensing temperature so if you cool it at all all you are doing is condensing vapor which would be taking power away from the column which could be accomplished by turning down the power. I don't think this is...
by Tropic
Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:03 pm
Forum: Research and Theory
Topic: A theory of the reflux distillation column.
Replies: 41
Views: 7600

Re: A theory of the reflux distillation column.

The forum is rife with examples of reflux condensers that are positioned down low on the column riser not working very well at all with respect to distilled spirits. Yep, but I'm not using a condenser low on the column, not even a dephlegmator. I'm currently using a device to cool the vapour enteri...
by Tropic
Thu Jan 28, 2021 3:01 pm
Forum: Research and Theory
Topic: A theory of the reflux distillation column.
Replies: 41
Views: 7600

Re: A theory of the reflux distillation column.

Are you 100% sure your not just very much over thinking things I'm 100% emphatically sure that I AM very much over thinking things. What I am proposing is overly complicated and could be a huge waste of time. But I have the time to waste so I will go ahead with the experiment, possible just for my ...
by Tropic
Wed Jan 27, 2021 11:18 am
Forum: Research and Theory
Topic: A theory of the reflux distillation column.
Replies: 41
Views: 7600

Re: A theory of the reflux distillation column.

A long normal reflux column with a normal condenser on top in full reflux has a temperature gradient from the boiler temperature to almost azeotrope temperature. The rising vapor will condense where the temperature is its condensing temperature. An example: 10%abv in the boiler will produce 54.9%ab...
by Tropic
Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:45 pm
Forum: Research and Theory
Topic: A theory of the reflux distillation column.
Replies: 41
Views: 7600

Re: A theory of the reflux distillation column.

I'm attempting to brainstorm along with you and not trying to stillsplain anything as I am not qualified for that. Thanks. Every point of view gives me something to think about and a greater understanding of the process. If I understand your design the column will relux and separate (aka stack the ...
by Tropic
Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:06 am
Forum: Research and Theory
Topic: A theory of the reflux distillation column.
Replies: 41
Views: 7600

Re: A theory of the reflux distillation column.

I don't know if I understand you correctly. In your theory the reflux of something near the azeotrope has a very low abv. Is that right? But then a LM wouldn't work at all. A LM collects reflux near the azeotrope. So the reflux at the top of the column must be near the azeotrope. I think you have m...
by Tropic
Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:27 pm
Forum: Research and Theory
Topic: A theory of the reflux distillation column.
Replies: 41
Views: 7600

Re: A theory of the reflux distillation column.

It seems uncertain, if the reflux really has a lower temperature than the vapor. For example at The Compleat Distiller from Nixon and McCaw page 109 (If you don't have the book, I can post a link): The temperature of the reflux will be the same as the temperature of the vapor in the top of the colu...
by Tropic
Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:30 pm
Forum: Research and Theory
Topic: A theory of the reflux distillation column.
Replies: 41
Views: 7600

Re: A theory of the reflux distillation column.

It seems uncertain, if the reflux really has a lower temperature than the vapor. For example at The Compleat Distiller from Nixon and McCaw page 109 (If you don't have the book, I can post a link): The temperature of the reflux will be the same as the temperature of the vapor in the top of the colu...
by Tropic
Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:20 am
Forum: Column Builds
Topic: Making a compound column for perfect separation of fractions
Replies: 31
Views: 4648

Re: Making a compound column for perfect separation of fractions

In the end I abandoned the idea of a mid column condenser. Instead, I use cooling coil in the base of the column to get the gas temperature at the to that of the boiling point of the gas without condensing it (ie one distillation below the boiler). It is very successful in eliminating tails. I've st...
by Tropic
Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:05 am
Forum: Condensers/Cooling Methods
Topic: Smog's Aircooled shotgun dephlegmator
Replies: 10
Views: 1891

Re: Smog's Aircooled shotgun dephlegmator

Very impressive. And you haven't had to wind a single copper coil. I've seen many posts here about people wanting to reduce water usage. This seems a much better long term solution than rigs with water reservoirs and topping up with ice. Given that your reflux condenser is doing such a good job, I t...
by Tropic
Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:24 pm
Forum: Research and Theory
Topic: A theory of the reflux distillation column.
Replies: 41
Views: 7600

A theory of the reflux distillation column.

A theory of the reflux distillation column. A longer column produces greater alcohol concentration because it provides a greater number of distillations. - WRONG (well, sort of wrong). A longer column produces a greater alcohol concentration because it provides a longer time in the column for distil...
by Tropic
Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:55 pm
Forum: Novice Distillers
Topic: Just Post a Pick of your Rig
Replies: 432
Views: 232665

Air cooled still

IMG_20200217_084327.jpg IMG_20200217_084344.jpg I've also used a computer fan/radiator cooling system and found it to be quite effective. I can nearly knock down 1800W with just a 2 fan system. It's a working concept and still in development. I will be making a new design of LM head with fan/radiat...
by Tropic
Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:15 pm
Forum: Column Builds
Topic: Making a compound column for perfect separation of fractions
Replies: 31
Views: 4648

Re: Making a compound column for perfect separation of fract

Um, wow. That's a lot to digest. Well, the aim was to make the system more stable and more controllable but from those comments, it may actually do the opposite. Or will it? It all depends on whether an inline condenser will selectively condense the heavier compounds or not. Or will it just cut down...
by Tropic
Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:45 pm
Forum: Column Builds
Topic: Making a compound column for perfect separation of fractions
Replies: 31
Views: 4648

Re: Making a compound column for perfect separation of fract

The more I read here, the more I understand that a well designed head on a good column run at the right power and take-off "sits at azeo all day long before spouting out a bit of tails and being shut down". So yes, this may be redundant. But it may have advantages. If I set it at 70-77 deg...
by Tropic
Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:23 pm
Forum: Column Builds
Topic: Making a compound column for perfect separation of fractions
Replies: 31
Views: 4648

Re: Making a compound column for perfect separation of fract

I do question the need to do it at all, a good reflux still just sits at azeo all day long before spouting out a bit of tails and being shut down (or automatically shutting down if a good VM). That is the crux of the whole thing, what ever you do you wont build anything different that works any bet...
by Tropic
Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:17 pm
Forum: Column Builds
Topic: Making a compound column for perfect separation of fractions
Replies: 31
Views: 4648

Re: Making a compound column for perfect separation of fract

Hmm, my hypothesis… My original thought was to run a water jacket with a coldfinger the full length of a 1.2m column both held at 79 degrees. Pack s/s scrubbers inside the column around the coldfinger. I theorised that if I ran an infinite length column of this at 78.0 degrees for an infinite amount...
by Tropic
Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:13 pm
Forum: Column Builds
Topic: Making a compound column for perfect separation of fractions
Replies: 31
Views: 4648

Re: Making a compound column for perfect separation of fract

Thanks everyone. I have a few years’ experience with an Essencia Super Reflux CM head and really understand why it doesn’t work well. It is obviously too short to properly reflux. It uses cold water as LM which is a balancing act trying to get the vapour down to the right temperature and flow rate t...
by Tropic
Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:40 pm
Forum: Column Builds
Topic: Making a compound column for perfect separation of fractions
Replies: 31
Views: 4648

Making a compound column for perfect separation of fractions

I’m still considering my first build and will be for the next few weeks so please excuse my way out ides for a bit. It seems like stills are like pancakes - the first one is always not quite right, but I’d like to get close. So if you’re inclined, please let me know if this would work and if not, th...
by Tropic
Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:21 am
Forum: Column Builds
Topic: A fun LM design or am I an idiot?
Replies: 4
Views: 1505

Re: A fun LM design or am I an idiot?

Thanks Yummyrum, I've looked up borosilicate and the best I've found are 2 and 3 litre beakers. It's a shame they're all marked with etched gradations but I suppose I can just face that away from my viewing. The beaker is better clarity and should be significantly lighter too so I reckon I'll go wit...
by Tropic
Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:53 pm
Forum: Column Builds
Topic: A fun LM design or am I an idiot?
Replies: 4
Views: 1505

A fun LM design or am I an idiot?

I’m looking at my first build in the next few months and am thinking along the lines of a liquid management still. I want to achieve azeotrope at a sensible rate but I want to do something a bit fun. Would this work? From what I can tell, the job of the column head of a liquid management still is to...
by Tropic
Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:50 pm
Forum: ** Welcome Center **
Topic: Greetings from Cairns Australia
Replies: 10
Views: 1188

Re: Greetings from Cairns Australia

Thanks All for the welcome, I'm leaning towards a liquid management system similar to a Boka in concept but with an outlet pipe below the condenser to make it dual purpose if I want to give vapour management a go. I'm also thinking of having a 1.4m column that can come apart and then just attach the...
by Tropic
Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:46 am
Forum: Condensers/Cooling Methods
Topic: Benefits of a sight glass
Replies: 11
Views: 4550

Re: Benefits of a sight glass

The sight glass was forming condensate during the hearts. you can see it dripping. With so much vapour some of it finds the wall.
The tails have far less vapour.
by Tropic
Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:37 pm
Forum: ** Welcome Center **
Topic: Greetings from Cairns Australia
Replies: 10
Views: 1188

Greetings from Cairns Australia

Greetings! I've been using an Essencia Super Reflux (yep, that dinky little still) for quite a few years without really knowing how it worked or the proper way to drive it. I knew to throw out the first 100ml and keep the temperature around 80 degrees but after that, not much else. I ended up with a...