LWTCS wrote:So here is a diagram of my thoughts for one of our rigs.
We were debating on putting an experimental rig into production to do a side by side and see what the outcome would be.
to not take the still porn thread off topic figured id start here.
It started with me posting a pic of my wall mounted sxs columns and lwtcs posted this.
my thougths are whats gonna keep the vapour from feeding straight through the thumper drain?
On my wall mount each column and the boiler is seperated with a trap. Will get a pic after camera is charged.
My rig is boiler remote feeding a plated column on top of an inline thumper, with the plated column feeding a packed column. The reflux drains return to boiler
I kniow googe built a sxs and there is a few others on other furoms
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Here is a pic of mine. From boiler is fed with 1" line into an inline thumper with plated column on it, can have anywhere from 1-6 plates. Plates feed a packed column via a 3/4 and 1" line that is adjustable for length.
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Quick high dollar sketch. not shown is the trap on the return to boiler
My theory on the thump is keep the alcohal oin the columns long as possible
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The only downside of a split column is for full effiency I think you need a pump to pump from the bottom the last column to the top of the first. If both return to the boiler you don't get full performance compared to a single column.
It does work. On sac run had problem with thump being that violent it was disablin bottom plate n flooding. Removed bottom plate n no issues. As set now its 3 plates on inline thump feeding 33" of packed. Next run i gonna move site tower to under the packed. Wanns see what packed reflux drain is doing
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googe wrote:Be cool with the glass under the packed jed
Glass is under packed now. Also added a 90 on the thump reflux drain. It was just a 3/4 in the side, thunkin drain pointin up is gonna work better.
All goes well on this run glass will go under plates and add 4th plate back in
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googe wrote:Be cool with the glass under the packed jed
Glass is under packed now. Also added a 90 on the thump reflux drain. It was just a 3/4 in the side, thunkin drain pointin up is gonna work better.
All goes well on this run glass will go under plates and add 4th plate back in
It will definitely work better Jed you may even need to add a little riser to that 90. There is more vapor pressure to overcome then most of us think, as we are told that there is no pressure in the boiler. That's bull it's the vapor pressure that makes it move. Nice job it looks great.
Spent the day in basement. Day started out good, charged the boiler with uj and hit the switch. Y'day when tried to run wire contact burnt off, controller still worked but wasn't gonna chance high voltage. Bypassed the scr so this run is 2000w on 120 or 4500 watt on 240 or 6500 total. Run started off well but then i noticed packed column wasnt draining. Extended drain down into boiler so now is 8" off bottom. Before it stopped at top of boiler. Fiddled with it for a bit with no improvement. Would fill n flood at 2000 watts so it wasnt power related. Figured fuk it n got the saw out and removed plated column from wall n put directly on boiler. Figured that removing one drain will eleminate a variable.
Powered back up and started off good but then packed column drain started filling again drained trap and started over. Same shit drain not draining, fiddled some more n no joy. Fuk it turned reflux off and hit it with 6500watts n stripped it.
After strippin finished put packed into full reflux to see what happened. Drain seamed to be working.
Gotta wait till next ferment is done to see what happens. If still floods i gonna tie drain into boiler drain.
The silly shit we do for a good drink
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Tis that time of year that build bug bits again. And i blame googe for this madness
Right side will have 4 plates feedin packed on left.
Fingers crossed it gonna be. Voddy/neutral pissin beast
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The vapor feed for packed will feed into the back of the 4” of the left 4x2. Thats a trap thay is hangin down.
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I built a side column system and found a couple of things important to the design.
I had placed my bottom plate 12"min above the boiler max fill line. I was told by a commercial distillery equipment manufacture that this is needed to compensate for pressure build-up at each plate. Let's say you have 6 plates at 1" fluid depth per plate that would equal to 6" of water column (this is just an example using easy numbers)
My side columns drain down at each column into a 4" x 3/4" reducer and then into a deep trap.
The three traps then tie into one single line of 1 1/4" size feeding back to the boiler. The connection at the boiler brings the condensate in below the liquid level in the boiler.
BTW the system had complete clean in place (all the yellow valves at the bottom) and the plastic buckets were there just for that purpose.
I would never collect distillate in anything other than glass or stainless.
Wow Windy, that’s a lot of copper! Thanks for your explanation I hadn’t thought about the pressure build up. I know LWTCS has also built side by side columns and may want to weigh in.
Windy City wrote: ↑Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:55 am
I built a side column system...
Yeah you did! Must be quite a ride when she's tuned and pumping out the pride of Chicago. I can't imagine the number of hours you have in design, much less construction. Thanks for sharing.
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jedneck wrote: ↑Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:19 pm
Dayum windy. No wonder I couldn’t find copper
Yeah it is good to own a fairly large plumbing company in this hobby
To be honest I love the build as much as making a great quality product to sip and share with the family.
Just need vapor feed to tie columns together. Thinkin a 3 way valve on top of plates. On side feed packed and other to run as just plates for flavour or heads removal on neutral runs
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Had 3 way valve for few weeks now but finally made time to heat copper. Built a mini reflux condenser for on plates. It just a 4x2 reducer with 2” ran threw it. Still need to tap the inlet and outlet n solder fittings in.
Depending on time of year my coolin water is 42-55*f. Don’t take much to keep plates loaded
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Packed column will have a lm/vm head on it and plates with be cm
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Lil more atoneness with copper. Got vapour feed mocked up. And rebuilt my lm/vm head. Plates and vm gonna share same product condesor
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