Pugi's Rum or "Pugirum"

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Re: Pugi's Rum or "Pugirum"

Post by Dnderhead » Sat Aug 16, 2008 5:01 pm

I thank the blood meal your problem--- . mite have bad taste/color /smell


I cam back to add that it makes a difference what kind of still you using if it is a pot then off flavors/smells etc can carry over
if it is a reflux should not have much flavor/taste/color

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Re: Pugi's Rum or "Pugirum"

Post by trthskr4 » Sun Aug 17, 2008 2:32 am

If I let my still head set up for long (month or so) without running the fores on the first batch I run have the yellow tint but it clears after that, you could have puked or boiled your wash up into your head and that would explain the color and black flecks. then again your head might have just been dirty.
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Re: Pugi's Rum or "Pugirum"

Post by GreenEarth » Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:00 am

Your Yeast bomb works great!!!!
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Re: Pugi's Rum or "Pugirum"

Post by trimpy » Fri Sep 26, 2008 7:36 am

I just wanted to thank Pugi for all his work on this.

My spirit run was completed the other day and though I'd share.

I made 2x20 gallon batches of wash. The second wash got dunder from the stripping runs on the first batch. I didn't use a yeast bomb, just 1 cup of bakers yeast per batch. It took about 4 days to ferment out to 7.5% ABV.

My spirit run consisted of 5 gallons of 40% with 5 gallons of dunder. It took around 5 hours; starting at 80% and going down to 20%. I tossed about 1L of heads, collected 9.6L and made a cut at 50%, discarded to 40% and collected another 1.5L from 40% to 20% for the rum oils.

My 9.6L was 70% and is sitting on medium toast oak cubes, cloves, cinnamon, and a star anise currently. It tasted VERY rummy off the still. I couldn't help grabbing 50ml to pass the time.

Thanks again Pugi... I can't wait to try this one again!

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Re: Pugi's Rum or "Pugirum"

Post by GreenEarth » Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:31 pm

It worked Great for me too! and did a little better on ABV
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Re: Pugi's Rum or "Pugirum"

Post by violentblue » Sun Sep 28, 2008 9:34 am

heading out to the folks at christmas, left my keg still with my stepdad last time I went out there, a week or so before we head out that way he'd going to put a couple batches on.
that coupled with the wine thats gone a little off from my mothers vinyard, I think we'll be set for booze for some time to come.

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Re: Pugi's Rum or "Pugirum"

Post by punkin » Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:48 am

Been running two 35 l fermenters of this brew for a couplea weeks now.
Haven't done a spirit run yet, but i'm stripping 5l tween 60% and 20% every 4 or 5 days from each drum.

Might use the first 4 strips to run my LM and see if i can get the taste back out of it, if so, i've found a brew that uses 1.5kg of raw sugar as about the only cost to me. If i replace that raw sugar with white sugar (i get a few bags for free now and then) and use my free mollasses, i'll have a brew for the price of the two multivitamins and the 1/4 cup bakers yeast 8)

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Re: Pugi's Rum or "Pugirum"

Post by violentblue » Sun Sep 28, 2008 2:04 pm

was thinking of doing a run using raw sugar and a single gallon of molasses for a little lighter flavor, any issues with this? how much raw sugar should I substitute for the brown sugar and gallon of molasses?

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Re: Pugi's Rum or "Pugirum"

Post by punkin » Sun Sep 28, 2008 4:41 pm

violentblue wrote:was thinking of doing a run using raw sugar and a single gallon of molasses for a little lighter flavor, any issues with this? how much raw sugar should I substitute for the brown sugar and gallon of molasses?

From my limited experience with this recipe, i believe you can 'lighten' the flavour by adjusting the amount of dunder you use.

My first batch benefited from 4l of dunder that i had in my freezer from last year (i've scaled the batch to my fermenters and it means it should have 8 litres dunder).
The next fermenter (#2) i put down, i had no dunder, then when i'd run the original fermenter #1 full i had the full 8l worth to top it up again.

The difference in the three strips was very marked, the ferment with no dunder was a very light tasting and smelling rum.

I would try that first if i was looking to lighten the flavour, try half dunder, and if it's too strong still try none (matbe use a bit of citric acid to lower ph if nessercary).

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Re: Pugi's Rum or "Pugirum"

Post by big_daddy_d » Tue Oct 07, 2008 11:48 am

I have question i did a search no hits. How do yall save your dunder by freezing and if so what do you freeze it in?

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Re: Pugi's Rum or "Pugirum"

Post by minime » Tue Oct 07, 2008 11:59 am

big_daddy_d wrote:I have question i did a search no hits. How do yall save your dunder by freezing and if so what do you freeze it in?
Dunder is pretty sterile stuff and it still has some level of alcohol in it. I've been storing mine in the plastic jugs I get the molasses in. Haven't had any go bad yet but have only stored around 6 weeks or so. Didn't even put it in the fridge.

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Re: Pugi's Rum or "Pugirum"

Post by big_daddy_d » Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:21 pm

Thanks minime

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Re: Pugi's Rum or "Pugirum"

Post by punkin » Wed Oct 08, 2008 1:32 am

big_daddy_d wrote:I have question i did a search no hits. How do yall save your dunder by freezing and if so what do you freeze it in?

i had 4l frozen for eight or ten months in a 4l glass bottle.

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Re: Pugi's Rum or "Pugirum"

Post by maverick » Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:54 am

the fertilizer does not seem common, i have checked all the big box stores, and can't seem to find 20-0-0. Can anyone point me in the right direction (specific place) to purchase this fertilizer. I will be purchasing 10 gallons feed molasses on Nov 8 and would like to get everything in order before then, thanks for any help...

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Re: Pugi's Rum or "Pugirum"

Post by punkin » Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:12 am

Just mail order DAP from a brew shop. There's nothing suspicous about it, it's used in winemaking.

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Re: Pugi's Rum or "Pugirum"

Post by muckanic » Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:49 pm

If you must use non-foodgrade stuff, then any garden shop ought to have ammonium sulphate. Alternatively, and preferably, use organic nutrients like dead yeast or wheatgerm.

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Re: Pugi's Rum or "Pugirum"

Post by maverick » Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:30 pm

punkin wrote:Just mail order DAP from a brew shop. There's nothing suspicous about it, it's used in winemaking.
I thought 20-0-0 was Ammonium Nitrate...not ammonium sulphate

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Re: Pugi's Rum or "Pugirum"

Post by maverick » Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:49 am

maverick wrote:
punkin wrote:Just mail order DAP from a brew shop. There's nothing suspicous about it, it's used in winemaking.
I thought 20-0-0 was Ammonium Nitrate...not ammonium sulphate

I'm sorry, what I ment to say is that I thought 20-0-0 was Ammonium Nitrate...not diammonium phosphate?

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Re: Pugi's Rum or "Pugirum"

Post by punkin » Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:10 am

Suggestion is that someone having trouble finding a nutrient at a farm supply place (which is the problem being discussed) would be well advised to order an equal nutrient from a brew shop, which should be no problem.
If it's slightly different in composition, it'll certainly do the job as nutrient as that's what it's supplied to do.













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Re: Pugi's Rum or "Pugirum"

Post by HookLine » Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:55 am

the fertilizer does not seem common, i have checked all the big box stores, and can't seem to find 20-0-0.
There is no fertiliser that is 20-0-0, unless it is diluted ammonium-nitrate or urea. Their N-P-K ratios are normally:

Ammonium-nitrate = 38-0-0
Urea = 46-0-0

And DAP = 18-46-0

(From memory.)
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Re: Pugi's Rum or "Pugirum"

Post by GreenEarth » Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:21 am

Hi Pugi, Your yeast bomb is " Da Bomb" It works great! I am working on my 5th 30 gal rum wash now, and the Rum Oils are already coming through, My question is, do You Carbon Filter your Rum at any stage? or does it take away the Rum Flavor? Thanks
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Re: Pugi's Rum or "Pugirum"

Post by PUGIDOGS » Fri Nov 14, 2008 5:31 am

I dont carbon filter anything, I try to get the right flavors from additions to the wash/mash and the distilling process. I think if you did it would strip the flavors you worked so hard to get.....Pugi
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Re: Pugi's Rum or "Pugirum"

Post by jdonly1 » Fri Nov 21, 2008 9:22 pm

Ok I want to get one of these going tonight.How will it go without the back set???? as I haven't run a brew for quite some time

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Re: Pugi's Rum or "Pugirum"

Post by jdonly1 » Sat Nov 22, 2008 11:25 pm

Got a brew going last night :shock: :shock: man it took off like a steam train :mrgreen:

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Re: Pugi's Rum or "Pugirum"

Post by PUGIDOGS » Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:28 am

JD, Sorry for the late post. For the first run you have to work with what you have, It will be fine without dunder. Just not a flavorfull but still good. Glad you figured it out and hope you have lots of head room in the fermenter, your gunna need it...Pugi
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Re: Pugi's Rum or "Pugirum"

Post by jdonly1 » Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:34 am

PUGIDOGS wrote:JD, Sorry for the late post. For the first run you have to work with what you have, It will be fine without dunder. Just not a flavorfull but still good. Glad you figured it out and hope you have lots of head room in the fermenter, your gunna need it...Pugi
Thanks mate,It worked off well.I done a stipping run on it Saturday and plan a spirit run next week when I get time
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Re: Pugi's Rum or "Pugirum"

Post by violentblue » Mon Dec 15, 2008 4:32 pm

just finished running a batch, just did it in 1 run rather than a stripping/spirit run
there is some serious flavor there, I'm very impressed, and this is only the first batch, didn't even use dunder this time around. will be putting another batch on in the morning with dunder this time.

only changes I made the the recipe were, I used blackstrap rather than feed molasses, and raw cane sugar instead of brown.

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Re: Pugi's Rum or "Pugirum"

Post by violentblue » Mon Jan 05, 2009 5:49 pm

wrong time of the year, havent had any luck finding 20-0-0 fertalizer or any similar variant.
I've got everything else I need to get a batch on, what'll happen if I omit it?
I'm sure it'll ferment, but will I loose the flavor?

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Re: Pugi's Rum or "Pugirum"

Post by Hawke » Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:37 pm

Try Miricale Grow plant food. If you can't find DAP or something similar, it will work.
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Re: Pugi's Rum or "Pugirum"

Post by PUGIDOGS » Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:43 pm

violentblue wrote:wrong time of the year, havent had any luck finding 20-0-0 fertalizer or any similar variant.
I've got everything else I need to get a batch on, what'll happen if I omit it?
I'm sure it'll ferment, but will I loose the flavor?

All this does is provide the nitrogen the yeast need. It should not change the flavor directly. Indirectly if the fermentation times are longer then normal it may change the ultimate flavors, I serously doubt you would notice it though. Another option is to use DAP. You can get this at most beer / wine supply stores....Pugi
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