Was at a Peavy Mart (formerly TSC) the other day...
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Was at a Peavy Mart (formerly TSC) the other day...
And a few bags of potential ingredients fell into my cart. Got a 20kg bag each of cracked corn, whole barley and rolled oats. Almost grabbed the rolled wheat but restrained myself.
I have all three SebStar liquid enzyme products at my disposal and Angel yellow label yeast.
I'm thinking of some kind of whiskey and am curious about suggested grain bills given what I have. Of course I'm willing to get more of one thing or another, or use only a portion of something. I'd be happy to get a sack of malted barley or wheat if an all unmalted grain whiskey is known to be unpalatable.
I have a 55 gallon drum to ferment in, among other options like multiple 20 gallon brutes.
Suggestions?
I have all three SebStar liquid enzyme products at my disposal and Angel yellow label yeast.
I'm thinking of some kind of whiskey and am curious about suggested grain bills given what I have. Of course I'm willing to get more of one thing or another, or use only a portion of something. I'd be happy to get a sack of malted barley or wheat if an all unmalted grain whiskey is known to be unpalatable.
I have a 55 gallon drum to ferment in, among other options like multiple 20 gallon brutes.
Suggestions?
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Re: Was at a Peavy Mart (formerly TSC) the other day...
Grab some blackstrap and make horse feed whisky.
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Re: Was at a Peavy Mart (formerly TSC) the other day...
Angel Yeast will knock that out w/o additional enzymes (from my experience). Maybe 45 corn/45 barley/10 oats ratio of the 3 you have. If you had the wheat maybe 30/30/30/10. Oats content only for adding smoothness/mouthfeel, I assume.
Then do a sugarhead on spent grains. Helps you keep your paws off the AG stuff so it ages to full potential.
I have a Restaurant Store near me & have used the Angel Yeast on a pure corn meal ($19 US for 50# bag), and it's coming along nicely after 2 months. Sugarhead just went into glass with oak spirals & is showing promise as well. I did a quick search of their locations, and looks like they're not in Canada, but have to assume there's a similar chain supply store north of the border??? They also carry rye meal/pumpernickel & I bought a 50# bag of that as well ($34), rolled barley ($31), & oats ($36). The only wheats I found were in flour form, but if you're using Angel Yeast, no issues.
They have an online version of the brick & mortar stores & ship, but there's a cost to that: https://www.webstaurantstore.com/ They carry all the same inventory.
I'm lucky in eastern Pennsylvania to have access to supply stores like that & also a few home brew wholesalers & even malting houses. Check it out where you are -- you may be surprised what's avail nearby.
Good luck & report back on results!
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Then do a sugarhead on spent grains. Helps you keep your paws off the AG stuff so it ages to full potential.
I have a Restaurant Store near me & have used the Angel Yeast on a pure corn meal ($19 US for 50# bag), and it's coming along nicely after 2 months. Sugarhead just went into glass with oak spirals & is showing promise as well. I did a quick search of their locations, and looks like they're not in Canada, but have to assume there's a similar chain supply store north of the border??? They also carry rye meal/pumpernickel & I bought a 50# bag of that as well ($34), rolled barley ($31), & oats ($36). The only wheats I found were in flour form, but if you're using Angel Yeast, no issues.
They have an online version of the brick & mortar stores & ship, but there's a cost to that: https://www.webstaurantstore.com/ They carry all the same inventory.
I'm lucky in eastern Pennsylvania to have access to supply stores like that & also a few home brew wholesalers & even malting houses. Check it out where you are -- you may be surprised what's avail nearby.
Good luck & report back on results!
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Re: Was at a Peavy Mart (formerly TSC) the other day...
If you go with what you have, you might refine your flavors by following 8Ball's lead on roasting your barley and oats.zed255 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:09 am
I'm thinking of some kind of whiskey and am curious about suggested grain bills given what I have. Of course I'm willing to get more of one thing or another, or use only a portion of something. I'd be happy to get a sack of malted barley or wheat if an all unmalted grain whiskey is known to be unpalatable.
Suggestions?
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Re: Was at a Peavy Mart (formerly TSC) the other day...
Use a ziplock bag and a moist paper towel to test the whole barley.
If the barley will germinate, Malt some of it.
While your waiting.
Do a 100% corn mash with enzymes.
If the barley will germinate, Malt some of it.
While your waiting.
Do a 100% corn mash with enzymes.
Re: Was at a Peavy Mart (formerly TSC) the other day...
Geez, never thought about that! I have never malted anything before but it might be worth a shot. If it germinates would you malt at least half?
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Re: Was at a Peavy Mart (formerly TSC) the other day...
I’d make a bourbon with 60% corn + 25% barley + 15% oats.zed255 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:09 am… 20kg bag each of cracked corn
… whole barley
… and rolled oats.
Almost grabbed the rolled wheat but restrained myself. <— would be a nice addition too.
I have all three SebStar liquid enzyme products at my disposal and Angel yellow label yeast.
I'm thinking of some kind of whiskey and am curious about suggested grain bills given what I have…. Suggestions?
If you had the wheat, I’d use 50% corn + 25% wheat + 15% barley + 10% oats.
The oats will add “mouthfeel” and help smooth the “rough edges” from the raw barley. Corn adds the “traditional” bourbon sweetness. Wheat adds a soft, cream-like flavor that really adds to the “bready” grain flavor.
It would make a great signature bourbon for you when aged on toasted and charred oak. But be dilligent when you make cuts so you don’t keep too much of the heads. A little of the “backend” will add a note of “earthiness” which can complement the prodeuct after aging. Keep the cask-entry proof between 60% to 65% ABV. Higher, and it’ll get sharper. Lower, and it’ll get sweeter.
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Re: Was at a Peavy Mart (formerly TSC) the other day...
Great info SS. I am taking notes!still_stirrin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:56 amI’d make a bourbon with 60% corn + 25% barley + 15% oats.zed255 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:09 am… 20kg bag each of cracked corn
… whole barley
… and rolled oats.
Almost grabbed the rolled wheat but restrained myself. <— would be a nice addition too.
I have all three SebStar liquid enzyme products at my disposal and Angel yellow label yeast.
I'm thinking of some kind of whiskey and am curious about suggested grain bills given what I have…. Suggestions?
If you had the wheat, I’d use 50% corn + 25% wheat + 15% barley + 10% oats.
The oats will add “mouthfeel” and help smooth the “rough edges” from the raw barley. Corn adds the “traditional” bourbon sweetness. Wheat adds a soft, cream-like flavor that really adds to the “bready” grain flavor.
It would make a great signature bourbon for you when aged on toasted and charred oak. But be dilligent when you make cuts so you don’t keep too much of the heads. A little of the “backend” will add a note of “earthiness” which can complement the prodeuct after aging. Keep the cask-entry proof between 60% to 65% ABV. Higher, and it’ll get sharper. Lower, and it’ll get sweeter.
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Re: Was at a Peavy Mart (formerly TSC) the other day...
Just noticed we have a Peavy Mart not so far away... Very convenient.
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Re: Was at a Peavy Mart (formerly TSC) the other day...
TSC stock varies by geographic location. Here, the feed room never has anything but cracked and whole corn, sweet COB, and feed with pellets in it. I've only ever seen barley in there once, steam rolled corn on rare occasion, and the rare offering of whole oats. All in 50# sacks. I have three feed stores within a 5 mile drive, and unless I'm ordering by the pallet, I'm limited to what's available in store or, in the case of TSC available for online order and instore pick up. What some of you guys are paying for feed corn and corn meal is a steal compared to here in the Peoples Republic of Washington.
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Re: Was at a Peavy Mart (formerly TSC) the other day...
Just realized we have a Peavy Mart close by. Very handy.
Re: Was at a Peavy Mart (formerly TSC) the other day...
I misspoke on exactly what I had. The barley is rolled, not whole. The wheat I did not get was the whole grain. I may just go and get the wheat as well, they might have rolled wheat.
Either way I'm thinking I will use a large batch mashing technique to soften and hydrate the grains and use the Angel product to do parallel conversion and fermentation. I don't mind bourbon, but I might go with equal parts corn wheat barley and add oats for mouthfeel. I'm also thinking of using my mid-size fermenter (20 gal brute) for the first attempt. If that goes well then step up to the barrel.
Either way I'm thinking I will use a large batch mashing technique to soften and hydrate the grains and use the Angel product to do parallel conversion and fermentation. I don't mind bourbon, but I might go with equal parts corn wheat barley and add oats for mouthfeel. I'm also thinking of using my mid-size fermenter (20 gal brute) for the first attempt. If that goes well then step up to the barrel.
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Re: Was at a Peavy Mart (formerly TSC) the other day...
Started a 5kg grain + 20L water test batch last weekend, 45% corn, 45% barley and 10% oats. just tossed into warm water and pitched the recommended (by percentage weight, 30g) amount of Angel Yellow Label. Wrapped the fermenter with a blanket and put a 12W heater stick on to keep it cozy. Has been merrily fizzing away for the last five days and still working off. I seem to have either some oats or barley that got through the crusher with minimal crush, so maybe next time I will tighten the gap some.
No signs of infection, though it is getting stirred regularly per Angel's instructions for this product. Seems to be chewing through the grains nicely, corn hulls are almost empty of starch. Curious to see what this turns into.
No signs of infection, though it is getting stirred regularly per Angel's instructions for this product. Seems to be chewing through the grains nicely, corn hulls are almost empty of starch. Curious to see what this turns into.
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Re: Was at a Peavy Mart (formerly TSC) the other day...
Hey Zed were you able to buy your Sebstar and Angel yellow through Canadian suppliers?
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Re: Was at a Peavy Mart (formerly TSC) the other day...
Yeah, this stuff is magical.
Do a sugarhead on the "spent" grains. Helps keep your paws off the A/G while it ages.
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Re: Was at a Peavy Mart (formerly TSC) the other day...
It's been a while, but these sources worked for me getting the Angel Yeast:AcadianAlchemist wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:33 am+1
I’ve been looking for the yellow label from a Canadian supplier for a while.
https://www.ebay.com/p/28006985089 <-- I think this one can take 6-8 weeks to arrive, but it's cheaper...
You won't need enzymes with this stuff. It's already in there.
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Re: Was at a Peavy Mart (formerly TSC) the other day...
I did not get either my enzymes (not used in this test batch) nor the Angel products from a Canadian supplier. The Angel was from eBay since Amazon's Canadian site did not list it and listing on the 'Murican site wouldn't ship to Canada. The enzymes were bought when Enzytmash was still in business and I just sucked it up and paid my duties on them.
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Re: Was at a Peavy Mart (formerly TSC) the other day...
Zed,
Need an update please.
Any issues with the fermentation finishing? Infections, smell, etc.
Have you ran it yet? Yield, taste, etc.
Thanks.
opus
Need an update please.
Any issues with the fermentation finishing? Infections, smell, etc.
Have you ran it yet? Yield, taste, etc.
Thanks.
opus
Re: Was at a Peavy Mart (formerly TSC) the other day...
Little to report yet. Fermentation finished out in a little less than two weeks, as judged by no gasses being released on stirring. An infection (lacto maybe?) began to take as soon as fermentation finished, so the spent grain was drained and the wash put into a carboy in the refrigerator. I plan on stripping this soon. Refrigeration seems to have stalled the infection and the wash is gradually clearing, I expect a layer of custard like trub in the carboy.
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Re: Was at a Peavy Mart (formerly TSC) the other day...
Got a dark purple(!) wash after clearing. Stripped it into low wines today. Yield seems low, this might have been a 6ish ABV fermentation. Might not have gotten a great crush on my grains thus preventing full parallel conversion and fermentation. Or maybe Angel likes a higher grain to water ratio, not sure. Low wines smell pretty good. Will see what I get on the spirit run.
Will try another with a finer crush first to see if that helps yield.
Will try another with a finer crush first to see if that helps yield.
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