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Temperature Control Devices
Hi HD: I just updated my fermenting setup to a water-immersion system to ensure constant regulated heat throughout the ferment: 20L fermenter in a 40 gal Brute bucket + an Inkbird ITC-308 and an Allied Precision bucket heater.
I ensured that the thermostat gave accurate readings before I began, and compared temp readings with two other thermometers. After several hours of continuous use the thermostat on the Inkbird failed, and would register 10C lower than the actual temp of the water - engaging the heating element and bringing the water temps to 40C or more... I returned the first device, and the replacement similarly failed after a few hours of continuous use.
What devices do you use to control and monitor the temperature on your fermenters?
Thanks!
I ensured that the thermostat gave accurate readings before I began, and compared temp readings with two other thermometers. After several hours of continuous use the thermostat on the Inkbird failed, and would register 10C lower than the actual temp of the water - engaging the heating element and bringing the water temps to 40C or more... I returned the first device, and the replacement similarly failed after a few hours of continuous use.
What devices do you use to control and monitor the temperature on your fermenters?
Thanks!
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Because stratification can be a problem with immersion heaters, I'd want see your probe and element placements before commenting.
My current 80l ferment has a 22W element underneath it's insulated fermenter and is controlled with an STC-1000, most of the heat generated by the yeast itself.
My current 80l ferment has a 22W element underneath it's insulated fermenter and is controlled with an STC-1000, most of the heat generated by the yeast itself.
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Re: Temperature Control Devices
I agree with Chris.
You need to keep the jacket water recirculating to avoid stratification. So, you’ll need another vessel/water reservoir and a pump to keep it moving. Regulate the temperature of the reservoir and pump that to the water jacket.
Use an “overflow” line to return the water to the reservoir. Gravity flow will work...just be sure the piping is big enough to easily handle the pump’s flowrate.
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You need to keep the jacket water recirculating to avoid stratification. So, you’ll need another vessel/water reservoir and a pump to keep it moving. Regulate the temperature of the reservoir and pump that to the water jacket.
Use an “overflow” line to return the water to the reservoir. Gravity flow will work...just be sure the piping is big enough to easily handle the pump’s flowrate.
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I use a Sonoff TH16 wifi smart switch for sous vide cooking, mashing, fermenting, and keg fridge controls.
The controller is $16 and the temp sensor is $10 on amazon. I've had one sensor fail in 2 years of use. I use the smart phone app when cooking or mashing to track temperature remotely.
I also have the same inkbird ITC-308 and have been lucky with it.
I had inkbird C909 with failed sensors and can't purchase replacements.
The controller is $16 and the temp sensor is $10 on amazon. I've had one sensor fail in 2 years of use. I use the smart phone app when cooking or mashing to track temperature remotely.
I also have the same inkbird ITC-308 and have been lucky with it.
I had inkbird C909 with failed sensors and can't purchase replacements.
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I really like the remote temp monitor capability. Thanks for sharing.zach wrote:I use a Sonoff TH16 wifi smart switch for sous vide cooking, mashing, fermenting, and keg fridge controls.
The controller is $16 and the temp sensor is $10 on amazon. I've had one sensor fail in 2 years of use. I use the smart phone app when cooking or mashing to track temperature remotely.
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Re: Temperature Control Devices
I'd recommend a smaller heater, the Inkbird is rated for 1000w but it can't take that much power for very longtreusewillout wrote:Hi HD: I just updated my fermenting setup to a water-immersion system to ensure constant regulated heat throughout the ferment: 20L fermenter in a 40 gal Brute bucket + an Inkbird ITC-308 and an Allied Precision bucket heater.
What devices do you use to control and monitor the temperature on your fermenters?
Thanks!
Nor do you need that much power.
My Baine Marie fermenter is 60ish liters and I've been using a STC 1000 controller and a 200w heater
Nice thing about a baine marie, since the fermenter is heated from the bottom, temp stratification isn't a problem
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Re: Temperature Control Devices
Huge thanks to all!
@NZChris and @still_stirrin: Given that there is so little water comprising the jacket (maybe 5 gals?) I never thought about the need to recirculate the water. That being said, I only disrupted the water once a day to check SG. Would an aquarium pump not suffice? (Happy to supply pics of my setup if need be).
Thanks @zach and @shadylane for the hardware recs - the TH16 looks like a great way to stay connected to my rig while I'm at work, and I'll definitely look into a smaller element - the Allied Precision heater seemed a bit robust for what I needed. I still have the second InkBird, so perhaps I'll keep that for the time being while I try to recirculate the water jacket w/ a smaller element.
@NZChris and @still_stirrin: Given that there is so little water comprising the jacket (maybe 5 gals?) I never thought about the need to recirculate the water. That being said, I only disrupted the water once a day to check SG. Would an aquarium pump not suffice? (Happy to supply pics of my setup if need be).
Thanks @zach and @shadylane for the hardware recs - the TH16 looks like a great way to stay connected to my rig while I'm at work, and I'll definitely look into a smaller element - the Allied Precision heater seemed a bit robust for what I needed. I still have the second InkBird, so perhaps I'll keep that for the time being while I try to recirculate the water jacket w/ a smaller element.
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If you can feel a difference in temperature as you run your hand down the side, you need to fix it. Any submersible pump should do. Have it run whenever the element is on. Either top to bottom, or bottom to top, I don't know which is best.
Insulation is my solution. Sometimes so much that I have to loosen it off and run a fan off the same controller to cool it. The most heating I've ever used was 200W in a New Zealand winter.
Insulation is my solution. Sometimes so much that I have to loosen it off and run a fan off the same controller to cool it. The most heating I've ever used was 200W in a New Zealand winter.
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I don't think a pump is needed for a small water bath heated fermenterNZChris wrote:If you can feel a difference in temperature as you run your hand down the side, you need to fix it. Any submersible pump should do. Have it run whenever the element is on.
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Two Inkbirds developing the same fault within hours sounds like the problem wasn't with the Inkbirds, hence my first post.
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Re: Temperature Control Devices
I have a 100 gallon fermenter and have done several 90 gallon ferments.
Using a very similar setup I found that stratification does occur, leading to over heating.
Putting a small recirculating pump in the fermenter solved the problem.
Using a very similar setup I found that stratification does occur, leading to over heating.
Putting a small recirculating pump in the fermenter solved the problem.
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Re: Temperature Control Devices
Can anybody recommend a good heating element? My current setup has a water jacket of around 5-10 gals. A lot of the aquarium heaters I'm finding online get poor reviews or don't go up to 30C.
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I use mine for something different, but the point is, that I was able to tweak the temperature scale / thermometer by 5 degrees. It shows 30, but heats up to 35. It‘s doing very well. Brand is Eheim Jäger, 150 Watts, 15 years old, no problems.treusewillout wrote:A lot of the aquarium heaters I'm finding online get poor reviews or don't go up to 30C.
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500watt stainless steel aquarium heater. I use one 500watt in a 170 gallon stainless fermenter. Even in the winter it is more than enough. The temp will stratify only if the ferment is finished. The action of the yeast keeps it turning over bottom to top.
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Here's a way to tame an oversized heater in the fermenter
It works good, use the boilers controller
It works good, use the boilers controller
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Re: Temperature Control Devices
I ran 85-300 gallon fermentations using inkbird ac100’s with a 4000w camco brewers element. Due to stratification issues I mounted the element at the bottom and took the temperature at the top. This provided some turnover due to the convection. The elements were mounted in 2” triclamp bulkhead fittings from still dragon. The temp sensor was mounted using a rubber cork from the home brew shop. Overall simple and robust.
The 4000w elements are just over 1000w when run on 110 vs 240 and even though that was at the limit for the controllers I never had any issues with failure. Ran 5 systems for about 18 months continuously.
The 4000w elements are just over 1000w when run on 110 vs 240 and even though that was at the limit for the controllers I never had any issues with failure. Ran 5 systems for about 18 months continuously.
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Re: Temperature Control Devices
To close the loop on this - I purchased an aquarium pump and a smaller heating element (also kept the ac100) and have had great success since.
Thanks all!
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Not to open the can of worms more, but a healthy dose of insulation around the entire system would help too. If things are insulated well you will use less power, see less spikes/fluctuations and the temps will be more equalized throughout the entire system with or w/o circulation. Otis
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