uncle jesse's simple sour mash, fients ABV question
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uncle jesse's simple sour mash, fients ABV question
question. I ran a spirit run today with 6 gallons of gen 6 low wines at 43%. Mighty tasty. This is the second spirit run I made with UJSSM. The first 5 gallon run gave me 10.7 litres of feints at 68%. This last one gave me 12 litres of feints at 75%. Should I be keeping all heads and tails as feints? That abv seems high to me. If I make an all feints run I think I need to add either water or dunder to get it back to 45% abv before running it? Last run gave me 9 litres of heads, 4 litres hearts and 3 litres tails. (conservative cuts) All foreshots 150 ml per 5 gallon run were removed on strippng runs. Also 1650 watt electric 8 gallon still doesn't give enough power to run spirit run below 43% tails. 43% stalls at about 203 tank temp and 200 vapor temp.5 gallon stripping runs I can run to 207 tank and 203 vapor at 25%. advice?
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Are you talking about two different stills, on your 5 gallon strip run you can get to 25 abv, I'm assuming that's at the spout not total abv of low wines.Manic Mechanic wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:18 pm question. I ran a spirit run today with 6 gallons of gen 6 low wines at 43%. Mighty tasty. This is the second spirit run I made with UJSSM. The first 5 gallon run gave me 10.7 litres of feints at 68%. This last one gave me 12 litres of feints at 75%. Should I be keeping all heads and tails as feints? That abv seems high to me. If I make an all feints run I think I need to add either water or dunder to get it back to 45% abv before running it? Last run gave me 9 litres of heads, 4 litres hearts and 3 litres tails. (conservative cuts) All foreshots 150 ml per 5 gallon run were removed on strippng runs. Also 1650 watt electric 8 gallon still doesn't give enough power to run spirit run below 43% tails. 43% stalls at about 203 tank temp and 200 vapor temp.5 gallon stripping runs I can run to 207 tank and 203 vapor at 25%. advice?
In my small boiler I can strip to 30abv total with 1250w with a 25L wash/mash
I generally keep my boiler charge at 30abv for all fients run (CCVM) or if I'm adding to a spirit run I dilute with either water or a portion of a finished wash/mash
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Same still. So is running a spirit run or feints at 43% starting abv to high?
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I usually run around 30%Manic Mechanic wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:30 pm Same still. So is running a spirit run or feints at 43% starting abv to high?
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Nearly every time I make an assumption I get it wrong. If a poster doesn't say if an ABV is off the spout or from the receiver, you only have a 50/50 chance of getting it right, so don't guess, ask them.
Personally, I don't watch ABV off the spout, as it isn't as important as ABV in the receiver.
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Yeah, 100% on the assumption thing.NZChris wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:16 pm Nearly every time I make an assumption I get it wrong. If a poster doesn't say if an ABV is off the spout or from the receiver, you only have a 50/50 chance of getting it right, so don't guess, ask them.
Personally, I don't watch ABV off the spout, as it isn't as important as ABV in the receiver.
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So my method is to collect 150 ml off the spout in a beaker measure ABV with a hydrometer measure the temp in the beaker and correct abv to temp. Then I add it to a 1 litre jar (receiver?) For UJSSM when I get to 81 abv I move my sample in smaller jars 300 ml until I am well into 78 ABV and move back to 1 litre jars until 71 abv and move back to smaller samples until 66 abv. Then I run out tails as far as I can before I run out of power at about 40% abv off the spout. My feints from 6 gallon stripping run (addition of heads and tails is about 68-72 abv when mixed together in the receiver (3 gallon carboy?) My question is what should I dilute an all feints run to before distilling? I would dilute feints with dunder. Or do I just add 7 litres of feints to 15 litres of low wines and run that? I make my final cuts by taste from the various jars.
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"Water makes the best filter" I've read here on HD site, so I usually dilute my spirit run boiler charge to ~30% ABV.
I wouldn't use dunder to dilute feints. Dunder/backset has a very specific use in rum & UJSSM, but that's for primary fermentation phase, not the distillation phase. I'm fairly new to this hobby (<2 years), so I could be wrong on that.
I wouldn't use dunder to dilute feints. Dunder/backset has a very specific use in rum & UJSSM, but that's for primary fermentation phase, not the distillation phase. I'm fairly new to this hobby (<2 years), so I could be wrong on that.
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That's a good trick for making neutral, but why would you want to filter flavor out of UJSSM?rubberduck71 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:26 pm "Water makes the best filter" I've read here on HD site, so I usually dilute my spirit run boiler charge to ~30% ABV.
I strip until my low wines are the ABV I want, usually less than 27% for UJSSM.
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Sorry Manic, are your fients from a stripping run or spirit run? If they are all fients from a UJSSM then I would combine them with a fermented UJ and do my calcs so I was at 30abv for my boiler charge. Or simply add water till 30abv and run that way depends on what you want to achieve
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This method more belongs to a spirit run. A stripping run you collect everything except the foreshots in the same recipient. You make more ferments, and do a stripping run for very batch. hen you have enough stripping run collected for your boiler capacity, you run a spirit run, in wich you do the collection in small jars to help making your cuts.Manic Mechanic wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:55 am So my method is to collect 150 ml off the spout in a beaker measure ABV with a hydrometer measure the temp in the beaker and correct abv to temp. Then I add it to a 1 litre jar (receiver?) For UJSSM when I get to 81 abv I move my sample in smaller jars 300 ml until I am well into 78 ABV and move back to 1 litre jars until 71 abv and move back to smaller samples until 66 abv. Then I run out tails as far as I can before I run out of power at about 40% abv off the spout. My feints from 6 gallon stripping run (addition of heads and tails is about 68-72 abv when mixed together in the receiver (3 gallon carboy?) My question is what should I dilute an all feints run to before distilling? I would dilute feints with dunder. Or do I just add 7 litres of feints to 15 litres of low wines and run that? I make my final cuts by taste from the various jars.
Does it makes sense the way I explained it?
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Ok. My feints are from a spirit run of 6 gallons of low wines run at 43% abv. I am ready to makes an all feint run and have 20 litres of 70% abv feints.
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This is starting to get off topicManic Mechanic wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 4:30 pm Ok. My feints are from a spirit run of 6 gallons of low wines run at 43% abv. I am ready to makes an all feint run and have 20 litres of 70% abv feints.
You just need to choose how to dilute your fients to an acceptable abv for your run.
You can dilute with water or a finished wash (just do your maths with the wash abv) it all depends on how you want to do it, personally I would aim for 30abv, dilute it and run it and see what happens
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That is the question. What is the acceptable ABV% for an all feints run? Is 30% the standard? I would need to add 50% water to my feints and run it.
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This subject was getting pretty convoluted and off topic to be in a Tried and True recipe thread......shifted.
If you add back UJ feints from each run to the next UJ run you wont have to worry about abv , they will be diluted enough by the wash.
Its personal choice if you do it that way, some do , some don't.
If you add back UJ feints from each run to the next UJ run you wont have to worry about abv , they will be diluted enough by the wash.
Its personal choice if you do it that way, some do , some don't.
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How do you plan to run it? Pot still or Reflux?Manic Mechanic wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 4:30 pm Ok. My feints are from a spirit run of 6 gallons of low wines run at 43% abv. I am ready to makes an all feint run and have 20 litres of 70% abv feints.
20L of heads and tails on a pot run I don't think you're going to get a lot of salvageable hearts, but I could be wrong.
20L of head and tails diluted to 30% and some baking soda mixed in will clean up really nice in a reflux run, and you'd be surprised at how much neutral you could recover from a 10 gallon boiler charge.
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Have you done a side by side in a reflux with and without the baking soda? I predominantly use my fients as my everyday spirit after I put it through a reflux and am really happy with the results, bourbons, neutral and rums all in the pool together then they sit in a carboy on all my old oak. Nothing is ever identical but it's very drinkableDeplorable wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:10 pm 20L of head and tails diluted to 30% and some baking soda mixed in will clean up really nice in a reflux run, and you'd be surprised at how much neutral you could recover from a 10 gallon boiler charge.
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Water is flavorless and great for making neutral.Manic Mechanic wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 6:12 pm That is the question. What is the acceptable ABV% for an all feints run? Is 30% the standard? I would need to add 50% water to my feints and run it.
There is no standard. I use my previous distillation records for a guide.
I knock my UJSSM feints down to around 27% using fresh wash and that makes me product good enough to keep me out of my ageing stash.
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So I took your advise an added 4 gallons of fresh wash to 2 gallons of 68% feints from a spirit run. Charge was about 6 gallons of about 35% in an 8 gallon electric still with copper reflux but no packing wide open . Really great run. About 3 .2 litres heads 4 litres hearts between 80 and 70 abv and about 3.7 litres tails to 25% abv. A bunch of smaller jars between cuts to make final cut by taste, really steady temps and run. I will add this dunder to next new corn wash.Sporacle wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 1:05 pm Sorry Manic, are your fients from a stripping run or spirit run? If they are all fients from a UJSSM then I would combine them with a fermented UJ and do my calcs so I was at 30abv for my boiler charge. Or simply add water till 30abv and run that way depends on what you want to achieve
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