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Designing A Recipe: Booner's Corn

Postby fizzix » Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:10 pm

Let's say you didn't know Booner's Casual Corn exists, but you want to invent an all corn recipe.
You want to shoot for 8%ABV using no malt, enzymes only, and wonder how many pounds of corn per gallon would do this.
A diastatic study will do you no good without malts. You'll have to use PPG (points per pound per gallon).
Here's how you "invent" Booner's:

Using the gravity/ABV formula and assuming FG=1.000:
(SG - FG) x 130 = desired 8%
SG = (8% / 130) + 1.000 = 1.062, which is ---->62 PPG

You check a few sites and see corn has a PPG of 33. ---->33 points

Using PPG calculation:
(Gallons x PPG) / points = pounds of grain required =
(1 x 62) / 33 = 1.88 lbs. per gallon

Coincidentally that's close to Booner's 1.8 lbs. per gallon and 8.2%.
Real life being involved, Booner's finished at 0.994 for the author, boosting the ABV from our assumed 1.000 finish and also requiring a little less grain.

Veterans please let me know if I've made errors.

This is just an exercise and tutorial to analyze an obviously proven recipe. I thank all of you that have helped me recently with PPG education.
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Re: Designing A Recipe: Booner's Corn

Postby raketemensch » Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:15 pm

Well, not all corn is created equal. By that I don't mean species, so much as cracked vs meal vs flour.

Even with enzymes, you're going to get closer to 1.88 with meal or flower than with cracked.
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Re: Designing A Recipe: Booner's Corn

Postby fizzix » Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:24 pm

Yes I had a helluva time finding ANYthing on corn PPG so settled for the flaked.
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Re: Designing A Recipe: Booner's Corn

Postby RedwoodHillBilly » Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:10 pm

I generally assume 39 PPG for corn. I grind mine to flour. FWIW, I just did a mash with 100# corn, 10# white wheat malt, 10# 2 row barley malt in 50 gal water. It had an OG of 1.080 and a FG of .998. I'll let you calculate the PPG, the efficiency, and the %ABV.

I'll be stripping it tomorrow.
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Re: Designing A Recipe: Booner's Corn

Postby BayouShine » Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:00 pm

fizzix wrote:Yes I had a helluva time finding ANYthing on corn PPG so settled for the flaked.


Did ya look at the parent site?

http://homedistiller.org/grain/yield/typical
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Re: Designing A Recipe: Booner's Corn

Postby fizzix » Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:30 pm

RedwoodHillBilly wrote:I generally assume 39 PPG for corn. I grind mine to flour. FWIW, I just did a mash with 100# corn, 10# white wheat malt, 10# 2 row barley malt in 50 gal water. It had an OG of 1.080 and a FG of .998. I'll let you calculate the PPG, the efficiency, and the %ABV.

Ok tough guy :lol: pick on the newbie. LOL

(OG-FG) x 130 = ---->10.66% ABV

Total grain = ---->120 lbs.
OG = 1.080 = ----> 80 actual points
Corn PPG ---->39
White wheat PPG = ---->37
2-row PPG = ---->37

50 gallons x 80 points = ---->4000
4000 / 120 lbs. = ---->33.33 PPG

[Corn PPG (39) x 100 lbs.] / 50 gallons = ---->78
[White wheat PPG (37) x 10 lbs.] / 50 gallons = ---->7.4
[2-row PPG (37) x 10 lbs.] / 50 gallons = ---->7.4
Total = 78 + 7.4 + 7.4 = ---->92.8 calculated points

Efficiency = [(actual points) / (calculated points)] x 100 = (80 /92.8 ) x 100 = ---->86.2% efficiency

Thanks RedwoodHillBilly for furthering my education. I need a drink now.
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Re: Designing A Recipe: Booner's Corn

Postby fizzix » Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:34 pm

BayouShine wrote:
fizzix wrote:Yes I had a helluva time finding ANYthing on corn PPG so settled for the flaked.

Did ya look at the parent site?
http://homedistiller.org/grain/yield/typical

Yes. Flaked corn is 33 points typical there as well.
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Re: Designing A Recipe: Booner's Corn

Postby RedwoodHillBilly » Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:58 pm

There you go. I generally figure the malt at 35 PPG, but close enough. See it's not that bad to come up with a recipe based on PPG and DP. The real art (science) is to come up with one that will meet your taste expectations. I have a clue, but just. Still learning, that's the fun in the hobby.
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Re: Designing A Recipe: Booner's Corn

Postby rgreen2002 » Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:54 am

fizzix wrote:Let's say you didn't know Booner's Casual Corn exists, but you want to invent an all corn recipe.
You want to shoot for 8%ABV using no malt, enzymes only, and wonder how many pounds of corn per gallon would do this.
A diastatic study will do you no good without malts. You'll have to use PPG (points per pound per gallon).
Here's how you "invent" Booner's:

Using the gravity/ABV formula and assuming FG=1.000:
(SG - FG) x 130 = desired 8%
SG = (8% / 130) + 1.000 = 1.062, which is ---->62 PPG

You check a few sites and see corn has a PPG of 33. ---->33 points

Using PPG calculation:
(Gallons x PPG) / points = pounds of grain required =
(1 x 62) / 33 = 1.88 lbs. per gallon

Coincidentally that's close to Booner's 1.8 lbs. per gallon and 8.2%.
Real life being involved, Booner's finished at 0.994 for the author, boosting the ABV from our assumed 1.000 finish and also requiring a little less grain.

Veterans please let me know if I've made errors.

This is just an exercise and tutorial to analyze an obviously proven recipe. I thank all of you that have helped me recently with PPG education.


Since you're using enzymes... https://www.brewersfriend.com/homebrew/ ... alculator/

Brewers Friend will do all the calculating for you and you can just plug the numbers in...

That being said.... understanding the calculations is key to all grain mashing.
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Re: Designing A Recipe: Booner's Corn

Postby fizzix » Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:20 am

Thanks for the link rgreen. Oh I'll definitely use calculators once I get used to running numbers manually.
In order to add my value to this community I want to know the who-zits and hows and whys.

No one told me there'd be MATH when I signed up.
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