Melter Honey

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Melter Honey

Post by Windswept » Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:44 pm

Was just in at the local apiary to see if they had any low-grade or non food quality honey and they suggested I try some melter honey. It's basically the left over honey that's extracted when they render out the wax. It's basically cooked watery honey that's caramelized. Anyone use it before? They're giving me a 5 gallon pail of the stuff to try, and I figure I'll have to mix it 50/50 with water at least.

Anyway, if it works, they've got drums of the stuff for peanuts.
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Re: Melter Honey

Post by jonnys_spirit » Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:01 pm

Oh Man Score!

Honey shine is the best! I bet caramelized has some good flavors too! The mead folks cook their honey till various levels of caramelization and call it "Bochet". Never had it but Valhalla hasn't called me home yet either....

I'd use a nutrient schedule and ferment it like a mead if you;re thinking a straight up honey shine and save the dunder while you're at it to reintegrate like molasses / rum.

Does it have wax in it?

Very interested especially if it's a useable byproduct.

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Re: Melter Honey

Post by Windswept » Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:47 pm

I’m probably going to ferment it as is, strip it, add some quality honey to the low wines and run it again.

I’m inordinately excited!
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Re: Melter Honey

Post by jonnys_spirit » Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:36 pm

I read up a little on melter honey and I think the bees asses are gonna bee a good flavor enhancer!

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Re: Melter Honey

Post by Windswept » Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:55 pm

So I picked it up today, 4.5 gallons for free, mixed it 2 parts honey to 7 parts water to get it to about 8% potential ABV. Looks like molasses, but smells like honey, kind of a weird combo. Added some DAP and some oyster shells (I put that crap on everything).
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I think I might have over diluted, but we’ll see. SG was 1.07.
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Re: Melter Honey

Post by Deplorable » Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:57 pm

That SG should give you a healthy stress free ferment.
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Re: Melter Honey

Post by sweeps » Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:57 pm

jonnys_spirit wrote:
Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:36 pm
I read up a little on melter honey and I think the bees asses are gonna bee a good flavor enhancer!

Cheers,
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You make rum from mole asses, so I figure bee asses must make something interesting.

Eager to hear how this turns out.

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Re: Melter Honey

Post by Windswept » Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:54 pm

Less than 24 hours in. Sg is down to 1.05 and it’s churning away madly!
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Re: Melter Honey

Post by Windswept » Mon Aug 24, 2020 5:31 am

Fermented to just under 1.00sg in less than 3 days, hoping to get the strips done. I'd never done a staged nutrient addition before, but I tried it with this one and it went gangbusters.

The wash tastes pretty awesome as it is. I'm probably going to keep a gallon or two back to drink as is!
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Re: Melter Honey

Post by Windswept » Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:06 am

got it stripped and spirited ( i added some fresh wildflower honey into the low wines for the spirit run), tails started in at a fairly high ABV, but I'd still managed to collect about 2 gallons at 140pr before they did, was pretty good right out of the gate, but I gave it about 2 weeks sitting in glass with a coffee filter cover and it smells even better. proofed 2l of it down to 80pr last night and the floral honey smell was incredible just coming off as I proofed.

They gave me 2 drums of the stuff, so when I extrapolate i could end up with 70 gallons of this stuff, not sure what I'm going to do with it all! I'm seriously thinking about getting an older multi-fill full sized barrel and just leaving it for as long as I can stand to see what it makes!

I'm also going to need a bigger still, it's going to take forever on my 8 gallon :( about 45 strips and another 20ish spirits...
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Re: Melter Honey

Post by jonnys_spirit » Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:42 am

Sounds awesome! Two drums wow! I think pure honey shine is one of the best spirits and you could really get some nice honey dunder going with all that.

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Re: Melter Honey

Post by Windswept » Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:59 am

I was thinking about trying it pugirum style and keeping the tails to add in every spirit run, I'll have lots to try with!
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Re: Melter Honey

Post by Beerswimmer » Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:40 pm

Oooh yeah, do it like a heavy rum!
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Re: Melter Honey

Post by NZChris » Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:30 pm

Windswept wrote:
Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:06 am

I'm also going to need a bigger still, it's going to take forever on my 8 gallon :( about 45 strips and another 20ish spirits...
Adding a preheater would be cheaper, plus it would be cheaper and quicker to run than a bigger still.

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Re: Melter Honey

Post by Deplorable » Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:29 pm

NZChris wrote:
Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:30 pm
Windswept wrote:
Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:06 am

I'm also going to need a bigger still, it's going to take forever on my 8 gallon :( about 45 strips and another 20ish spirits...
Adding a preheater would be cheaper, plus it would be cheaper and quicker to run than a bigger still.
Not to derail the OPs thread, but is this something that can be done using the discharge water from the PC through a copper coil? Could a wort chiller attached to the outflow hose from the PC be used to preheat the next batch for stripping thus reducing heat up time in the boiler?
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Re: Melter Honey

Post by NZChris » Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:45 pm

There are threads that discuss it.

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