My barrel ageing experiment

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My barrel ageing experiment

Post by jayka » Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:06 pm

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Hi All,

I have read all the different feeds / heated discussions about barrel ageing and the risks of over oaking so I have decided to create a thread and post my findings.
full disclaimer: I am already partial to the idea that longer is better and the oak flavours will mellow, but I will try to not be biased with my review of the idea.

Yesterday I put 5lt of "The Naughty Forties" on oak in a semi virgin barrel. (lets just say it got to third base with some Port)

So here are the details:

The Barrel: New American Oak Medium char / Seasoned with Port for 4 weeks (That's how I got to third base)
Mash Bill: 50% Simpsons Golden Promise
25% Weyermanns Munich
25% Simpsons Imperial
Final Product: 5lt @ 55% and it tasted pretty nice straight

I will try to post on a weekly basis with a pic and a taste.

Wish me luck!
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Re: My barrel ageing experiment

Post by ravi » Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:38 pm

good luck buddy!
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Re: My barrel ageing experiment

Post by Corn Crib » Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:06 am

Seen many photos of barrels, this is the nicest looking drip-catcher ever.

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Post by The Baker » Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:11 am

Corn Crib wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:06 am
Seen many photos of barrels, this is the nicest looking drip-catcher ever.

Good luck friend!
I agree.

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Re: My barrel ageing experiment

Post by Beerswimmer » Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:03 am

I'm sure that it's going to be delicious! Was the port overly oaked after being in the barrel?
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Re: My barrel ageing experiment

Post by Durhommer » Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:19 am

So tell us how this goes I rarely touch my barrel stuff
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Re: My barrel ageing experiment

Post by jayka » Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:32 pm

Corn Crib wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:06 am
Seen many photos of barrels, this is the nicest looking drip-catcher ever.

Good luck friend!
Yeh thanks, just don't tell my wife where her cheese platter plate went.
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Re: My barrel ageing experiment

Post by jayka » Mon Aug 03, 2020 4:48 pm

Well it's barrel testing Tuesday. Whiskey has been on oak for 1 week now. Nice colour but no major flavour changes
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Post by jayka » Mon Aug 10, 2020 4:17 pm

It's barrel tasting Tuesday again. Two weeks in and Colour coming through nicely and flavour starting to gain a little depth.
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Post by ravi » Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:49 pm

grt! keep going)))
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Post by Durhommer » Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:27 am

Nice work
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Re: My barrel ageing experiment

Post by jayka » Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:32 am

Thanks, I really want to test out the whole barrel "over oaking" issue so I'm wanting to push this out to at least a year and see how it goes.
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Re: My barrel ageing experiment

Post by jayka » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:45 pm

Well I missed "barrel tasting Tuesday" but thank god for "whiskey Wednesday"
I can't believe how good this tastes! Real nice caramel flavour coming through. Colour fairly the same.
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Post by ravi » Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:13 pm

jayka wrote:
Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:45 pm
Well I missed "barrel tasting Tuesday" but thank god for "whiskey Wednesday"
I can't believe how good this tastes! Real nice caramel flavour coming through. Colour fairly the same.IMG_20200819_112846.jpg
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Post by jayka » Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:14 pm

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Ok so I missed an update last week but I actually had to change barrels as my cheep ass made in china barrel started leaking so I decanted it into a new barrel.
French oak ex port barrel made local here in Margaret River wa
So I guess I have ruined the experiment a little by increasing the chance of over oaking. But oh well I'm still going to see it through.
It has been in this barrel for 1 week now and some nice red colour is coming through. Taste is nice. Quite warming to taste at 55% but still pretty smooth. No crazy over the top wood flavour.
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Post by Tabucowboy » Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:53 pm

How big are your barrels?
CM Reflux Still -- Copper mesh 16" ,column 31" tall, dia. 2",temp at boiler,top of column, power - PAC w5500w Element
Pot Still -- Copper mesh 16",column, 23" tall dia. 2", temp at boiler, power - PAC w5500w Element

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Re: My barrel ageing experiment

Post by ravi » Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:02 pm

hello,
i am also planning to buy barrel form china because at my location barrel is not available...pls tell me if china made ass is not good at all then I will skip buying from there....

cheer! it looks good
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Re: My barrel ageing experiment

Post by jayka » Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:12 pm

Maybe I just had bad luck. When I tried to get a refund they said they test every barrel so maybe you might get better luck. Also it's not uncommon for a barrel to leak a little. I will go through the process they sent me on how to fix and let you know here if it works. Where are you located?
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Re: My barrel ageing experiment

Post by jayka » Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:13 pm

Tabucowboy wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:53 pm
How big are your barrels?
This one Isa 5lt (fits 6lt) but I'm getting 10lt now. Just better value for money.
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Post by jayka » Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:15 pm

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Top shelf is the 5lt bottom shelf are 10lt
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Re: My barrel ageing experiment

Post by ravi » Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:38 pm

jayka wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:13 pm
Tabucowboy wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:53 pm
How big are your barrels?
This one Isa 5lt (fits 6lt) but I'm getting 10lt now. Just better value for money.
i am also planing for 10 liter barrel. I am in south Korea
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Post by ravi » Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:39 pm

also pls share your link of seller
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Post by jayka » Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:49 am

ravi wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:39 pm
also pls share your link of seller
I just get it from my local brew shop.
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Re: My barrel ageing experiment

Post by jayka » Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:52 am

They are $220 AUD for a 10lt $187530 KRW
How much is the made in china one?
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Post by Saltbush Bill » Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:59 am

jayka wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:12 pm
Also it's not uncommon for a barrel to leak a little.
Ive bought two brand new barrels from one copperage ....I know of many others who have dealt through the same company...I have never heard of a single one of them leaking.
I would suggest that its not uncommon for badly made cheap barrels to leak.
Well made ones don't leak or shouldn't...if they did I'd be asking for my money back.

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Post by ravi » Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:57 pm

jayka wrote:
Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:52 am
They are $220 AUD for a 10lt $187530 KRW
How much is the made in china one?
with delivery to Korea in 125,000krw. did not ordered yet though....
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Post by jayka » Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:32 pm

ravi wrote:
Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:57 pm
jayka wrote:
Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:52 am
They are $220 AUD for a 10lt $187530 KRW
How much is the made in china one?
with delivery to Korea in 125,000krw. did not ordered yet though....
Yeh that is similar to that my made in chine cost. What is your country like with importing wood? I could look into sending one over if your interested and don't mind paying a bit more for your barrel.
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Re: My barrel ageing experiment

Post by jayka » Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:37 pm

Saltbush Bill wrote:
Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:59 am
jayka wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:12 pm
Also it's not uncommon for a barrel to leak a little.
Ive bought two brand new barrels from one copperage ....I know of many others who have dealt through the same company...I have never heard of a single one of them leaking.
I would suggest that its not uncommon for badly made cheap barrels to leak.
Well made ones don't leak or shouldn't...if they did I'd be asking for my money back.
Yes I probably didn't phrase that correctly. The ones I get from a proper cooperage are great don't leak and the guy even give you his number for a direct swap if they do. But from what I can tell about all the mass produced barrels you might need to put in a little work at the start that's why they come with barrel wax and instructions on how to deal with a leak.
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Re: My barrel ageing experiment

Post by ravi » Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:49 pm

jayka wrote:
Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:32 pm
ravi wrote:
Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:57 pm
jayka wrote:
Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:52 am
They are $220 AUD for a 10lt $187530 KRW
How much is the made in china one?
with delivery to Korea in 125,000krw. did not ordered yet though....
Yeh that is similar to that my made in chine cost. What is your country like with importing wood? I could look into sending one over if your interested and don't mind paying a bit more for your barrel.
I am not very sure about rule and regulation. I never ordered wood before. how much it will be for barrel yo are talking about? which location you are from?
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Re: My barrel ageing experiment

Post by jayka » Wed Sep 02, 2020 11:02 pm

Ravi,
I got a rough price to ship you a barrel and it would cost $70aud with a 10lt barrel costing $230 I would expect it to cost $300 for the barrel. That's $262907 KRW. That's double the cost of the China one so it's up to you if you want to try. I know I would struggle to justify paying double but I'm definitely happy to help if you are interested. They are pretty nice barrels and professionally made.
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