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Postby Distillernz » Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:58 pm

Cannot make my mind up. If it were you and these were the options what would get your vote and if you have time why.

Option 1 http://www.stilldragon.com.au/4-dash-1-four-plate-column/

Option 2 https://milehidistilling.com/product/copper-4-inch-diameter-mile-hi-flute/

Option 3 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4-Whole-Copper-Type-Flute-Distiller/32823895205.html?spm=a2g0s.8937460.0.0.17d82e0exRdhWP

Apparently, they are all made in China? I am based in NZ
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Re: Vote please

Postby NZChris » Tue Jul 03, 2018 12:01 am

I don't know what you want to make, so I have no idea what you need to make it.
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Re: Vote please

Postby Distillernz » Tue Jul 03, 2018 12:10 am

Whiskey, Rum mainly
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Re: Vote please

Postby vqstatesman » Tue Jul 03, 2018 1:38 am

I make whiskey and rum and have a the still dragon setup, 4" 4 plates. Depending on your boiler size you may want to consider their pro caps for that column. Procaps generally put out at least twice the output.

I have the pro caps on a 150l boiler and crank out about 5 litres and hour at 85% ABV from a wash of 10%.

Can't comment on the other stills. But I can say that the service from Still Dragon is A+++
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Re: Vote please

Postby NZChris » Tue Jul 03, 2018 1:47 am

To make great whisky and rum you need copper in the boiler and in the vapour path. Keep that in mind when designing or buying your still. SS might be very shiny and cheap and the typical HBS owner will be very keen on selling it to you and all that, but SS isn't copper and it has none of the flavour advantages of copper.
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Re: Vote please

Postby vqstatesman » Tue Jul 03, 2018 1:52 am

NZChris wrote:To make great whisky and rum you need copper in the boiler and in the vapour path. Keep that in mind when designing or buying your still. SS might be very shiny and cheap and the typical HBS owner will be very keen on selling it to you and all that, but SS isn't copper and it has none of the flavour advantages of copper.


Good point. The Still Dragons are a SS column with copper plates. Most consider this enough.
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Re: Vote please

Postby Distillernz » Tue Jul 03, 2018 1:59 am

NZChris wrote:To make great whisky and rum you need copper in the boiler and in the vapour path. Keep that in mind when designing or buying your still. SS might be very shiny and cheap and the typical HBS owner will be very keen on selling it to you and all that, but SS isn't copper and it has none of the flavour advantages of copper.


With that in mind, And the fact that they are all made in china anyway, Of the three would this be the best option https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4-Whole-Copper-Type-Flute-Distiller/32823895205.html?spm=a2g0s.8937460.0.0.17d82e0exRdhWP
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Re: Vote please

Postby vqstatesman » Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:03 am

Not everything made in china is the same standard. Personally I wouldn't touch anything from ali express. Pick a brand that has trust, reputation and good reviews from the distilling community.
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Re: Vote please

Postby Distillernz » Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:11 am

vqstatesman wrote:Not everything made in china is the same standard. Personally I wouldn't touch anything from ali express. Pick a brand that has trust, reputation and good reviews from the distilling community.


Not sure I agree about not purchasing anything from Aliexpress but I am hesitant to purchase something like this. And I do notice the seller does not appear to have sold ANY of these units and has zero feedback so I guess that one is scratched off the list..

I definitely want to get the purchase right..
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Re: Vote please

Postby thecroweater » Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:29 am

At first glance the third one looks the best. If the first two options are coming via the states check the postage but sit in a safe place first. I don't know if there are reliable flute builders in NZ but there are several in Oz. As far as getting freaked out by dealing with China be assured all of those three come from there .
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Re: Vote please

Postby Yummyrum » Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:24 am

Seeing as you are in NZ can I offer option 4) http://coppercustomstillcomponents.com.au/wordpress/ .......and no I have no vested interest other than yours
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Re: Vote please

Postby Copperhead road » Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:02 am

Yummyrum wrote:Seeing as you are in NZ can I offer option 4) http://coppercustomstillcomponents.com.au/wordpress/ .......and no I have no vested interest other than yours

+1 on a vote for option 4......you won’t regret it as they are quality stills, pretty hard it beat IMO
and yes I bought one also.

As for making rum & whiskey I prefer to use my trusty old pot still, it’s pretty hard to replicate that full bodied flavour with a column still. IMO Well at least I have not been able to.
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Re: Vote please

Postby Yummyrum » Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:40 am

Copperhead road wrote:
Yummyrum wrote:Seeing as you are in NZ can I offer option 4) http://coppercustomstillcomponents.com.au/wordpress/ .......and no I have no vested interest other than yours

+1 on a vote for option 4......you won’t regret it as they are quality stills, pretty hard it beat IMO
and yes I bought one also


Copper that reads IMO , and I do suck at english :oops: , that I also bought a CCSC still ... I didn't .. I built mine .... but if I was to buy one , yes :thumbup: , that would be my choice .

I would trust Empty's experience over any Chinese clone machine any day
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Re: Vote please

Postby DuckofDeath » Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:54 am

I have the #1 option from the states, punkin is a good guy. Honestly any of them would fit your bill. Just try to stay modular. You will thank yourself later when you are experimenting :)
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Re: Vote please

Postby thecroweater » Tue Jul 03, 2018 5:04 am

Copperhead road wrote:As for making rum & whiskey I prefer to use my trusty old pot still, it’s pretty hard to replicate that full bodied flavour with a column still. IMO Well at least I have not been able to.

Then you have thus far failed to take full advantage of all the variables available to you as that still can be ran from full stripping pot to full CM reflux. For the most part it's just about vapour speed verses deflagmator coolant ( naturally a packed module and slower run for full reflux.
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Re: Vote please

Postby The Baker » Tue Jul 03, 2018 6:48 am

Yummyrum wrote:
Copperhead road wrote:
Yummyrum wrote:Seeing as you are in NZ can I offer option 4) http://coppercustomstillcomponents.com.au/wordpress/ .......and no I have no vested interest other than yours

+1 on a vote for option 4......you won’t regret it as they are quality stills, pretty hard it beat IMO
and yes I bought one also


Copper that reads IMO , and I do suck at english :oops: , that I also bought a CCSC still ... I didn't .. I built mine .... but if I was to buy one , yes :thumbup: , that would be my choice .

I would trust Empty's experience over any Chinese clone machine any day


Perhaps, "I also bought one".

for unambiguous English.

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Re: Vote please

Postby bluefish_dist » Tue Jul 03, 2018 7:16 am

I would build my own based on still dragon or affordable distillery equipment parts. I would use sieve plates instead of bubble caps as they are cheaper and will run 50% faster. Personally I found 4 plates are not needed, but to each their own. I run either 2 or 3 depending on the product or packed for vodka.
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Re: Vote please

Postby Distillernz » Tue Jul 03, 2018 12:16 pm

You would have thought that as distilling is totally legal in NZ there would be some good still builders here but apparently not, Well if I can't find one in NZ next best option is our brothers from Australia and I have gone with option 4. http://coppercustomstillcomponents.com.au/wordpress/
Thanks guys for the input and great advice.
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Re: Vote please

Postby Copperhead road » Tue Jul 03, 2018 12:24 pm

Distillernz wrote:You would have thought that as distilling is totally legal in NZ there would be some good still builders here but apparently not, Well if I can't find one in NZ next best option is our brothers from Australia and I have gone with option 4. http://coppercustomstillcomponents.com.au/wordpress/
Thanks guys for the input and great advice.

I had a couple of drinks while posting, was just trying to say I bought option 4 also. (5 plate CCSC modular flute)
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Re: Vote please

Postby Copperhead road » Tue Jul 03, 2018 12:29 pm

thecroweater wrote:
Copperhead road wrote:As for making rum & whiskey I prefer to use my trusty old pot still, it’s pretty hard to replicate that full bodied flavour with a column still. IMO Well at least I have not been able to.

Then you have thus far failed to take full advantage of all the variables available to you as that still can be ran from full stripping pot to full CM reflux. For the most part it's just about vapour speed verses deflagmator coolant ( naturally a packed module and slower run for full reflux.

Think I will have to sit down with you next time I’m in Ballarat so you can give me some pointers. :thumbup:
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Re: Vote please

Postby Distillernz » Tue Jul 03, 2018 12:36 pm

Copperhead road wrote:
Distillernz wrote:You would have thought that as distilling is totally legal in NZ there would be some good still builders here but apparently not, Well if I can't find one in NZ next best option is our brothers from Australia and I have gone with option 4. http://coppercustomstillcomponents.com.au/wordpress/
Thanks guys for the input and great advice.

I had a couple of drinks while posting, was just trying to say I bought option 4 also. (5 plate CCSC modular flute)


Hey Copperhead what made you choose the 5 plate? I was leaning towards the 4 plate myself.
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Postby thecroweater » Wed Jul 04, 2018 6:14 am

You would be most welcome CHR.
There is little difference between 4 and 5 plates I've found, that is until you try for neutral. Running slow with a packed section it is delivered just that bit more scrubbed which seems to clean it up much better IMHO :thumbup:
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Re: Vote please

Postby Distillernz » Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:50 pm

Well you would not believe how hard it is to give away your money and purchase some distilling equipment. Tried to get a custom build done Failed, Tried to go to Still Dragon they would not reply to emails or phone calls and after about 4 emails got hold of Gary who must have been too busy to send me an invoice for what I wanted, must be great to be doing so well in business that you can turn away customers that fall in your lap.
Now this may well end up in disaster, But the way I figure it is there are lot's of people on here that manage to build there own stills so this company in China who's customer service so far has been nothing short of exceptional got my money and dollar for dollar you can't beat the deal. Yes I know the old saying you get what you pay for but as nobody else I tried was interested I took the gamble.

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Re: Vote please

Postby NZChris » Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:08 am

When I built my first there were no sellers of ready built stills for the NZ home distiller. In hindsight, that was a good thing because there were no sellers of stills using second best materials for me to choose from, so I had to do my own research and build stills out of what I could find.
Early help I got was from my gasket supplier who searched for gasket materials for me and only found one suitable material, PTFE, (I don't believe there have been any advances since then). My research told me that copper was necessary in the boiler and vapor path and back then there were no sellers and home brew shop proprietors trying to sell me SS, so I didn't have that distraction. My research told me that pot stills were ideal for flavored products like rum, whiskey and brandy, which was what I was intending to make, so I knew that plated columns weren't needed for anything I would want to make any time soon.

All in all, it's worked out very well. Over the years I have built up a set of half a dozen stills, with a large variety of configurations, that cost me bugger all and can make me anything from neutral to highly flavored essence.
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Re: Vote please

Postby Copperhead road » Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:54 am

Distillernz wrote:
Copperhead road wrote:
Distillernz wrote:You would have thought that as distilling is totally legal in NZ there would be some good still builders here but apparently not, Well if I can't find one in NZ next best option is our brothers from Australia and I have gone with option 4. http://coppercustomstillcomponents.com.au/wordpress/
Thanks guys for the input and great advice.

I had a couple of drinks while posting, was just trying to say I bought option 4 also. (5 plate CCSC modular flute)


Hey Copperhead what made you choose the 5 plate? I was leaning towards the 4 plate myself.

Because Emptyglass likes to supply them with 5 plates so they can be used for neutral as well. 4 plates was not available anymore as a complete package as far as I know.

My 5th plate and section gets used as a paperweight most of the time lol

I have also given up trying to make good sippin whiskey with my column and mostly use my potstill.

Many blokes can make awesome brown spirits with a plater, I’m just not one of them!
Would love to watch one of the real experienced fellas like @crow, @yummyrum or @SBB run one so I can see what I am doing wrong, it’s a shame to have a copper Lamborghini parked in the garage and not getting driven to it’s full potential
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Re: Vote please

Postby emptyglass » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:34 am

@copperhead, these many blokes you speak of can make a great product from a Flute. You have tasted some. This should kinda say to you that granny's scones taste good from the same oven that my scones dont taste as good from. What is granny doing to make her bikuts taste so good when I'm using the same equipment :roll:

You could jump the gun and buy a still from "some guy" in Kentucky and hope it arrives in Au as described.

Granny didn't make delicious scones/bikuts the day her granny showed her how to, but she hung in there and now she does. You've been privy to some good advice and some shortcuts. you have listened to them and you've made some good product. Given time, you will learn how to convert what you have learnt driving your Lambo slowly, and get better lap times.
Its easy enough to ride a pot still in a pot still race. dump half of what you make and hang the cost, its not really hard if your looking at it without cost in mind.
Kind like letting a valet drive your car for you.

@Distillernz as much as you may think buying a still is like buying a pair of underpants from a store, it dont work that way. Perhaps you should buy aT500 from a brew shop and make some fine quality whiskey or rum flavoured vodka from turbo yeast.

Perhaps you could ask Still Spirits to throw in a free T shirt. And as the T shirt degrades, your whiskey flavoured rum will be ok to drink when the t shirt becomes a dip stick rag.

Dont be angry. Dont be grumpy. Your a New Zealander. You have the right to demand results. Dont you?

Perhaps you might want to re-asses your position of authority and ask yourself do you want to make something to drink and how keen are you to make something thats worthy to drink

I understand you have researched this hobby for a few weeks now and you are very learned, I understand you have worked out China can give you all you need. Good for you dude.
I hope you get the results you deserve.

If you can develop some patience, it will serve you well. 8 year old whisky cant be made next week. Neither can a still. I'd suggest if Garry cant make what you want next week, perhaps you should ask LWTCS.
Sorry,I forgot you got it all worked out from China, just like Copperhead did from Kentucky.
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Re: Vote please

Postby Distillernz » Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:29 pm

Emptyglass, lots of valid points and you have a well-earned reputation around here for building a quality product and by looking at your work rightly so. I realise time and patience are your friends when it comes to this craft. Got plenty of one but apparently not enough of the other.
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