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Decanting a glass carboy

Post by Odinson88 » Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:49 pm

Not sure what section this best fits, so went with general.

Given the mason jar shortage and price gouging, I decided to put my distillate into some glass carboys I had on hand.

Seemed like a good idea... glass, etc.

Now I'm wondering how I'm going to get it out, lol.

I dont think its advisable to syphon out with rubber tubing, for obvious reasons.

Too heavy to try and pour (combined with the gloshing/gulping effect)

I have a tap that fits and locks on, but given its plastic (for water jugs), that too isnt a valid option.

Anyone have any tried and true methods for decanting distillate from a glass carboy?

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Post by Twisted Brick » Mon Feb 22, 2021 2:10 pm

I rest my carboy on a 6”-high wooden box on its bottom edge, then tilt it over slightly and slowly collect in a low stainless pot. I do this several times, maintaining contact with the box at all times. Once I’ve drained 5gal (it’s a 7-gal carboy) out of it I can pick it up to finish emptying without any trouble.
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Re: Decanting a glass carboy

Post by zed255 » Mon Feb 22, 2021 2:12 pm

I put a piece of copper tube in the mouth to prevent the chugging when pouring out a carboy if I need fine control, otherwise I just put a couple rags on the rim of my kegs 6" ferrule and completely upend the carboy on top. Yes, they are heavy but I will also only 2/3 to 3/4 fill them if I expect to need a controlled decanting, and that helps make them more manageable. I also keep my carboys in milk crates so the handles help too.

Stainless racking canes are available and it would be easy to make a copper one. For tubing, well that's up to the individual. We know what is acceptable for wash, for low wines or finished product I can't offer any community accepted solution.
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Re: Decanting a glass carboy

Post by Odinson88 » Mon Feb 22, 2021 3:23 pm

Thanks, to both.

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Post by jonnys_spirit » Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:11 am

Teflon tube and cooper racking cane -
Quickun PTFE Teflon Tubing Tube, 8mm ID x 10mm OD Teflon Tube for 3D Printer, 3.3Ft Length
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Post by Windy City » Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:19 am

jonnys_spirit wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:11 am
Teflon tube and cooper racking cane -
Quickun PTFE Teflon Tubing Tube, 8mm ID x 10mm OD Teflon Tube for 3D Printer, 3.3Ft Length
Wow
I really like this idea and it’s very affordable
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Re: Decanting a glass carboy

Post by jonnys_spirit » Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:27 am

Would be very convenient to have a couple lengths in the shed. Ordered.

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Post by jonnys_spirit » Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:58 am

That tubing probably isn’t the right diameter for garden variety 1/2 copper from the HW store...
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Re: Decanting a glass carboy

Post by Demy » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:14 am

I believe that even a CSSt tube of a small diameter would be useful, the curved shapes quite well. Only another option.

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Post by still_stirrin » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:31 am

Here’s what you can do: get a carboy cap (see here),
Carboy cap
Carboy cap
And make a “racking cane” out of 3/8” copper tubing to insert through the center opening on the cap. Hold a measuring cup or jar under the “hook end” of the racking cane and simply blow into the 2nd opening/inlet of the carboy cap. Your liquor will come flowing out of the cane as if it were pumped out.

I have a couple of these caps for siphoning out from a carboy. Very easy (and cost effective) way to transfer liquid out.
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Re: Decanting a glass carboy

Post by Rrmuf » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:32 am

I found myself in the same situation once, with botanicals in the carboy as well..... I quickly bought a SS milk can for that purpose. I am very happy with it.
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Re: Decanting a glass carboy

Post by Demy » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:41 am

The same method as still_stirrin It can be done with a cork stopper and 2 pieces of tube if you have it at home.

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Post by still_stirrin » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:52 am

And while you’re shopping the local home brew store, get one of these:
carboy handle
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It’ll make it much safer for you to move your carboy, whether full or empty.

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Post by jonnys_spirit » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:02 am

I don’t recommend those carboy handles. A full carboy is heavy and lifting by the neck with the handle concentrates a lot if pressure at that point. Shattering carboys are very dangerous. Handle with extreme care and be safe.

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Post by zed255 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:05 am

I always understood those handles that clamp around the neck to be for moving empty carboys. Like Jonny said a full carboy puts a lot of uneven pressure on the neck.
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Re: Decanting a glass carboy

Post by Bushman » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:11 am

I have the handles like still stirrin suggests but the PTFE tubes look like a good idea. Don’t use my carboy’s that much anymore as I have a 4 gallon and a two gallon mason jar that I store my overflow with wood chips until I can move it to one of my 10L barrels for aging.

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Re: Decanting a glass carboy

Post by Bushman » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:11 am

zed255 wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:05 am
I always understood those handles that clamp around the neck to be for moving empty carboys. Like Jonny said a full carboy puts a lot of uneven pressure on the neck.
Never had a problem with full bottles.

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Re: Decanting a glass carboy

Post by Demy » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:36 am

I believe a variant of those handles could be this
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It would also be easy to build ...

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Post by Demy » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:50 am

Then there is the demy version (since we are :roll: )
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Re: Decanting a glass carboy

Post by seamusm53 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:07 am

Recomend a racking cane/auto-siphon. Beer/wine hobby stores usually carry this.

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Re: Decanting a glass carboy

Post by Butch27 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:48 am

Twisted Brick wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 2:10 pm
I rest my carboy on a 6”-high wooden box on its bottom edge, then tilt it over slightly and slowly collect in a low stainless pot. I do this several times, maintaining contact with the box at all times. Once I’ve drained 5gal (it’s a 7-gal carboy) out of it I can pick it up to finish emptying without any trouble.
+1 Only I use a kitchen chair.

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Here’s what you can do: get a carboy cap (see here),
2021-02-23CarboyCap.jpeg
And make a “racking cane” out of 3/8” copper tubing to insert through the center opening on the cap. Hold a measuring cup or jar under the “hook end” of the racking cane and simply blow into the 2nd opening/inlet of the carboy cap. Your liquor will come flowing out of the cane as if it were pumped out.

I have a couple of these caps for siphoning out from a carboy. Very easy (and cost effective) way to transfer liquid out.
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So plastic is ok if it does not come in direct contact with the alcohol? I'm just kind of wondering what everyone is using to seal up their carboys during storage?

Oh, and is there an easy way to have an image show up in a quote?

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Re: Decanting a glass carboy

Post by jonnys_spirit » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:02 am

Milk crates are pretty good for holding and moving carboys around safely but I tend to just be very careful and lift mine without any contraptions... I get nervous thinking about it!
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jonnys_spirit wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:02 am
I don’t recommend those carboy handles. A full carboy is heavy and lifting by the neck with the handle concentrates a lot if pressure at that point. Shattering carboys are very dangerous. Handle with extreme care and be safe.
I think we can all agree with your points here.

Lifting the carboy exclusively by the neck is asking for trouble, multiple lifting points is a requirement. That said the I believe handle is a key additional piece of safety equipment as it provides a secure mechanical connection to your hand which is lacking from straps or similar solutions.
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Re: Decanting a glass carboy

Post by Justinthunder » Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:47 pm

I use handles for my car boys but I lift them with my arms and then use the handle to guide where I want the chugging to happen lol

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Re: Decanting a glass carboy

Post by Odinson88 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:35 pm

still_stirrin wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:31 am
Here’s what you can do: get a carboy cap (see here),

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And make a “racking cane” out of 3/8” copper tubing to insert through the center opening on the cap. Hold a measuring cup or jar under the “hook end” of the racking cane and simply blow into the 2nd opening/inlet of the carboy cap. Your liquor will come flowing out of the cane as if it were pumped out.

I have a couple of these caps for siphoning out from a carboy. Very easy (and cost effective) way to transfer liquid out.
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Your suggestion combined with Demy's lead me to this.
Used a bung, drilled a 2nd hole for an air inlet tube.
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Is this what you mean?
Force air into inlet tube, and likker will flow from the racking cane?

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Post by Deplorable » Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:36 pm

Butch27 wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:48 am
So plastic is ok if it does not come in direct contact with the alcohol? I'm just kind of wondering what everyone is using to seal up their carboys during storage?
I just put a peice of cellophane or foil over mine for storage. It's l only in there for a week or two until can get to the spirit run. I really need to order a cork stopper.
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Post by zed255 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:21 pm

I've left carboys effectively open (paper towel or cheese cloth over the opening) for months without measurable loss or change in ABV. The volume compared to the area of the mouth of a typical carboy makes for very little evaporation. Some of my best neutral has come from low wines stored in carboys that could breathe, often for months after stripping prior to the spirit run.
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Re: Decanting a glass carboy

Post by bilgriss » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:28 pm

Lots of good ideas here. With low wines, I usually just flip that sucker onto my 8 gallon milk jug boiler and let it glug out. But I've not stored or aged any final product in carboys.

I do have some copper tubing sitting around.....

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Post by jonnys_spirit » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:47 pm

I do the same with a flour sack towel stuffed in the carboy throat so it can breathe and upend it into the milk can to dump low wines into the boiler. I don’t have a teflon racking hose yet for higher abv but i do use a standard auto siphon to rack into a 5 gallon bucket 1/2 at a time for filling the boiler just to minimize moving any full carboy if there’s any way to avoid it.
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Post by Demy » Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:22 am




Your suggestion combined with Demy's lead me to this.
Used a bung, drilled a 2nd hole for an air inlet tube.

Is this what you mean?
Force air into inlet tube, and likker will flow from the racking cane?

Cheers
Yes, it is one of the methods that has always been widely used, there are many. The basic principle is that by blowing into the (transparent) tube, pressure is created in the container which will make the product flow into the copper tube. The disadvantage of the method is that you have to create some pressure with your mouth, alternatively use a tool that does it for you (.... like inflating the tires). I wanted to build a kind of self-siphon in copper or stainless steel but I haven't collected the ideas yet ...

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