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Hand Sanitizer Recall - Methanol poisoning

Post by WithOrWithoutU2 » Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:18 pm

It seems many of the hand sanitizers are getting recalled due to them containing methanol.
The articles are stating the risk of methanol poising through the skin from the hand sanitizers. I will say, I've created some of my own hand sanitizer for around the house. I did use the heads from some reflux runs (sugar heads).

You guys think there would be enough methanal from those heads to worry about? On Stripping runs I threw out about 1/2 jar and on the spirit run I did the same. I think it is ok, but just wanted to check with you guys and bring attention to the matter for others.

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Post by Expat » Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:24 pm

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You guys think there would be enough methanal from those heads to worry about? On Stripping runs I threw out about 1/2 jar and on the spirit run I did the same. I think it is ok, but just wanted to check with you guys and bring attention to the matter for others.
Nope, truth is methanol concentrations are, in general, exceedingly low
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Re: Hand Sanitizer Recall - Methanol poisoning

Post by WithOrWithoutU2 » Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:01 pm

Expat wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:24 pm
WithOrWithoutU2 wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:18 pm
You guys think there would be enough methanal from those heads to worry about? On Stripping runs I threw out about 1/2 jar and on the spirit run I did the same. I think it is ok, but just wanted to check with you guys and bring attention to the matter for others.
Nope, truth is methanol concentrations are, in general, exceedingly low
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Post by HDNB » Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:23 pm

ive had mine checked at a lab. comes back not detected, i'm not doing anything your not doing to make it special. the only detections were acetaldehyde and acetone. and those were almost non existent. lots of ethanol though!
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Post by kimbodious » Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:03 am

Some are being recalled in Australia because they did not have enough “alcohol” to be effective as a sanitiser.
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Post by Tennessee_Spirits » Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:16 am

The whole issue of methanol in hand sanitizers is a distraction. The fact remains that a sink and soap and water sanitizes much better and safer and the public is lead to believe they need hand sanitizer to be germ free. Fact is nothing safe will leave the hands or any skin actually sterile. But it is worth doing because the water and detergent removes oils and debris from the skin that harbor bacteria and virus particles and breaks their cell wall or exposed proteins.
Acetone is liver toxic but in too small concentration to be a problem and even commercial hand sanitizer can fall below 60% alcohol. A few years ago hand sanitizers were given away! It was not until hospitals embraced them as a replacement for frequent hand washing between patient contacts that these products matured. The main reason was that it cost much more to install a sink in a building already built. Gluing a hand sanitizer to the wall was a much cheaper way to comply with medicare's changing rulebook.

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Post by pope » Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:40 am

Tennessee_Spirits wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:16 am
Fact is nothing safe will leave the hands or any skin actually sterile.
You mean no autoclave hand-sanitizing machines are hitting the market soon??

I agree that hand washing is getting lost in all the sanitizer noise (not that sanitizer isn't a useful tool).
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Post by Deplorable » Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:46 am

pope wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:40 am
Tennessee_Spirits wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:16 am
Fact is nothing safe will leave the hands or any skin actually sterile.
You mean no autoclave hand-sanitizing machines are hitting the market soon??

I agree that hand washing is getting lost in all the sanitizer noise (not that sanitizer isn't a useful tool).
Yep. Just like brewing, there is a difference between "washing" and "sanitizing". If your hands are dirty, no amount of sanitizer is gonna get them clean. Soap and water, and a good scrubbin.
Use all your senses, and its not that hard. You just have to pay attention.

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Post by Expat » Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:59 am

pope wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:40 am
Tennessee_Spirits wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:16 am
Fact is nothing safe will leave the hands or any skin actually sterile.
You mean no autoclave hand-sanitizing machines are hitting the market soon??

I agree that hand washing is getting lost in all the sanitizer noise (not that sanitizer isn't a useful tool).
To paraphrase what a biochemical engineer friend of mine once said; Killing bugs is easy, not killing the host is the hard part.

At least in my locality, its pretty well understood that sanitizer is targeted towards situations where a sink/soap isn't available or appropriate.
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Post by Saltbush Bill » Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:40 pm

Expat wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:59 am
At least in my locality, its pretty well understood that sanitizer is targeted towards situations where a sink/soap isn't available or appropriate.
I thought that was common knowledge, that fact has been pushed from the very begining of the virus situation in this country.

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Post by cob » Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:17 pm

Around 280 products on recall here ALL from mexico. :crazy:

https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-a ... s-methanol

edited to add I would wager that this is a global problem. :twisted:
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Post by WithOrWithoutU2 » Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:10 pm

Expat wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:59 am

At least in my locality, its pretty well understood that sanitizer is targeted towards situations where a sink/soap isn't available or appropriate.
Same here. There are some idiots though. But the message from the "experts" is to wash hands with soap and water thoroughly.

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Re: Hand Sanitizer Recall - Methanol poisoning

Post by Expat » Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:21 pm

WithOrWithoutU2 wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:10 pm
Expat wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:59 am

At least in my locality, its pretty well understood that sanitizer is targeted towards situations where a sink/soap isn't available or appropriate.
Same here. There are some idiots though. But the message from the "experts" is to wash hands with soap and water thoroughly.
The only message they managed to get right.
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Re: Hand Sanitizer Recall - Methanol poisoning

Post by gwizard » Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:12 pm

I just drink my whisky, sorry, sanitize nasal throat cavity, and not worry about it too much ;-)

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Post by Kareltje » Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:47 am

gwizard wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:12 pm
I just drink my whisky, sorry, sanitize nasal throat cavity, and not worry about it too much ;-)
Be sure to make it a double whisky: 2 * 40 % = 80 %. The minimum strength of good sanitizer.

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Post by goose eye » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:25 am

Know it a old thread but had to get out an on the way back stop by Lowe's. They got hand sanitizer an got some.
If you want to know the scent the old boys is lookin for to stop collectin that it. That stuff got to be made from distillery likker cause it is backins.
Dern it stinks


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Post by seabass » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:35 am

I've used a lot of hand sanitizer that smells like whiskey heads.

From the reports I've read, those methanol poisonings were from idiots DRINKING hand sanitizer. Most likely it was made from denatured alcohol.

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Post by Corsaire » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:09 am

Haha even my wife recognized heads in a sanitizer here. Now's a good time for noobs to learn to make cuts ;-)

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Re: Hand Sanitizer Recall - Methanol poisoning

Post by goose eye » Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:46 am

Bet them folks is high gradein bonded backins with medical likker.



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Post by LWTCS » Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:57 am

goose eye wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:25 am
Know it a old thread but had to get out an on the way back stop by Lowe's. They got hand sanitizer an got some.
If you want to know the scent the old boys is lookin for to stop collectin that it. That stuff got to be made from distillery likker cause it is backins.
Dern it stinks


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Yep.
All the sanitizer dispensers at my gym smell like some bugger'd up whiskey.
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