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Re: Booner's Casual All Corn

Postby WIski » Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:51 am

Nice.....
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Re: Booner's Casual All Corn

Postby ShineonCrazyDiamond » Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:26 am

Going to be a busy weekend!. 40 gallons ready, 40 bubbling hard, and laying down another 40 more tomorrow. For a brief moment before I start stripping, I will have 120 gallons of Booners mash in different stages of the process.

Hope I like it :ebiggrin: ! Should be enough to get me my 5 gallons of keeps to fill a barrel in a couple weeks. :thumbup:
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Re: Booner's Casual All Corn

Postby WIski » Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:10 pm

I have done a few Booners style and have liked the results a lot. I hope you enjoy yours as well. I am still toying with the backset playing forward but the recent conversations on reactions between acids and alcohol have made thos theory much clearer for me.
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Re: Booner's Casual All Corn

Postby Still Life » Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:54 pm

oooooooooohhhh
First keeper drops are coming out of the spout.
Sweeeet and luscious!
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Re: Booner's Casual All Corn

Postby flyweed » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:03 am

so i am going to make this, this weekend. I picked up a 50lb bag of cracked corn..I am gonna run it through my grinder, to make it a little finer.... I also picked up a 14 gallon food grade barrel, with locking lid. Would I be able to fit 12 gallons of water and basing on 2lbs of corn per gallon of water. 24lbs of corn. Will that fit in the barrel, or is that too much water and corn for a 14 gallon barrel for fermenting out in??

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Re: Booner's Casual All Corn

Postby RedwoodHillBilly » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:12 am

flyweed wrote:so i am going to make this, this weekend. I picked up a 50lb bag of cracked corn..I am gonna run it through my grinder, to make it a little finer.... I also picked up a 14 gallon food grade barrel, with locking lid. Would I be able to fit 12 gallons of water and basing on 2lbs of corn per gallon of water. 24lbs of corn. Will that fit in the barrel, or is that too much water and corn for a 14 gallon barrel for fermenting out in??

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The grain and water will just barely fit, but you will have a vigorous ferment with no head space. Expect a mess to clean up. I do 50 gal ferments in a 55 gal barrel, but I use a 2" spool into a bucket of water as an airlock. Tried it once with a 1/2" tube, and spent some time getting acquainted with a mop.

You might want to do a 10 gal ferment instead.
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Re: Booner's Casual All Corn

Postby flyweed » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:30 am

yeah, I think that's what I'll do...rather than pushing my luck...I'll do either 10 or 11 gallons of water and 20-22lbs of cracked corn. Should leave me enough head space.
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Re: Booner's Casual All Corn

Postby Borneogoat » Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:31 pm

I've read all the way through this post, but it was over a month ago. Now I've got my enzymes and have a simple question ... hoping to avoid the hours it took to read the whole thread! Do I need to mash-in with the entire wash volume? For my 21gal batch, do I need to add the full 21gal with the 38lbs corn and mash the whole mess or can I add a lessor volume like in AG homebrewing? A lessor volume would be quicker to temp and less to transfer in my very manual system....
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Re: Booner's Casual All Corn

Postby HDNB » Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:54 pm

i cook corn with 75% of the water volume, the other 25% goes in for cooling and clean out. works for me.

if that helps your question
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Re: Booner's Casual All Corn

Postby Borneogoat » Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:04 pm

That's good to hear! Anyone tried less, 50% or even less? The less I transfer, the easier on my back...
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Re: Booner's Casual All Corn

Postby Hilltop » Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:27 pm

Borneogoat wrote:I've read all the way through this post, but it was over a month ago. Now I've got my enzymes and have a simple question ... hoping to avoid the hours it took to read the whole thread! Do I need to mash-in with the entire wash volume? For my 21gal batch, do I need to add the full 21gal with the 38lbs corn and mash the whole mess or can I add a lessor volume like in AG homebrewing? A lessor volume would be quicker to temp and less to transfer in my very manual system....


You steam cooking the corn? If so your boiler will add water back during the process. Most use roughly 2 pounds of grain per gallon, which would be 19 gallons of water. Here's how I do it. I grind 70 pounds of whole corn to meal using my blender. I then grind 15 pounds of oats and 15 pounds wheat. I put this and a coffee can of oyster shell in a 55 gallon blue food grade drum and dump 20 gallons of boiling water on it and stir, I then fill my barrel up and turn my steam wand on from my boiler.

Once I hit 200 I let it set, turn off heat at 190 I add my enzyme. I use whisky yeast that has the second enzyme in it, so once it cools overnight to 90 degrees, I add my yeast. Most do not cook corn long enough or get it to temp. Grinding the corn fine helps, but it's a mess to strain. Now I realize that's not Booners, but it grew from his recipe, I find the hint of oats and wheat make one hell of a fine whisky.

I have went back to adding 25 pounds of sugar per drum to boost my yield some. My still is dripping good tonight.
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Re: Booner's Casual All Corn

Postby NattyBoh » Mon Jan 01, 2018 11:02 am

Just had my second unsuccessful run of this recipe. The problem I imagine is more of my rig than the recipe. Made two identical mashes of 15 gallons with 30 lbs of cornmeal. Both finished in a week to 1.000 with 8%. Running through a 3 plate flute. Had coolant water diled in to 2L/min and stabilized after an hour heat up for 20 mins. Collected 250ml fores then started collecting in 400ml jars. On both runs, temp hung around 77-78 and ABV at 86-87. Then at jar 5, stream went down to a trickle but the temp wasn't rising. I opened valve a touch and tried increasing amps from 16 where I started to over 17 and still couldn't get takeoff to increase. I can't imagine I was in tails already. Anyway, just turned off deflag and collected everything as a strip run. Before it slowed down I did not taste the sweet corniness others have described. Any suggestions where I messed up?
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Re: Booner's Casual All Corn

Postby fizzix » Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:52 am

Assuming one has already invested in enzymes, this Booner's must be the least expensive drink around these h'yere parts.
These last few all grains I've done have paid the light bills at the brew shop. Time for a cash output rest. My farmer's co-op sells a bushel of cracked corn for $8.

I see "sweet" being the predominant flavor description for Booner's throughout this thread. Does anyone have a better characterization? Just curious, and regardless this is next on my list anyway.
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Re: Booner's Casual All Corn

Postby Oldvine Zin » Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:31 pm

Hilltop wrote:I have went back to adding 25 pounds of sugar per drum to boost my yield some. My still is dripping good tonight.


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Re: Booner's Casual All Corn

Postby Due51 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:25 am

Howdy-

I'm on my second mash this "season" and I'm having a hell of a time getting any kind of respectable SG.
I use 15# of cracked corn, 8# 6-row, 5# rye and SebStar enzymes.
My first mash yielded 1.028 and this weekend was 1.020
I don't know what's going on. I'm mindful of my Ph and Temps but still not getting good saccharificatiuon. Iodine tests indicate starch conversion (light yellowish? I'm color blind. But it's definitely not black or purple).

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15# cracked corn into my mash tun with steam head connected to my boiler.
Added 5gallons of 160degree washback&water.
Applied steam and brought temp up to 185. Checked Ph - 6.14
Added SebStar HTL. Stirred and let set overnight.
Added 3 gallons water to bring temp to 125.
Adjusted Ph with citric acid - Ph 4.25
Added SebAmyl. Stirred and let set for 120 minutes.
Applied heat and brought temp to 158.
Added grain which brought temp to 153.
Stirred and let set for 120 minutes.
Drained.
Sparged with 5 gallons of 179degree water.
Yielded between 9-10gallons of mash.

Rinsed grain again with 4 gallons of 185degree water for washback.

I should be getting a lot better SG.
Does anyone have any suggestions or see what I'm doing wrong?
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Re: Booner's Casual All Corn

Postby bilgriss » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:32 am

Were all the grains after the corn ground or crushed finely?

If your iodine test says there are no starches, then the starches must not have been made available to the enzymes somehow.
Or your measurement is wrong.
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Re: Booner's Casual All Corn

Postby Due51 » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:19 pm

The corn is bagged but I buy it from a local feed store and know the owner pretty well.
The grains are bought and crushed at my Homebrew shop.
The measurements are on. I weigh everything.

I'm stumped.
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Re: Booner's Casual All Corn

Postby fizzix » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:31 pm

Thinking out loud.
Try running the next corn through the blender and make meal flour out of it and expose that corny goodness.
I do that and haven't had any failures yet.
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Re: Booner's Casual All Corn

Postby HDNB » Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:00 pm

Added SebAmyl. Stirred and let set for 120 minutes.
Applied heat and brought temp to 158.
Added grain which brought temp to 153.


125* and 4.25 should be ok...but the heating to 158? with steam? maybe denatured the enzyme (steam is entering at 212*)

but then what the enzyme didn't get at 125*, the six row should have caught. the rye malted? they say unmalted rye will convert itself, but i don't know that from experience...

i'd get the heat to 150 ish before the sebamylgl and then let it cool. (do the seb and malt at the same time)
4.25 is low for my protocol but within the enzyme's range...i'd be worrying more about the yeast down there.

beat's me why yer not getting 1.55-.06 with that recipe. are your measuring devices accurate and temp calibrated?
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Re: Booner's Casual All Corn

Postby Due51 » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:13 am

HDNB wrote:125* and 4.25 should be ok...but the heating to 158? with steam? maybe denatured the enzyme (steam is entering at 212*)

I held it at 125 for a couple hours, to allow the enzymes to do their work. Then, I used the steam head to raise the temp to 158* so I could mash in the crushed malted grain.

i'd get the heat to 150 ish before the sebamylgl and then let it cool. (do the seb and malt at the same time)
4.25 is low for my protocol but within the enzyme's range...i'd be worrying more about the yeast down there.

I'll try that the next time. Thanks.
are your measuring devices accurate and temp calibrated?

I use two different thermometers (analog dial AND a digital probe). Both were reading the same temp.
I measure the corn out in "bowl fulls" which weigh about 1lb each. The grain was weighed at the LHBS.
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Re: Booner's Casual All Corn

Postby Due51 » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:20 am

fizzix wrote:Thinking out loud.
Try running the next corn through the blender and make meal flour out of it and expose that corny goodness.
I do that and haven't had any failures yet.

Thank you. I have a mill in the lab. I'll crush it more before the next time.
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Re: Booner's Casual All Corn

Postby Due51 » Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:04 am

I'm embarrassed to say, my SG issue was nothing more than a poorly calibrated hydrometer.
Ran another mash today and got 1.060.

I tried something new this time:
I put 5# cracked corn into my pressure cooker with 1.5 gallons of washback.
Pressure cooked for 30 minutes at 15psi.
It wasn't that much work, and I felt like I got better results.
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Re: Booner's Casual All Corn

Postby fizzix » Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:17 am

ah good news, Due. Glad to hear you're on your way.
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Re: Booner's Casual All Corn

Postby Hilltop » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:53 pm

fizzix wrote:Thinking out loud.
Try running the next corn through the blender and make meal flour out of it and expose that corny goodness.
I do that and haven't had any failures yet.


I second that. The best whisky is not made from feed corn, it's made from sweet corn, or super sweet. It has double the sugar feed corn does, but alas, we can only get it in season
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