Learning About Fruit Wood for Aging

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Re: Learning About Fruit Wood for Aging

Post by OtisT » Fri Oct 30, 2020 3:44 pm

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Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:38 am
Just in time Otis! I'm ready with my rum (hook style) and was asking myself how I'll age it with my cherry wood. I talked about it on this post in October if you remember.
I used fruit yeasts, and the white rum has fruity notes with a pleasant nose of red fruit and an apricot after taste.

I hesitate to nuke/vacuum or just just let the wood soak in?

In any event, once that virus everyone is talking about lets go off me and I'm able to leave the couch for more than 10 minutes...
Fred, It sucks you got the virus. I sure hope you get over it soon.

Regarding a soak vs vacuum/nuke, I’ll say that you have more control just letting it soak so less chance of over doing it. I’ve had enjoyable results with both, but think less wood over a longer time is better for the control and because I do feel that both the fruit wood and toast aspect of the wood seems to develop over time. I recall thinking there was good and noticeable change still happening 3-6 months for some fruit wood, so the trick for me is using a small enough portion of wood that allows me to let it develop over time w/o adding too much wood/toast. I have not done enough tests (and my memory and notes are not good enough) to say that there is big change after that 3-6 month time frame.

If you have enough spirits I suggest you do a jar now with the vacuum or nuke it so you have something to enjoy in a few days or weeks, and let the rest soak and test the results over time to stop when it has enough cherry and toast for you. This assumes you have a nice white cut of rum now and you like how your rum tastes already. If you don’t like it white today, you probably won’t like it in a few days after soaking some wood in it, vacuumed or not. If your rum has heads and/or tails to work out, no sense rushing it with a vacuum and take the long soak approach.

Keep in mind my experience with this stuff is limited and I am still working out how much wood to use, how deep to toast, how hot to toast, how long is enough and possibly how long is too long. Not a lot of info around about using fruitwood like there is on oak, and there are so many variables to consider. Learning about aging and polishing spirits is definitely a long game. :-)

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Re: Learning About Fruit Wood for Aging

Post by Fredistiller » Mon Nov 02, 2020 5:47 am

OtisT wrote:
Fri Oct 30, 2020 3:44 pm
Fredistiller wrote:
Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:38 am
Just in time Otis! I'm ready with my rum (hook style) and was asking myself how I'll age it with my cherry wood. I talked about it on this post in October if you remember.
I used fruit yeasts, and the white rum has fruity notes with a pleasant nose of red fruit and an apricot after taste.

I hesitate to nuke/vacuum or just just let the wood soak in?

In any event, once that virus everyone is talking about lets go off me and I'm able to leave the couch for more than 10 minutes...
Fred, It sucks you got the virus. I sure hope you get over it soon.

Regarding a soak vs vacuum/nuke, I’ll say that you have more control just letting it soak so less chance of over doing it. I’ve had enjoyable results with both, but think less wood over a longer time is better for the control and because I do feel that both the fruit wood and toast aspect of the wood seems to develop over time. I recall thinking there was good and noticeable change still happening 3-6 months for some fruit wood, so the trick for me is using a small enough portion of wood that allows me to let it develop over time w/o adding too much wood/toast. I have not done enough tests (and my memory and notes are not good enough) to say that there is big change after that 3-6 month time frame.

If you have enough spirits I suggest you do a jar now with the vacuum or nuke it so you have something to enjoy in a few days or weeks, and let the rest soak and test the results over time to stop when it has enough cherry and toast for you. This assumes you have a nice white cut of rum now and you like how your rum tastes already. If you don’t like it white today, you probably won’t like it in a few days after soaking some wood in it, vacuumed or not. If your rum has heads and/or tails to work out, no sense rushing it with a vacuum and take the long soak approach.

Keep in mind my experience with this stuff is limited and I am still working out how much wood to use, how deep to toast, how hot to toast, how long is enough and possibly how long is too long. Not a lot of info around about using fruitwood like there is on oak, and there are so many variables to consider. Learning about aging and polishing spirits is definitely a long game. :-)

Otis

Thanks for your concern Otis, I feel better and should be okay within a few days.

As you said there is no sense of rushing it. I'll follow your advice and just soak over time at 55abv.
It is my first rum (as cane molasses are quite expensive here) and I only have 3.3L of final spirit at 63abv. I would rather stay on the safe side of the road and I'm quite reluctant of using cherry wood for all my product. I think I'll split in two mason jar and use 1/3 on cherry and use oak for 2/3. Do you already mix wood in the same jar? Like 1/4 fruit and 3/4 oak for example?

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Re: Learning About Fruit Wood for Aging

Post by OtisT » Mon Nov 02, 2020 6:50 am

I see no issue using oak and cherry at the same time in the same jar. That will cut your aging time by doing both at once vs one at a time.

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Re: Learning About Fruit Wood for Aging

Post by Fredistiller » Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:09 am

Actually, I meant aging at the same time but in two different jars. But if you see no issue using both in the same jar at the same time, I think I'll give it a go.

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