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Re: Baking Soda

Postby WIski » Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:55 am

Alchemist75 Wrote;
There must be trace amounts of copper in anything condensed on copper. Maybe not much but perhaps enough to produce that blue color. I know some stills are designed in such a way as to avoid condensing the vapors on copper. A short column packed with copper with a ss condenser coming off the top is intended to alleviate possible copper contamination. Some aspects of my gear can accomplish this as well....


Controversial as it is, there is some concern with the copper carry over. Personally I think I'm eventually going to swap out the copper PC for a stainless one. I have plenty of copper contact on the up side so I don't see any reason not to, other than time and expense. If I was just starting out I would have gone this route. Copper up, stainless down. :eugeek:

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Re: Baking Soda

Postby Alchemist75 » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:36 am

I know trace amounts of copper have been detected in some commercial spirits though only in small amounts. I'd say the only significant risk here, assuming your gear is decent, is a zinc/copper imbalance in your body over time. If you drink a lot it's probably wise to take a zinc supplement periodically.
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Re: Baking Soda

Postby Kareltje » Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:28 am

Or adding zinc in the path?

But that is going off topic, more for another discussion, maybe?
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Re: Baking Soda

Postby Alchemist75 » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:23 am

I would imagine the zinc would oxidize fairly quickly in the worm rendering zinc oxide(s). Dietary zinc is largely presented as zinc gluconate or picolinate. These forms absorb much more completely into gastric mucosa, the oxide might not pass into the bloodstream so well...
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Re: Baking Soda

Postby Bagasso » Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:06 pm

Alchemist75 wrote:I know trace amounts of copper have been detected in some commercial spirits though only in small amounts.

But according to this pdf, some pretty large amounts have been seen in homemade drinks. It doesn't go into detail but it would be a good idea to find out why there is this difference between homemade and commercial. I'm thinking SS on the down side but that is just a guess.
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Re: Baking Soda

Postby Alchemist75 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:31 am

What I've observed upon occasion is that if I don't thoroughly clean my copper between runs I get visible copper contamination in my spirit especially on stripping runs. Maybe it's a cleaning issue? Not sure but using ss or some other corrosion resistant material on the down comer is the obvious solution.
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Re: Baking Soda

Postby Bagasso » Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:02 pm

Alchemist75 wrote:Not sure but using ss or some other corrosion resistant material on the down comer is the obvious solution.

I'm pretty sure some places still have full copper stills and they don't reach the extreme levels mentioned in that pdf so maybe a cleaning schedule/technique might help those who don't want to part with their copper porn.
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Re: Baking Soda

Postby Alchemist75 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:37 pm

That's my guess based on observation. Too I would think you'd start losing the chemical benefits of copper without routine cleaning. I suspect the big boys stay on top of that kind of stuff.
Nonetheless, using a non copper down comer is probably the best bet to ensure purity. Keep your rigs clean kids.
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Re: Baking Soda

Postby FL Brewer » Sat Jan 06, 2018 5:43 pm

I apologize if this a redundant, but I couldn't find it in the archives....

I had a problem trying to find sodium carbonate, but then found this youtube video that showed how you can make it by simply heating up sodium bicarbonate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpGEc-pLXN4

Couldn't be much simpler, and since sodium carbonate is so much more effective than bicarbonate, worth the minimal effort required.
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Re: Baking Soda

Postby RedwoodHillBilly » Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:14 am

FL Brewer wrote:I apologize if this a redundant, but I couldn't find it in the archives....

I had a problem trying to find sodium carbonate, but then found this youtube video that showed how you can make it by simply heating up sodium bicarbonate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpGEc-pLXN4

Couldn't be much simpler, and since sodium carbonate is so much more effective than bicarbonate, worth the minimal effort required.


Or you could go to Walmart or your local pool supply and buy some PH plus or PH up. These are commonly sodium carbonate. Read the label to be sure.
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Re: Baking Soda

Postby Kareltje » Sun Jan 07, 2018 7:29 am

I just buy washing soda in my supermarket.
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