Best method for seperating corn from mash

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Re: Best method for seperating corn from mash

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Re: Best method for seperating corn from mash

Postby nerdybrewer » Sat Jul 23, 2016 7:41 am

skow69 wrote:Didn't I see that in one of my GFs toys?


Most "massaging" devices employ the use of an offset cam on a motor or series of motors.
An invention that was stolen from me in the early 80's did, it was the portable car seat back massage unit.
Hint: never submit an invention to one of those "Invention Submission" companies that advertise on late night television.
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Re: Best method for seperating corn from mash

Postby nerdybrewer » Sat Jul 23, 2016 7:55 am

Currently at $40 plus shipping...
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You can move up to the Concrete Vibrator Motor series but that's heavy duty stuff and the prices rise dramatically.
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Re: Best method for seperating corn from mash

Postby DAD300 » Sat Jul 23, 2016 1:32 pm

DAD300 wrote:Another commercial version...
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$850.00 plus shipping!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Best method for seperating corn from mash

Postby skow69 » Sun Jul 24, 2016 7:44 am

Do you know how many paint strainer bags you can buy for $850.00?

And how many guys you can hire at Home Depot parking lot to give them the Popeye treatment?

lol
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Re: Best method for seperating corn from mash

Postby skow69 » Sun Jul 24, 2016 7:50 am

Unless you are FreeMountainHermit, that is.

http://homedistiller.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=62395

lol lol
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Re: Best method for seperating corn from mash

Postby MichiganCornhusker » Tue Jul 26, 2016 5:13 pm

Ok, so I wandered off in a couple directions in this thread and I've come to update and close out.

First of all, I love my filter/shaker. I just did a big batch of murky mucky rice and it was a breeze to filter, never even got my hands wet.
My final rendition of the shaker is a 1/2" bolt loosely through one end of the filter arm, the bearing 16" from that, and then another 16" to the center of the filter.
The offset of the bolt through the bearing is 3/16", and that gives it a really nice vibration at top drill speed.

As for all my rambling about is it worth it in the first place to even bother with filtering if you have the ability to steam strip anyway, I say yes.
I ran the clear low wines first, then added the feints from that run to the trub run. After cuts, both runs taste very similar to me. There is a lot of likker in the spent grains and I'm gonna keep going after it.
All said and done, I ended up with 3 quarts of the trub whiskey, 5 quarts of the clear whiskey, and 2 bottles pulled out of the clear strip as one-and-done raw white corn likker at 90p.
Time will tell if I find a preference for the clear or trub, of if I can ever taste a difference as they age.

Here are a couple vids showing the final shaker in its rice filtering glory. At the end of the first clip I stopped to spread out the damp grains. The second clip shows me doing the second pass on the spread out grains.

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Re: Best method for seperating corn from mash

Postby Badmotivator » Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:26 pm

Awesome! Now that you've got a good working model, it might be nice to write up a concise description in a new thread with links, pics, and videos all in one place and a title which is precise and Google-able. There will be many people building a similar rig, and your work will save others a lot of trouble. Cheers!
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Re: Best method for seperating corn from mash

Postby raketemensch » Sun Jul 31, 2016 4:50 am

MichiganCornhusker wrote:Here are a couple vids showing the final shaker in its rice filtering glory. At the end of the first clip I stopped to spread out the damp grains. The second clip shows me doing the second pass on the spread out grains.



I'm not gonna lie, there's something compelling about watching those videos that weirds me out a little.
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Re: Best method for seperating corn from mash

Postby J0hnni3 » Fri Dec 22, 2017 9:06 am

This is a common topic, and it addresses several of the methods, including what is in my own opinion the best one yet.

I've referenced it several times, but had to search. I'd vote for this as a sticky, but maybe place it in the grains section.
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Re: Best method for seperating corn from mash

Postby MtRainier » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:40 am

This is an older post, but is this still working well for you, MichiganCornHusker?

Have you tried it with rye mashes or other challenging things to separate?

This is definitely a thread I bookmarked to keep track of it as something to try.
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Re: Best method for seperating corn from mash

Postby MichiganCornhusker » Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:02 pm

MtRainier wrote:This is an older post, but is this still working well for you, MichiganCornHusker?

Yep, this is still my method for all my batches.
The barrel mesh filter works great on all grain bills.

It does work better post-ferment, but works well straight from the mash too.
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Re: Best method for seperating corn from mash

Postby MtRainier » Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:35 pm

MichiganCornhusker wrote:
MtRainier wrote:This is an older post, but is this still working well for you, MichiganCornHusker?

Yep, this is still my method for all my batches.
The barrel mesh filter works great on all grain bills.

It does work better post-ferment, but works well straight from the mash too.


Great! I was looking for exactly a method for fermenting on the grain but then distilling off grain after separating the liquid and had a mop squeezer in my shopping cart but kept looking. I don't have a steam wand or thumper, so I needed a way to separate them after ferment. In beer brewing I'm used to just running a sparge before the boil, but I've never done corn meal/flour or rye.

It sounds like a plan to use someone's corn process I read recently of basically dumping in boiling water and wrapping it up for a long time after stirring to gelatinize it all eventually adding barley malt at the right time and maybe some liquid enzymes, ferment it all up in the drum, separate with these sieves, and run it.

Do you ever stack the sieves with the coarsest one on top like they do sorting gravel or plankton or do you just run the 100 or 200 these days?
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Re: Best method for seperating corn from mash

Postby MichiganCornhusker » Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:42 pm

I just st use the 400 micron now.
I’m not trying to remove the powder, just the majority of the bulk.
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Re: Best method for seperating corn from mash

Postby badflash » Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:14 pm

I just squeeze the mash by hand and run the liquid through a 600 micron filter. If you put the liquid in a fermenter and let it sit a while, the tiny chunks of corn settle and you can siphon off the clear stuff. Not really needed, but if you want pure corn sugar, that is how to get it.
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Re: Best method for seperating corn from mash

Postby MtRainier » Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:49 am

MichiganCornhusker wrote:I just st use the 400 micron now.
I’m not trying to remove the powder, just the majority of the bulk.


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