New still build on the way

Vapor, Liquid or Cooling Management. Flutes, plates, etc.

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Re: New still build on the way

Post by Hutch- » Thu May 27, 2010 5:33 am

OD, I was thinking of replicating your design, do you think I could get away with using a 3" x 24" column? Any thoughts on the optimum spacing of the plates for that size?

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Re: New still build on the way

Post by olddog » Thu May 27, 2010 1:58 pm

Yes I was going to build in 3" or 4". but I got a good deal on some 4". The plates should be between 4" and 6" apart, the holes should take up 30% of the surface area, and the holes are 1/8" diameter. Dont forget to allow for the dephlagmater when you calculate the length of your column, this is an essential part for it to work , you could cut down the number of plates to 3 or 4, I went a bit overboard wth 5. Lets see some pictures when you build.


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Re: New still build on the way

Post by Hutch- » Thu May 27, 2010 7:47 pm

Thanks OD, might be a while as I hunt down all the necessary parts. I priced some of pieces new... ouch. The dephlagmater looks like it was a PITA to build, I'm gonna take my time an get it right. I was hoping to one day have a go at your Coffey still design, but it seemed a bit to ambitious. This one I should be able to pull off, especially if I leave off the sight glasses. It's a shame because those give it a real professional look along with being extremely functional. I believe someone some called it a "baby holstein", that's the first thing I thought of.

Just thought of another question, do you think it would work to mount the dephlagmater after the second 3" x 2" reducer? I have some 2" and 1.5" copper lying around that I'd like to make use of. That would allow me to make the most use of the 3" x 24" tubing.

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Re: New still build on the way

Post by olddog » Thu May 27, 2010 8:07 pm

To work properly the dephlagmater needs to be part of the main column, you would be better cutting the plate number down to 3 or 4 to work within the length you have got.
BTW there is a description of how to make those cheaply in the thread on sight glasses.http://homedistiller.org/forum/viewtopi ... 7#p6833967

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Re: New still build on the way

Post by olddog » Fri May 28, 2010 8:07 pm

Just fitted the cooling control valve for the dephlagmater.
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Re: New still build on the way

Post by Hutch- » Sun May 30, 2010 4:02 am

Great stuff, once again beautifully executed. What are you using for a condensor? I'm was planning to run the cooling lines from the condensor(liebig) to the dephlagmator, but it appears that it would be best to control the two separately.

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Re: New still build on the way

Post by LWTCS » Sun May 30, 2010 5:03 am

Hi Hutch,

On my rig I have put together a series of by-passes that will allow for any number of cobinations for cooling. I can recycle product coolant to the dogdish condenser or run the coolant directly to each apparatus.

Also set up separate coolant discharges to more adaquately control flow rate for each condenser.

Did mine with clear tubing to help me see the water flow better. Also used plastic ball valves and barbs so assembly, knock down and reconfiguration is quite easy.

Once I dial in my prefered perameters for running my new thump tower, I may choose to install some fixed copper valves like OD did cuz it looks so friggin sweet.
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Re: New still build on the way

Post by pumpman » Sun May 30, 2010 5:17 am

I don't about you but that damn OD just keeps raising the bar to quikly for me. Every time he comes up with a new design that I want to try he up and canges it again and I just can't work that fast. Dammit Olddog go on holliday or somthing. :lol: Why don't you come across the pond and check out Disney I here it's nice this time of year. Maybe Larry and I will come and harass you.
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Re: New still build on the way

Post by olddog » Sun May 30, 2010 2:58 pm

pumpman wrote: Dammit Olddog go on holliday or somthing
I aint finished yet, I plan to build a Graham condenser to be a permanent part of the rig, with a control manifold for cooling both the Graham condenser and the dephlagmater, It might take some time as I have to source some more copper cheap, I will have to make do with my existing leibig for now though as funds are getting a bit short. Also I have to see the surgeon/specialist about my dodgy knee on thursday, so I could be out of action for a while which will give the rest of you time to catch up. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Re: New still build on the way

Post by pumpman » Mon May 31, 2010 11:41 am

Good luck with that knee I have one that pops all the time when I walk so I may be there in the future myself. Anyway would you make a run with that new rig before you disappear I'm sure we all want to know how it does?
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Re: New still build on the way

Post by Kiwi-lembic » Wed Jul 07, 2010 10:11 pm

Thanks Olddogg your a gentleman

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Re: New still build on the way

Post by Kentucky shinner » Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:39 am

Hey Od I think I have about got all my fittings and copper sorted out. I hope to start building this beast maybe next weekend.
Thanks for all the pics. It really helps out.
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Re: New still build on the way

Post by Kentucky shinner » Thu Aug 26, 2010 12:35 pm

One more question. I have enough unions to make 8 sight glasses, I thought about mounting them on both sides of the colum for light so I could see inside better and if need be I could use a flashlight on the backside. Do you see any problems with doing this?

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Post by LWTCS » Thu Aug 26, 2010 12:40 pm

Kentucky shinner wrote:I have enough unions to make 8 sight glasses, I thought about mounting them on both sides of the colum for light so I could see inside better and if need be I could use a flashlight on the backside.
Okay,,, now your just showing off :D

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Re: New still build on the way

Post by Kentucky shinner » Thu Aug 26, 2010 3:06 pm

Here is what I am thinking on the way of fittings needed for the flute design with the delphlag. not including the graham condenser. point out mistakes . I hope this is close because i have the fittings on the way.. Nothing is to scale just a quick mock up
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Re: New still build on the way

Post by MashMan » Thu Aug 26, 2010 7:33 pm

Hi KS, you need to invert the lower reducer in the deflag, the purple one.

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Re: New still build on the way

Post by Kentucky shinner » Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:17 pm

if I invert that one wont it restrict my vapor flow? I looks like to me you want to funnel your vapor into the 2". That is why I am posting this so i can be corrected. I am sure more opinions will be comming.
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Re: New still build on the way

Post by olddog » Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:18 pm

You can keep it the way you have it as long as you put a drip ring on the bottom reducer to direct the condensed vapor to the centre of the column, by inverting the bottom reducer the condensed vapor will automatically be directed to the centre.


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Re: New still build on the way

Post by MashMan » Fri Aug 27, 2010 3:59 am

Kentucky shinner wrote:if I invert that one wont it restrict my vapor flow? I looks like to me you want to funnel your vapor into the 2".
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considering its the inlet to the deflag, which your using to give reflux, which is going to reduce vapour volume at your condensor anyway I dont think having a less efficient entry to the deflag is going to hurt anything, it might even be a benefit by giving some turbulance from the sharp edge entry into the 2" section.

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Re: New still build on the way

Post by Kentucky shinner » Fri Aug 27, 2010 4:20 am

Ok inverting it is then.

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Re: New still build on the way

Post by WalkingWolf » Fri Aug 27, 2010 4:26 am

Kentucky shinner wrote:Here is what I am thinking on the way of fittings needed for the flute design with the delphlag. not including the graham condenser. point out mistakes . I hope this is close because i have the fittings on the way.. Nothing is to scale just a quick mock up

KS - you going with 3" for the body of the flute? I got some three inch. Would like to get my hands on 4" but that could be a wait.

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Re: New still build on the way

Post by Kentucky shinner » Fri Aug 27, 2010 4:32 am

WW I got lucky and found some 4". I was going to do a 3" but spooky had some 4" and needed some 3" for his graham condenser so we made a trade. Olddog thought the 3" would be fine though. Hey man go for it. use what you have.

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Re: New still build on the way

Post by NcHooch » Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:37 am

...must take a lotta heat to run one o' these....
'course the big question is, how fast can you run a 5 gallon wash?
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Re: New still build on the way

Post by Kentucky shinner » Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:28 pm

I run a 12 gallon wash in about 4.5 - 5 hours.

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Post by NcHooch » Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:00 pm

What about heat ? Do yall hafta run 'em wide open on propane? ...or can you bring it up to a boil and then back it off to a simmer?
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Re: New still build on the way

Post by LWTCS » Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:07 pm

Mines a bit different, but when I'm fully equalized I can collect pretty briskly with less than 1000 watts.
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Post by Kentucky shinner » Sat Oct 23, 2010 11:35 am

I heat up kind of slow. I run my burner about half maybe a little more. When my wash my temp come up in the column then i actually turn it up a little to get more reflux.
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Re: New still build on the way

Post by Austin Nichols » Sun Oct 24, 2010 1:53 am

Do you think there would be any gain in performance by having the column to boiler connection in 4" ?

I'm thinking of getting the 2" connection cut out and a 4" ferule welded to the top of one of my kegs.

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Re: New still build on the way

Post by olddog » Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:00 am

A 4" connection would be the ideal way for a flute, but it makes the keg only useable for one column, if you wanted to use your Bok, you would need two kegs.


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Re: New still build on the way

Post by Austin Nichols » Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:15 am

Excellent! that is how my connection will be done then :D

I think I have everything I need now except the 4" tri clamps that I've got coming, I'll do a mock up tomorrow for everyone's critique.

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