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Postby Prairiepiss » Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:27 pm

You've seen some of him being built. Some of you have seen me talking about him. So finally I would like to introduce the Fu Man. The Separation Fu is strong within him. First of three addons to my stilling system. I have designed all the parts of my still around a 12" section of 2" copper pipe. So I can swap pieces in different spots. The Fu Man is no different. He is 12" tall with a 2" inlet and a 2" outlet. Easy flanges at both ends. For easy movement between positions. He is 8" round and can support a whopping 800 ml of liquid. Before a change out of his drain extender. This distilling master can breath easily because he has a 2" vapor path from the inlet all the way through to the outlet. Which means he can take all you can throw at him. And not get restricted. The 2" vapor path is provided by 4 bubble caps made of 1.5" caps and 1" feed tubes. He should never get backed up because he is sporting a variable height 3/4" drain. He looks like an old wise man but he delivers a punch. And looks damn good doing it.

Without further adieu. I introduce The Fu Man.
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The Fu man had a little incident Friday after final assembly. He fell off a 4 foot work bench. Landed right on top of his head.
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He now has battle scars. I think he may just keep them.
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Re: Mr P's Bubble Bumper experiment.

Postby Elroy303030 » Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:31 pm

That is very cool. :clap:
Did I read right, that is has a plate in it? Does it work kind of like a small flute?
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Re: Mr P's Bubble Bumper experiment.

Postby Prairiepiss » Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:59 pm

Ok after many last minute chores. I finally got to run the sacrificial alcohol run tonight. I used some feints I had left over. The charge ended up being 9.5 gallons @ 10% ABV. And I am very exited about how he ran. I ran him with a 12" section of packed column. So it was Fu Man and 12" of packing. That's one plate and 12" of packing. After a short 30 minute 100% reflux period. I pulled off 600ml of fores. And then switched to the parrot. And low and behold 90% and it was a flowing. I turned the coolant flow up just a bit. And he was pumping out 92% at my normal pot still speed. I cranked the coolant up a bit more. Just playing around really. Trying to get the feel of him. Got it to 94%. I timed the next 800ml. And I collected 800ml of 94% in 18 minutes. :shock: With the 12" packed extension in. I have to really work at it to get 94% and its at a drip or two a second. I can't wait to try him out with 24" of packed column above him. About 2/3rds the way through the 3 qt the ABV dropped like a rock down to 40%. I filled it up and shut him down.

Some notes that surprised me. The packed column reflux was dripping right in the center of my drain. More like pouring into it. I did not expect it to drain like that. I figured it would be more around the walls . Surprisingly enough the plate stayed full the entire run. Even though the column was draining right into the drain. But I will need to make some kind of diflector so all the reflux is mixing on the plate.

My 2700 watts ain't gona cut it. I need more power Scotty. I was nowhere near what this thing can handle. Just what I was shooting for. :mrgreen:

Ok this was only the cleaning run. I didn't get a chance to really play with it. I have two washes waiting to be ran. And just started 35 gal of rum. So I will have plenty of stuff to play with. I will report back when I do.

Just got to post this pic. Because its so damn cool. The Fu Man in an acid bath. :lol:
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Re: Mr P's Bubble Bumper experiment.

Postby Prairiepiss » Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:07 pm

Elroy303030 wrote:That is very cool. :clap:
Did I read right, that is has a plate in it? Does it work kind of like a small flute?


I guess a one plated flute? :lol:

Yes there is a bubblecap plate in it.
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Re: Mr P's Bubble Bumper experiment.

Postby Prairiepiss » Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:12 pm

Now for a question for the viewing audience.

I have the plate fed in and out with 2" the plate is 5.5" in diameter and the ball is 8" diameter. It is feeding a 2" column. So what size column can I claim this as? Is it a 2" plated column? A 5.5" plated column? Or an 8" plated column?
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Re: Mr P's Bubble Bumper experiment.

Postby Prairiepiss » Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:40 pm

Here is some more of the build process. This is how I attached the 2" to the ball, I cut a hole with a 2 1/8" holesaw. I then flanged the 2" slid it out from the inside of the ball. I hard soldered it from the inside. The top outlet sealed good. The bottom inlet didn't. So I hit it from the outside with a little don't solder.
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Re: Mr P's Bubble Bumper experiment.

Postby Prairiepiss » Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:52 pm

Sorry I normally do a better job with documenting my builds. I'm a little all over the place with this one. :roll:

Here is some pics of the bubblecaps.

1" upcomer. I cut tabs and bent them over for the cap to sit on. And to solder them together.
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Here is the upcomer placed in the 1 1/2" bubble cap. From the underside.
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Here is a top view of the bubblecap. I drilled holes to solder through to the upcomer tabs.
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Re: Mr P's Bubble Bumper experiment.

Postby Prairiepiss » Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:55 pm

rockchucker22 wrote:Awesome job! I say 8".


Thanks. But I say. Thank you to you and LWTCS. Without your guys help and encouragement I couldn't have done it. :thumbup:
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Re: Mr P's Bubble Bumper experiment.

Postby Prairiepiss » Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:01 pm

Here is the plate cutting and fitting.
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Re: Mr P's Bubble Bumper experiment.

Postby mash rookie » Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:02 pm

I FREAKING LOVE IT. Bring on the creativity PP. Damn! Thats what I am talking about. How did I miss this? You didnt say you were an artist.

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Re: Mr P's Bubble Bumper experiment.

Postby Frosteecat » Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:02 pm

That's some great Yankee ingenuity there! I would say you are running a 2x5x8, or, if you want to do the median of all three, say you're running a " 5" Overall " column!

You could maybe "flange" a tripod of copper spirals out of the column to your plate area so you aren't dropping straight into the drain???
Maybe the three spirals would come from inside the upper column and angle to hang over the far edges of the plate...

I am also working with some spheres as I see the same potential for greater reflux/ABV with smaller columns. You've given me something to try and top now...good luck, huh?

Really nice work! Can't wait to see more...
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Re: Mr P's Bubble Bumper experiment.

Postby mash rookie » Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:11 pm

Prairiepiss wrote:Now for a question for the viewing audience.

I have the plate fed in and out with 2" the plate is 5.5" in diameter and the ball is 8" diameter. It is feeding a 2" column. So what size column can I claim this as? Is it a 2" plated column? A 5.5" plated column? Or an 8" plated column?


The average size of the ball or balls will determine relation to overall diameter. Cubic Inch volume divided by height = theoretical diameter. The two inch can just be considered restriction devices that that have a greater vapor speed. The work, (refluxing) will be done in the expansion chambers. BIG BALLS.

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Re: Mr P's Bubble Bumper experiment.

Postby Prairiepiss » Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:14 pm

Thanks MR. I guess you could call me an artist? I think of it as just having a Freeky mind. :mrgreen: And until now I haven't had the place to really work on the stuff. This one is just the beginning. Much better to come.

Frosteecat already working on something like that. :thumbup:

Some more of fitting the bubblecaps to the plates.

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Re: Mr P's Bubble Bumper experiment.

Postby Frosteecat » Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:18 pm

How much headspace is there between the top of an upcomer and the underside of a bubble cap?
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Re: Mr P's Bubble Bumper experiment.

Postby Prairiepiss » Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:42 pm

Frosteecat wrote:How much headspace is there between the top of an upcomer and the underside of a bubble cap?


Approx 5/16". I was trying to keep the 1" pipe vapor path through that section. 1/4" would have done it. But the mount tabs take some space away. The puke gap under the cap is 1/4". This was to insure that a 1" vapor path was available.

While I'm at it. The downcomer is 3/4" pipe with a 1" cap on bottom. For a vapor lock. Then I placed a 3/4" Female sweat to female sweat fitting. The bottom of the fitting is flush with the plate. I did this to make the upcomer height adjustable. For further testing of deeper liquid levels. And to see how far I could push it to flood. Like I said I need more power. And I'm going to push this thing to the limit. I have two 220v 5500watt elements. And I'm not afraid to use them. :mrgreen: I just need to bring the 220v over to my stillin area. And build a controller. :thumbup:
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Re: Mr P's Bubble Bumper experiment.

Postby Prairiepiss » Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:48 pm

Now back to pics.
Here is the plate built. You can see the downcomer in place.
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Re: Mr P's Bubble Bumper experiment.

Postby Prairiepiss » Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:59 pm

For those that haven't followed my other builds. This is what I'm using for a reflux condenser/dephlegmater. It's 7 foot of 1/4" coiled with a 2" path through the center. Encased in a 4" ball (tea pot). Above that is a 2 1/2" T capped off and a 1" takeoff to the product condenser. It has approx 13" of 2" column under it. This isn't going to be my final tool for this job. But its what I'm using for now.
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Re: Mr P's Bubble Bumper experiment.

Postby Frosteecat » Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:00 pm

So the drain pipe can spin up or down on a male fitting to adjust the level of flooding? Genius.
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Re: Mr P's Bubble Bumper experiment.

Postby Prairiepiss » Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:40 pm

Frosteecat wrote:So the drain pipe can spin up or down on a male fitting to adjust the level of flooding? Genius.

No I can insert any length of 3/4" pipe I want to into the fitting. It would be like a slip fit.
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Re: Mr P's Bubble Bumper experiment.

Postby Prairiepiss » Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:41 pm

It's getting late. I need to go to bed. But I will be adding more data as I get it. I have to make a metric shite ton of cookies tommaro evening for a picnic Tuesday evening. So I will be busy for a couple days. Then I can get some good runs done. I plan to get some video of the bubbling action. Will be posting them as I get them. I just tried to upload one. Couldn't get it. Will try latter.
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Re: Mr P's Bubble Bumper experiment.

Postby Bonjimmi » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:08 am

Now that is a cool looking rig PP. Bubble caps look awesome..... Gotta love big Copper Balls...! :thumbup:
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Re: Mr P's Bubble Bumper experiment.

Postby heartcut » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:03 am

Looks like Humphrey Bogart should be standing under your rig. Nice.
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Postby Marshwalker » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:06 am

Really nice rig bubba!!! :thumbup:
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Re: Mr P's Bubble Bumper experiment.

Postby Washashore » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:23 am

Holy crap. Very cool Mr. P. on my phone now, but can't wait to get home to have a better look-see. Well done. :clap:
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Postby jimmyjames1981 » Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:12 am

haha i love the mustache!
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Re: Mr P's Bubble Bumper experiment.

Postby fullhouse » Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:04 pm

Very nice Mr. P cant wait to see more of ur creations! :thumbup:
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Re: Mr P's Bubble Bumper experiment.

Postby Bull Rider » Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:49 pm

Now that's cool, I don't care what others say! I LOVE the acid bath photo. You could use him for a cartoon script, "The adventures of FU MAN"

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Re: Mr P's Bubble Bumper experiment.

Postby Prairiepiss » Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:57 pm

Thanks guys. The adventures of Fu Man. :lol: I like it Bull. I will be adding partners to his adventures as I go. :wink:
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Re: Mr P's Bubble Bumper experiment.

Postby lickermaker » Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:17 am

o.k. so per your suggestion I'm gonna steal/ copy this ball plate idea. Mine will be a six inche ball with a four inch plate.
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Re: Mr P's Bubble Bumper experiment.

Postby Prairiepiss » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:08 am

lickermaker wrote:o.k. so per your suggestion I'm gonna steal/ copy this ball plate idea. Mine will be a six inche ball with a four inch plate.


Cool. :thumbup:

With a 4" plate you won't be able to fit the same bubblcaps I used. Maybe a 1" or 1 1/4" cap with a 3/4" upcomer? You will have to see what will fit. But I know from designing mine. The 1 1/2" caps won't fit on a 4" plate. Going with the smaller caps won't hurt you any. You just won't be able to throw as much power at it as I can mine. But should work great. I would stick with the 3/4" drain.

The other thing I would do a little different. If I was to do it again. I would make the upcomers taller along with the Bubble caps. So it could hold a little more liquid at low power. But so far I'm happy with the outcome. But I need to get some more runs through it. Different ways to really make a call on it. I can say from just the one cleaning run. It is defiantly a good addition to the still. And worth building.

Thanks to LWTCS for the inspiration to get the research working. I can't wait to see where this takes us. :thumbup:
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