Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by BoomTown » Sun Jun 07, 2020 6:38 am

garnern2 wrote:
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Since no one gave me a straight up or down opinion on Distiller's Active Dry Yeast in this recipe, and since I ran it a few nights ago and wasn't happy with the results, I decided to make it again. I made a 6 Gal batch then split into two fermenters, one with baker's yeast and one with DADY. We will see how it progresses.
My money’s on the DADY!
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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by Bushman » Sun Jun 07, 2020 6:40 am

Everyone has different tastes, let us know your results not only in taste but production.

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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by garnern2 » Sun Jun 07, 2020 4:57 pm

BoomTown wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 6:38 am
garnern2 wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:08 pm
Since no one gave me a straight up or down opinion on Distiller's Active Dry Yeast in this recipe, and since I ran it a few nights ago and wasn't happy with the results, I decided to make it again. I made a 6 Gal batch then split into two fermenters, one with baker's yeast and one with DADY. We will see how it progresses.
My money’s on the DADY!
Gotta be honest...I used DADY last time and couldn't get the fermentation to complete. I used straight up spring water this time rather than treated city water, so we'll see what happens. So far, the baker's yeast is actually fermenting more vigorously.

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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by PoorBoyJack » Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:33 am

I have put off mine for now. I have some turbo crap laying around, so I am blasting through it first. Might as well!

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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by The Baker » Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:57 am

PoorBoyJack wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:33 am
I have put off mine for now. I have some turbo crap laying around, so I am blasting through it first. Might as well!
Why even bother?

Baker's yeast is so inexpensive.

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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by NZChris » Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:33 am

PoorBoyJack wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:33 am
I have put off mine for now. I have some turbo crap laying around, so I am blasting through it first. Might as well!
Save it for the day when you have a stuck ferment and everything else you've tried hasn't worked.

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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by garnern2 » Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:47 am

Update: there's definitely a difference between the two yeasts, and I'm more impressed by the standard baker's yeast.

Baker's Yeast: Due to the temperature still being close to 90F, my 60F hydrometer actually sinks lower than its lowest marking! The sample was also relatively clear, which could be a contributing factor in the differences. The taste was sour, watery, and slightly acidic with only a slight aroma of tomato.

DADY: It's still slightly above 1.00 with the DADY with no sign of activity, and the yeast is obviously suspended much more than in the baker's yeast sample, which could account for the higher SG, but I doubt it fully accounts for this much of a visible difference on the hydrometer reading. The taste was more nutty and yeasty than its sister batch.

The batches were identical in ingredients and volume. I oxygenated each batch with pure O2 for an identical amount of time. The DADY did perform better this time than it did the last, but I have a hunch it had to do with it being a smaller volume (although this is purely a guess).

I am not going to run these separately since I need to completely cover my element, so this is as far as I can go with the experiment. I'll be using baker's yeast for this from now on. Maybe I have a dud batch of DADY, but that's doubtful. I'm just not impressed with it in general.

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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by jdetechguy » Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:12 am

I really like baker's yeast all around. But, its not so easy to find in these parts of Ohio, USA. DADY is more available through the brew supply shops.

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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by BoomTown » Fri Jun 19, 2020 5:54 am

garnern2 wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 4:57 pm
BoomTown wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 6:38 am
garnern2 wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:08 pm
Since no one gave me a straight up or down opinion on Distiller's Active Dry Yeast in this recipe, and since I ran it a few nights ago and wasn't happy with the results, I decided to make it again. I made a 6 Gal batch then split into two fermenters, one with baker's yeast and one with DADY. We will see how it progresses.
My money’s on the DADY!
Gotta be honest...I used DADY last time and couldn't get the fermentation to complete. I used straight up spring water this time rather than treated city water, so we'll see what happens. So far, the baker's yeast is actually fermenting more vigorously.
I’ve now got two small(16L) pots fermenting with DADY. They seem to be taking longer that similar washes in these pots When I USP Ed Red Hat Bakers yeast. I check and record readings everyday, the DADY pots are dropping 6 or 8 points per day, where with Red Hat Bakers yeast they went down 10 or 12 points everyday. Since I’ve only just restarted this
hobby, I haven’t got enough inventory to compare tastes between the out puts, but plan to do that maybe in August, after I have several batches of each aged (as in allowed to air out) 3 or four weeks. I’ll taste test the White, and move the best tasting White to my little 3 Gal Gibbs, and lock down the recipe till I have enough to fill my 10 Gal Gibbs for a 3 year ageing cycle. The other spirit, I plan to age on oak sticks in half gallon jars, and maybe steep in herbs intended to produce a gin.

I’m assuming I’ll be working with a ‘taste neutral’ spirit but we’ll see.

I’m making what I suspect will be a light rum using raw (brown) sugar and Birdwatcher’s recipe. Learning how my new gear works for this project in preparation for making Absynth Later in the fall, after the plants I have on the balcony garden are big enough to harvest.

At any rate, I plan to continue using the DADY as it’s supposed to be able to produce higher ABV from sugar rich washes.
“…Let’s do this one more time....”

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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by garnern2 » Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:17 pm

BoomTown wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 6:38 am
I’ve now got two small(16L) pots fermenting with DADY. They seem to be taking longer that similar washes in these pots When I USP Ed Red Hat Bakers yeast. I check and record readings everyday, the DADY pots are dropping 6 or 8 points per day, where with Red Hat Bakers yeast they went down 10 or 12 points everyday. Since I’ve only just restarted this
hobby, I haven’t got enough inventory to compare tastes between the out puts, but plan to do that maybe in August, after I have several batches of each aged (as in allowed to air out) 3 or four weeks. I’ll taste test the White, and move the best tasting White to my little 3 Gal Gibbs, and lock down the recipe till I have enough to fill my 10 Gal Gibbs for a 3 year ageing cycle. The other spirit, I plan to age on oak sticks in half gallon jars, and maybe steep in herbs intended to produce a gin.

I’m assuming I’ll be working with a ‘taste neutral’ spirit but we’ll see.

I’m making what I suspect will be a light rum using raw (brown) sugar and Birdwatcher’s recipe. Learning how my new gear works for this project in preparation for making Absynth Later in the fall, after the plants I have on the balcony garden are big enough to harvest.

At any rate, I plan to continue using the DADY as it’s supposed to be able to produce higher ABV from sugar rich washes.
I have brewed beer since 2003 and I'm familiar with proper fermentation practices. I have used baker's yeast for meads before, but I had never used DADY. I've now used DADY twice and, for me, it isn't as capable as baker's yeast. The yeast selection for beer, mead, wine, and champagne is incredibly important because the flavor profile relies on it almost exclusively. I don't have enough experience with distilling to know if yeast has the same impact in terms of flavor. Either way, with as little yield as I can get from my 8 gallon boiler, I want the maximum alcohol in a wash without going beyond the threshold of producing off flavors, etc. The last batch (my first) using DADY never finished fermentation--I ended at 1.010. It has an almost cloying but strangely not off-putting sweet flavor, and I made cuts in 8 ounce jars (without being able to find one jar without that particular flavor).

Anyway...the baker's yeast fermented more completely this go-round, and I gave the batches almost 2.5 weeks to finish.

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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by linuxrulesok » Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:04 pm

I've just finished blending my 1st Birdwatchers.

Did a few things differently with this one, this is only my 4th ever batch and 1st birdwatchers. Copper mesh in my column for 1st time.

Did my striping run as normal, but left my cuts from my spirit run to air for 48hrs. This made a massive difference.

I decided to discard more of the fores/heads than I usually do, but the tails from this were quite pleasant and virtually tasteless.

Once I'd discarded what I didn't want I ended up with 75% abv which I'm quite happy with.

Diluted to 37.5% and sampling a glass while writing this and it's so much more pleasant than the first three batches.

I have a question though, will leaving the caps loose and airing help the taste improve?

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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by Undies » Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:52 pm

I was wondering along these lines too. Leaving the lid off (or covered with cloth) a demijohn - will that air it out, or does it need a large mouth?
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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by BoomTown » Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:51 am

garnern2 wrote:
Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:17 pm
BoomTown wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 6:38 am
I’ve now got two small(16L) pots fermenting with DADY. They seem to be taking longer that similar washes in these pots When I USP Ed Red Hat Bakers yeast. I check and record readings everyday, the DADY pots are dropping 6 or 8 points per day, where with Red Hat Bakers yeast they went down 10 or 12 points everyday. Since I’ve only just restarted this
hobby, I haven’t got enough inventory to compare tastes between the out puts, but plan to do that maybe in August, after I have several batches of each aged (as in allowed to air out) 3 or four weeks. I’ll taste test the White, and move the best tasting White to my little 3 Gal Gibbs, and lock down the recipe till I have enough to fill my 10 Gal Gibbs for a 3 year ageing cycle. The other spirit, I plan to age on oak sticks in half gallon jars, and maybe steep in herbs intended to produce a gin.

I’m assuming I’ll be working with a ‘taste neutral’ spirit but we’ll see.

Am beginning to get disenchanted with DADY. FErments that should take 3 or 4 day, are going 6 or 8.

I’m making what I suspect will be a light rum using raw (brown) sugar and Birdwatcher’s recipe. Learning how my new gear works for this project in preparation for making Absynth Later in the fall, after the plants I have on the balcony garden are big enough to harvest.

At any rate, I plan to continue using the DADY as it’s supposed to be able to produce higher ABV from sugar rich washes.
I have brewed beer since 2003 and I'm familiar with proper fermentation practices. I have used baker's yeast for meads before, but I had never used DADY. I've now used DADY twice and, for me, it isn't as capable as baker's yeast. The yeast selection for beer, mead, wine, and champagne is incredibly important because the flavor profile relies on it almost exclusively. I don't have enough experience with distilling to know if yeast has the same impact in terms of flavor. Either way, with as little yield as I can get from my 8 gallon boiler, I want the maximum alcohol in a wash without going beyond the threshold of producing off flavors, etc. The last batch (my first) using DADY never finished fermentation--I ended at 1.010. It has an almost cloying but strangely not off-putting sweet flavor, and I made cuts in 8 ounce jars (without being able to find one jar without that particular flavor).

Anyway...the baker's yeast fermented more completely this go-round, and I gave the batches almost 2.5 weeks to finish.
“…Let’s do this one more time....”

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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by rubberduck71 » Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:04 am

Sailman wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 4:24 pm
IMG_20200525_201637.jpgIt's day 8 of the birdwatchers fermentation. The cap has fallen and it doesn't appear to have any more activity. So before I take the FG and rack it into a carboy to settle out does this look normal?
I finished my first BW wash last week & got these same "floating islands" of TP remnants. I racked to new bucket, added Turbo Clear & racked again to get a clean wash.

Stripped once & then spirit run through my small pot still. 1st two 100 ml after fores taken off very headsy, but after that had damn near 1000 ml of very nice stuff all the way down to 40%. Heads/tails went into feints jar.

Using it with some local black berries for panty dropper! :thumbup:
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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by BoomTown » Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:52 pm

rubberduck71 wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:04 am
Sailman wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 4:24 pm
IMG_20200525_201637.jpgIt's day 8 of the birdwatchers fermentation. The cap has fallen and it doesn't appear to have any more activity. So before I take the FG and rack it into a carboy to settle out does this look normal?
I finished my first BW wash last week & got these same "floating islands" of TP remnants. I racked to new bucket, added Turbo Clear & racked again to get a clean wash.

Stripped once & then spirit run through my small pot still. 1st two 100 ml after fores taken off very headsy, but after that had damn near 1000 ml of very nice stuff all the way down to 40%. Heads/tails went into feints jar.

Using it with some local black berries for panty dropper! :thumbup:
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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by Wolfhound » Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:33 pm

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Have my first batch going today.

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Re: Birdwatchers sugar wash recipe

Post by Black Hearts » Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:29 am

lilye wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:19 pm
I agree with husker. this recipe has less variables than others and as a newbie I am exciting about trying it out. I am sticking to the formula only dividing the ingredients by 4 to give me a yield of about 5 gallons of wash. I have a one gallon "Mr. distiller" table top distiller and want to keep it simple.

My only problem is that my hydrometer shattered into tiny pieces. now that I am living in Panama it is exceedingly difficult to find supplies her. I have ordered another but with everything in the country being frozen indefinitely no telling when it will arrive.

With all this time on my hands I'd like to go ahead and try it anyway. Can I assume that if there is a lot of activity after I pitch the yeast that things will proceed along as they should. I did make a few Uncle Remus' vodka ( hope I recall that correctly) and so that went pretty well for me.

Any advise, comments or suggestions??? Oh, did I mention blue laws are also in affect in this country and have been for most of March?

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