My first build would like input
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My first build would like input
So I’m almost done with my first build. I’d like input from experienced distillers but please keep it nice. So tired of forums, facebook, whatever where people feel the need to ridicule, bash, criticize etc instead of being helpful. Ok that said I’d like to know if you think it will work fine, or if there’s something I should’ve done better with let me know. I used a 40L (10 gal) milk can new, 3” column,
(24” bottom, 8” dephlegmator , 10” head) , vapor port is
1.25” , condenser is 2” shotgun with (3) .5” tubes inside reduced to 1/4” going into the parrot.
(24” bottom, 8” dephlegmator , 10” head) , vapor port is
1.25” , condenser is 2” shotgun with (3) .5” tubes inside reduced to 1/4” going into the parrot.
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Nice looking rig! Should run a vinegar/cleaning run to test it out. Are you cooling with recirc pump separate for dephleg? What are you using for packing?
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Looks like you need to vent the parrot. Pics are hard to see any detail.
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All copper is nice. I would use a triclamp union for the shotgun and parrot so you can clean it all and you’ll need a vent for the parrot too if there isn’t one. What are you heating it with?
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Very nice build . I like to put a support stand under my condensers. They gain a bunch of weight when they are full of water.
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My building skills are not very strong but it looks great to me! I second supporting the condenser, I fitted up a 2x4 L for mine so it wouldn't put pressure on the other connections.
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Thanks guys. Yes I do need to vent the parrot. Found that out the hard way lol. I was thinking of venting it out at the 2”- 1/4” reducer at the bottom of the condenser. I’m heating it with a PID and heater element. And yes I ordered a Union for taking off the condenser for cleaning and stuff but haven’t got it yet.
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Looks like a fine start on your rig. I like the 3" column; wish I hadn't that way, instead if a 2", I'd be interested to hear if you have ideas on where to get 3" copper for less than a mortgage payment.
I have a PID controller also (Mypin TD4) which I now use in manual (PWM) mode. You will probably discover why for yourself in time like I did. Not all PIDs support a manual mode tho; fortunately the Mypin TD4 does so I lucked out there.
Any chance your handle stands for Make All-Grain for All MANkind? (ok, i'll shut up my mug, if you fill up my jug...)
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I have a PID controller also (Mypin TD4) which I now use in manual (PWM) mode. You will probably discover why for yourself in time like I did. Not all PIDs support a manual mode tho; fortunately the Mypin TD4 does so I lucked out there.
Any chance your handle stands for Make All-Grain for All MANkind? (ok, i'll shut up my mug, if you fill up my jug...)
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Telling people why a PID is the wrong tool for the wrong job seems to be an endless process around here lately.
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Didn't fully appreciate the importance of such advice either Saltbush, until my intuitions caught up with my aspirations. Controlling heat not temperature is like a lot of things that makes perfect sense once you twist knobs for awhile, but somehow counter-intuitive on the written page.Saltbush Bill wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 5:31 pm Telling people why a PID is the wrong tool for the wrong job seems to be an endless process around here lately.
Like flying airplanes. New pilots think the elevator controls altitude and the throttle controls speed. Experienced pilots know its the reverse.
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Re: My first build would like input
I’m new to PIDs so I may use manual. On the clean out run it seemed to only produce distillate when the element kicked on. ???? We’ll see. I’m going to use some copper packing and maybe some marbles. Depends what I can find. Does anyone know if the Raschig rings you can buy at a pet store would work? And no that’s not what MAGA stands for. It stands for enough with career politicians. Who’s deregulating shit?? Name me someone on the last 50 years that’s deregulated? Lol.
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Why do you think that happen...
Is that how you've done the research on packing.. on a 24" column, what do you think it will be able to do..
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I don’t know stillerboy why don’t you tell me instead of trying to sound like a dickhead. If you want to give advice I’ll take it. It’s the novice page. If you want an ego boost then I can’t help you. But I can’t stand people that are condescending. Do you want to help or do you want to make yourself look smart? I made distillate out of a couple old bottles of stuff laying around on this. So someone like you isn’t going to deter me from moving forward and learning.
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Let's not let this thread get political or bickering. I'll kill the thread very quickly afterward.
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Maga you have built a pot still, you can pack it all you like with what ever you like , it wont help,,,,,its a pot still , not a reflux still. The only reason to pack a pot still is if it is made of stainless steel, in that case they need some copper packing in the riser part to try to help with sulfide removal.
That is one thing yours has going for it ,,,its all copper so no packing needed.
Here is a long list of topics dealing with this very subject.....suggest you work your way through at least some of it.
It would do all other newbies who read this who think PIDs are a good idea to spend a few hundred hours reading from theses posts too.
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You need to scroll past the first 3-4 google search results. To get to the HD PID stuff
That is one thing yours has going for it ,,,its all copper so no packing needed.
And that is exactly why PIDS SHOULD NOT BE USED to run boilers. You can not have the heat going on and off all the time ..it has to be constant and even......you have no control over the boiling point of what is in the boiler.......NONE!
Here is a long list of topics dealing with this very subject.....suggest you work your way through at least some of it.
It would do all other newbies who read this who think PIDs are a good idea to spend a few hundred hours reading from theses posts too.
app.php/googlesearch?cx=012980085383122 ... itesearch=
You need to scroll past the first 3-4 google search results. To get to the HD PID stuff
Re: My first build would like input
Put simply.
You don't want to chase a set temperature. Vapor temp is the effect, not the cause.
You put power into the boiler. No matter if it's a wood or gas flame or electric element.
The wash will boil at whatever temp the mix of components in the wash will allow it to boil.
What you need is vapor production. Throw lots of power at the boiler, you get lots of vapor. Throw just enough to keep a light boil and you get a little vapor.
Distillation is about managing vapor behaviour.
You run a pot still. Run it hard and there will be smearing. Run it slow and you'll get less. Pot stills smear because they're an inefficient design. But that's an advantage in flavored spirits.
If your pid decides the target vapor temp is reached it cuts power to the boiler. So no vapor production.
You need even power to get steady vapor production. Vapor temps will gradually rise throughout the run.
You don't want to chase a set temperature. Vapor temp is the effect, not the cause.
You put power into the boiler. No matter if it's a wood or gas flame or electric element.
The wash will boil at whatever temp the mix of components in the wash will allow it to boil.
What you need is vapor production. Throw lots of power at the boiler, you get lots of vapor. Throw just enough to keep a light boil and you get a little vapor.
Distillation is about managing vapor behaviour.
You run a pot still. Run it hard and there will be smearing. Run it slow and you'll get less. Pot stills smear because they're an inefficient design. But that's an advantage in flavored spirits.
If your pid decides the target vapor temp is reached it cuts power to the boiler. So no vapor production.
You need even power to get steady vapor production. Vapor temps will gradually rise throughout the run.
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Nice explaination
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We already knew that years ago. That's why old hands at the game don't use PIDS to control elements.
Who told you that using a PID to control a still element was a good idea?
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agreed!
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Re: My first build would like input
PID controls you can argue all day long are not what YOU would use. If you don’t want to use one then fine. Don’t use one. I’ve seen the technology work in other places besides stills. It’s not rocket science it works. If you take the cover off your still after it’s shut down and there’s no heat source so you see steam rising out? YES of course you do. I just need to dial in the right the heating element size to pot ratio and it’ll work like a charm. Seeing all the guys on here want to bash people because they don’t do things their way I’ll throw one back at you. Maybe you just can’t figure out how to use one? Ever think of that? Wow what a bunch of A holes on this forum. I’ve read lots of posts and anytime someone thinks they’re the authority on anything they bash the shit of them. Admin how many times do you have to shut threads down on here? A lot I’d bet. Thanks for the input but I’ll figure it out on my own. And to the butt wad who said it’s a pot still I guess all the people selling reflux stills that look the same as mine are falsely selling their stills under the wrong name?? What an Asshole
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Good bye Maga.
"Come on you stranger, you legend, you martyr, and shine!
You reached for the secret too soon, you cried for the moon.
Shine on you crazy diamond."
You reached for the secret too soon, you cried for the moon.
Shine on you crazy diamond."