Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by Fastill » Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:13 pm

Odin wrote:Do you guys like this recipe as a very, very neutral? Just to drink it like that? Or as a basis for maceration, infusion, etc.?

I ask this, because it is the most awsome neutral I ever made. Só neutral, I felt like drinking water. And my brain told me something was not right.

Somehow (but maybe just for me) a vodka should have at least some mouth feel or anything distinguishable left.

Just sharing my thoughts.

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I run this off at 94% and I seem to get some slight brandy tasting notes out of it. I just felt it was because of the tomato paste and sugar combo. Not what I am after in a vodka but it makes for some awsome strawberry p.d. and apple pie.When I want vodka I make rads all bran and add some extra crushed wheat berrys to the mix.
Still Birdwatchers is a great go to when I want more ABV from a neutral.
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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by Andy Capp » Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:51 pm

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Doesn't matter to me cause i'll drink anything. But your right, this stuff is as neutral as it gets. Of late i've been making vodka with the feints from ujssm and austins whiskey runs and you can tell the difference.
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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by Bushman » Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:08 am

Odin, it is very neutral which for me allows me to use it in exactly the manner you suggest (infusion, macerate, or making lemoncillo or apple pie). It is also good for a lot of liqueurs like Kahlua, raspberry liqueur, amaretto, etc. If I use it as a vodka I usually include a vanilla bean or something to add a bit of flavor.

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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by Kidnapper2 » Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:18 am

End of day 1 with this wash. SG is up to 1.100, nice bubble to it. Looks like a soda after being poured into a glass, no foam head on it though. After I got done putting this wash together, while I was cleaning up, I noticed my yeast was expired. Got a little nervous and proof tested it, a little weak. So I hope this isn't gonna kill it. Picked up some champagne yeast last night as a back-up plan.
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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by Kidnapper2 » Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:49 am

Day 2 and the wash is back at the starting SG. Still bubbling nicely.

I will add that for a heat source, as opposed to the light bulb style. I have an open grate patio table sitting above an electric oil heater. Yeah the cheap $30.00 type you can get anywhere. I have it at it's lowest setting and the wash has stayed steady at 32c according to the stick on thermometer

* Day 3 SG at 1.080 same bubble action. All is well
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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by Kidnapper2 » Tue May 01, 2012 5:11 am

Day 4 SG 1.065 bubbles have slowed considerably, yet still steady. Still kept in required heat zones. Smells like a big ole tub of beer.
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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by OlympicMtDoo » Tue May 01, 2012 9:29 am

Whats up now? kiddnapper, it's been hours sense your last report.......just kiddin ya man, I know it is exciting but I have done a lot of birdwatchers now and it is going to be a while before you'r ready to run it. I find that if I let it clear an extra day or two from when I would like to run it, that I get a better result. Good luck and do let us know. :thumbup:
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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by GuyFawkes » Fri May 04, 2012 7:27 pm

Kidnapper2 wrote:Day 4 SG 1.065 bubbles have slowed considerably, yet still steady. Still kept in required heat zones. Smells like a big ole tub of beer.
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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by Kidnapper2 » Tue May 08, 2012 1:32 pm

Regular users have a limit to the edit function. As I have been told by one of the moderators. No worries though
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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by Andy Capp » Tue May 08, 2012 1:55 pm

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How about a report on your wash. Should be finished now and ready to run if you haven't already.
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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by Kidnapper2 » Tue May 08, 2012 3:25 pm

Andy Capp wrote:kidnapper
How about a report on your wash. Should be finished now and ready to run if you haven't already.
Hasn't finished yet. Getting close though. When it finishes in the next day or two, I'm gonna clear it and run it on Sunday.
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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by Kidnapper2 » Mon May 14, 2012 4:47 pm

Stripped it, nice clean and neutral. Output wasn't as much as I had hoped, but I'll trade that for the quality that it gave. I substituted 2 lbs brown sugar in the mix. Turned out nice, using the backset with the Gerber recipe now.
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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by rasher » Sun May 20, 2012 8:39 am

I'll throw my hat in the ring now. Ran my first pot-still "strip" run on 45L yesterday.
OG 1.07, Final SG 1.02 (let it cook for 10 days, but I couldn't wait any longer!) - 6.57% ABV
During the strip run, collected:
250mL foreshots
4 pints (heads?) @ 59%, 59%, 56%, 54% (started cloudy and got clearer)
4 quarts (hearts?) @ 49%, 46%, 42%, 36%
5 pints (tails?) @ 30%, 27%, 23%, 20%, 20%

The "heads" had a solvent-y smell while the "tails" had a sour wet-sock smell. The "heart" were DELICIOUS!
I had originally planned to just toss the entire run into a bucket and save up several of these strip runs for a reflux spirit run, but then a bunch of friends and family came over so I cracked into the hearts.

My plan now is to take the hearts of these strip runs, blend 'em and share them with people as "Aguardiente", a Guatemalen cane liquor I'm familiar with. Then I'll save back the tails and heads and when I end up with 40L or so, reflux 'em through a spirit run and call that my "Krystal Klear Party Liquor".

Either way, my first still run was a SMASHING success, the distillate was very drinkable, my friends and family had a great time and nobody so far has waken up with a hangover. This is a GREAT recipe.

Oh yeah... I poured all the backset back into my fermenters, recharged with more sugar, nutrients and water and then pitched some more yeast this morning.

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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by Andy Capp » Sun May 20, 2012 2:02 pm

rasher
Don't know if too many others here drink BW from a single pot still strip run. You were on the right path with stripping the wash then doing a reflux spirit run. Stick with the recipe and you'll be over the moon with the results.
Let us know how your backset wash turns out.
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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by rad14701 » Sun May 20, 2012 2:53 pm

It would have paid to remain patient and let the wash ferment to dry... :think: You gave away ~4% ABV... :thumbdown: You need to learn to sit on your hands and wait... :thumbup:

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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by mash rookie » Sun May 20, 2012 3:30 pm

rasher wrote: Oh yeah... I poured all the backset back into my fermenters, recharged with more sugar, nutrients and water and then pitched some more yeast this morning.
Your backset from the still or your lees from the fermenter? The lees will have live yeast ready to rock and roll. Good for neutral birdwatchers.

Backset or dunder is typically only used for whiskey or rum to enhance flavor. Not such a good idea for vodka.
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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by blakey70 » Thu May 24, 2012 2:50 am

Hello I am a novice distiller and have started out with an air still. I would like to use this recipe for my wash but am unsure how to continue the process. Do you add the liquid carbon to this as well and I have been using turbo clear to finish the wash. Any tips on how to complete this process so it is ready for the still would be much appreciated. I would be making 25 litres. Thankyou

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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by Andy Capp » Thu May 24, 2012 2:08 pm

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BW is the easiest recipe here.
If you follow the recipe it will be ready for the Airstill as is. No need for carbon or turbo clear.
When the wash has finished, let it settle and clear for a few days before putting the required amount into your Airstill.
Follow the guidelines regarding foreshots and cuts and you will have the best an Airstill can produce.
Have a really good read of this site for a while before doing anything else.

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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by jimmycrackedcorn » Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:59 pm

Soooo excited. Started my first batch of bw and it is already workin away. after 15 minutes it has a 1/2 inch krausen.

5 gal water
1 lemon
11 lbs sugar
3/4 tsp epson
6 oz tom paste
70 grams yeast
SG 1.85

pitched yeast 10:30 pm
91F
10:45 bubbling away

will keep you all posted
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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by jimmycrackedcorn » Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:54 am

12 hours later. this recipe rocks :D
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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by Bushman » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:42 am

Looks like you got it right, mine usually take about three weeks, varies a bit so let Her do her thing :thumbup:

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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by Manstra » Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:46 am

Hi guys,

I am a novice to this and this is my first wash. I made 25l as per the recipe. (Starting SG 1.06 - finishing SG .990)
I have a reflux still and ran it a couple of days ago. I threw out the first 100 - 150 ml and ended up with just under 2l of clear @ 90%
The question I have is that it smells a little like metholated spirits. Not bad.. but it is there. I have not yet dileted to 40% or tried it. The guys at my Local Homebrew shop suggested I run it through a carbon filter. Should I do this?

Should I dilute and rerun through the still? or should I just dilute and try it the way it is?

I have a second wash on now that was active within 2 mins of putting the yeast in. VERY impressed.

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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by rad14701 » Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:41 pm

Manstra wrote:Hi guys,

I am a novice to this and this is my first wash. I made 25l as per the recipe. (Starting SG 1.06 - finishing SG .990)
I have a reflux still and ran it a couple of days ago. I threw out the first 100 - 150 ml and ended up with just under 2l of clear @ 90%
The question I have is that it smells a little like metholated spirits. Not bad.. but it is there. I have not yet dileted to 40% or tried it. The guys at my Local Homebrew shop suggested I run it through a carbon filter. Should I do this?

Should I dilute and rerun through the still? or should I just dilute and try it the way it is?

I have a second wash on now that was active within 2 mins of putting the yeast in. VERY impressed.
Did you make proper cuts or just toss some foreshots...??? How to make cuts, collect in multiple small jars, air, and blending, are all part of what we consider mandatory reading in the New Distiller Reading Lounge...

Don't bother carbon filtering...

You can dilute and redistill it the right way which would be great practice...

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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by Manstra » Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:15 am

rad14701 wrote:
Manstra wrote:Hi guys,

I am a novice to this and this is my first wash. I made 25l as per the recipe. (Starting SG 1.06 - finishing SG .990)
I have a reflux still and ran it a couple of days ago. I threw out the first 100 - 150 ml and ended up with just under 2l of clear @ 90%
The question I have is that it smells a little like metholated spirits. Not bad.. but it is there. I have not yet dileted to 40% or tried it. The guys at my Local Homebrew shop suggested I run it through a carbon filter. Should I do this?

Should I dilute and rerun through the still? or should I just dilute and try it the way it is?

I have a second wash on now that was active within 2 mins of putting the yeast in. VERY impressed.
Did you make proper cuts or just toss some foreshots...??? How to make cuts, collect in multiple small jars, air, and blending, are all part of what we consider mandatory reading in the New Distiller Reading Lounge...

Don't bother carbon filtering...

You can dilute and redistill it the right way which would be great practice...
Thanks Rad.
I just tossed forshots and collected the rest... Trick for new players huh??
I will do some more reading and try to get it right.

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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by oakback » Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:01 am

mash rookie wrote:
rasher wrote: Oh yeah... I poured all the backset back into my fermenters, recharged with more sugar, nutrients and water and then pitched some more yeast this morning.
Your backset from the still or your lees from the fermenter? The lees will have live yeast ready to rock and roll. Good for neutral birdwatchers.

Backset or dunder is typically only used for whiskey or rum to enhance flavor. Not such a good idea for vodka.
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I must use hot water to dissolve the sugar, will this "hurt" the yeast?

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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by rad14701 » Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:51 am

oakback wrote:
mash rookie wrote:
rasher wrote: Oh yeah... I poured all the backset back into my fermenters, recharged with more sugar, nutrients and water and then pitched some more yeast this morning.
Your backset from the still or your lees from the fermenter? The lees will have live yeast ready to rock and roll. Good for neutral birdwatchers.

Backset or dunder is typically only used for whiskey or rum to enhance flavor. Not such a good idea for vodka.
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I must use hot water to dissolve the sugar, will this "hurt" the yeast?
The dissolved sugar mix needs to be cooled before pitching yeast... Don't get your terms confused...
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What is left in your still after distillation. Referred to as ”Dunder” when Rum has been distilled

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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by Samohon » Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:27 pm

This has to be the easiest neutral wash recipe. Never fails for me.

But as Rad pointed out oakback, by all means add hot water to your sugar, it will help to disolve it quicky.
But be sure to let it cool to < 25°C before adding (pitching) your yeast... :thumbup:
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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by jimmycrackedcorn » Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:53 am

Just finished running my first batch of bw thru my reflux and i cannot begin to tell you how impressed i am with this recipe. easy to mix up, fermentation is very quick (6 days start to finish), and the flavor is absolutely fantastic. thanks to everyone that helped me along the way and a giant thank you goes out to Birdwatcher for sharing this recipe. Time to partake of this labor of love after 10 hours of cooking. cheers all.

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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by youraussiemate » Sun Jul 01, 2012 12:11 am

my wash isnt bubbling, should it be?
it was bubbling and foaming on the first night i put it in then overnight the temperature dropped to 18 degrees celcious and im wondering if this might have caused it? its back up to 28 degrees after changing the heating element and has been sitting at that for a day and a half.
there is some activity going on in the mash with water swirling around and stuff like that

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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by Bushman » Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:07 am

youraussiemate wrote:my wash isnt bubbling, should it be?
it was bubbling and foaming on the first night i put it in then overnight the temperature dropped to 18 degrees celcious and im wondering if this might have caused it? its back up to 28 degrees after changing the heating element and has been sitting at that for a day and a half.
there is some activity going on in the mash with water swirling around and stuff like that
Are you using an airlock or looking directly at the wash? Sometimes the lid does not get a good seal so you get a false reading with airlock.

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