Does unmalted triticale have diastatic power?

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Does unmalted triticale have diastatic power?

Post by Clamsmasha » Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:02 am

I’m thinking about malting some trit I have coming...

In my internet search for info on the properties of malted triticale I’ve seen a couple of references to the unmalted grain having a high DP. I can’t find anything concrete but this is an example of what turned up in a blurb about a whiskey:

“ Is this the future of whiskey? Triticale is a new grain variety created
by crossing species of wheat and rye to create a grain with the hardiness
of rye and the yields of wheat. Malted triticale is similar to malted rye
and has been identified as a grain with great promise for the brewing and
distilling industry. Even more interesting, unmalted triticale has high
diastatic power and a very low gelatinization temp, meaning it can mash
without prior boiling. In terms of taste, it does have the spicy character
of rye but is less pronounced.”

A Serbian paper on triticale malt in brewing also makes a passing reference...

“ Some triticale lines contain high levels of amylolytic activity in their unmal- ted natural form, in conjunction with lower levels of proteolytic activity. Because of this and the low gelatinization range (59-65oC), triticale is capable of degrading its own starch content with efficiencies roughly equal to those of barley malt. Some cultivars contribute considerable amounts of free amino nitrogen to the wort accompanied by an arabinoxylan content similar to that of all-malt worts. Based on these facts, it can be assumed that tri- ticale could be used as a brewing adjunct that would provide high malt ratios (>30-50%) without the need for the addition of microbial enzymes during mashing, as currently practiced”

http://www.doiserbia.nb.rs/img/doi/145 ... 38117G.pdf

Does anyone know the deal with this?....seems like the supergrain.

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Re: Does unmalted triticale have diastatic power?

Post by Demy » Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:14 am

I don't know I've ever used that cereal but generally it is the malting that develops the enzymes in good quantity. But not knowing I can't say for sure. If you have it available, you could do a test on a very small amount.

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Re: Does unmalted triticale have diastatic power?

Post by Chauncey » Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:49 am

Ive heard about it on here a few times and dont know much of it

https://www.skiprockdistillers.com/stor ... background.

http://dryflydistilling.com/dryfly-prod ... e-whiskey/

Theres definitely triticale whiskey available though
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Re: Does unmalted triticale have diastatic power?

Post by Clamsmasha » Thu Oct 15, 2020 6:28 am

So I got my big bag of triticale.

I made a 55lt wash with 12kgof trit. I poured in hot water and let it sit around 62c for 45 mins or so...I wanted to gelatinise it for a nice quick ferment and to kill any badyeasties.

I kept on tasting the mash. It just kept getting sweeter...interesting. I pitched Angel “starter of Liquor”. It went more nuts than expected and pushed some porridge out over the side overnight. I suspected it had converted some starch to sugar before pitching.

Today mashed a small quantity in the same way. It got very sweet. I split in 2 and put straight bakers yeast. No enzymes,no rhizopus, nothing.

Looks like it can self convert unmalted YEEHAW!

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Re: Does unmalted triticale have diastatic power?

Post by rubberduck71 » Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:42 am

Anyone know a good, reliable, inexpensive (i.e. not getting reamed on shipping costs) source of triticale in U.S.? I'm in the NE area, but haven't seen it in any of the local grain stores.

Rye/wheat base goes right up my preferred flavor profile! :clap:

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Re: Does unmalted triticale have diastatic power?

Post by still_stirrin » Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:25 pm

rubberduck71 wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:42 am
Anyone know a...source of triticale in U.S.? Rye/wheat base goes right up my preferred flavor profile!
Duck,
I know for a fact that a lot of farmers in central Pennsylvania raise corn, wheat, and oats. Also, there are sorghum farms there too. So, I would believe there are CO-OPs in the central state area where you could buy those grains "by the bushel". Sure, you may have to drive a few miles, but if you take a truck, you wouldn't have to do it more than once a year.

As far as triticale, it is more of a "birdseed" grain and I don't know where it is widely grown (perhaps in Europe, tho). But if you can buy corn, wheat, and oats "by the bushel", why bother with triticale?
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