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The FBI/Sheriff/ABC raiding my house

Postby magnetic_tarantula » Sun Aug 30, 2015 4:58 pm

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Re: The FBI/Sheriff/ABC raiding my house

Postby magnetic_tarantula » Sun Aug 30, 2015 5:07 pm

Apparently this is the first charge of its kind in San Diego county in decades, seems like a waste of taxpayer money.
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Re: The FBI/Sheriff/ABC raiding my house

Postby magnetic_tarantula » Sun Aug 30, 2015 5:35 pm

ex wife called the sheriff for a child welfare check saying I was moonshining in my home. She is angry because I have 66% custody of the girls since she is a terrible parent. The sheriff said it wasn't a big deal but did have to file that I had distillation equipment(i was cleaning a copper coil on my porch).
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Postby magnetic_tarantula » Sun Aug 30, 2015 5:46 pm

Someone is going to create gofundme for my legal fees so I will likely post info about that somewhere. I am trying to convince her to make "Moonshiners of the world unite!" T-shirts.....that or "Save Derek" shirts lol

I think it'll work out just fine. There is lots of evidence that my intentions were to open a distillery and that is why i was researching recipes and building/acquiring equipment.

The funniest part is the sheriff who drove me down to the county jail said to me....."man that whiskey you made smells so good, I wish I could've tried it"

I wish I could've seen the 20 sheriffs/fbi/ttb/abc agents nosing my fucking whiskey.......woulda been a great picture.
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Postby magnetic_tarantula » Fri Apr 01, 2016 6:46 pm

Just in case anyone is curious, this past Tuesday the District Attorney dismissed my case. It doesn't appear that I was ever even charged. I have no word whether I will get any confiscated stuff back. A whole box truck was filled with all the equipment I had built to open a distillery in the future. I'm definitely very happy to have this case over with. It took a bit of effort from my lawyer, but it appears her hard work paid off. The total cost, minus lost equipment/whiskey, ran in the range of $7000($5000 retainer plus $2000 bail). For me it worked out OK. The fund my friend started raised $1900, and the ex-wife that called the sheriff on me it cost her $3500. I'm glad I fought it, hopefully this is just one more chink in the armor towards getting this hobby legalized. There is currently legislation up before the House to update the laws surrounding this.
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Re: The FBI/Sheriff/ABC raiding my house

Postby Bigbob » Fri Apr 01, 2016 8:34 pm

Congratulations on getting off. Too bad it had to hurt you money wise,but, could have been lots worse. Hope you get your property back but I wouldn't hold my breath. Good luck!
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Postby Truckinbutch » Fri Apr 01, 2016 8:50 pm

Bigbob wrote:Congratulations on getting off. Too bad it had to hurt you money wise,but, could have been lots worse. Hope you get your property back but I wouldn't hold my breath. Good luck!
+1 on Bob .
You Might get some equipment back . Bet liquid goods 'evaporated in poor storage'.
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Postby Uncle Jesse » Fri Apr 01, 2016 10:55 pm

Very glad to hear that not only did this work out for you but that it cost our ex some cabbage!
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Postby T-Pee » Sat Apr 02, 2016 7:20 am

Uncle Jesse wrote:Very glad to hear that not only did this work out for you but that it cost our ex some cabbage!

You were married to her too?? :wtf:

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Postby goblin » Sat Apr 02, 2016 7:26 am

it probably cost the tax payer more that what it cost you. but that is what they do, what a waste of time and $$$
good luck
hope your kids are well.
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Postby bearriver » Sat Apr 02, 2016 8:06 am

magnetic_tarantula wrote:Just in case anyone is curious, this past Tuesday the District Attorney dismissed my case. It doesn't appear that I was ever even charged. I have no word whether I will get any confiscated stuff back. A whole box truck was filled with all the equipment I had built to open a distillery in the future.


Seen a similar situation happen, not directly related to distilling but related enough... You have a good chance to get your stuff back from my understanding.
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Postby MoonBreath » Sun Apr 03, 2016 9:23 am

Nice ending to a bad deal ...Gives us all some hope.
Glad to hear it's behind you.
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Postby skow69 » Sun Apr 03, 2016 10:13 am

magnetic_tarantula wrote:ex wife called the sheriff for a child welfare check saying I was moonshining in my home. She is angry because I have 66% custody of the girls since she is a terrible parent.


Ain't that the way it goes. Most of the people I know who ever got busted for anything got it because some crazy vindictive ex got pissed off about some bullshit. The gofundme is still open. I kicked ya a little. Glad it's over.
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Re: The FBI/Sheriff/ABC raiding my house

Postby magnetic_tarantula » Sun Apr 03, 2016 1:08 pm

goblin wrote:it probably cost the tax payer more that what it cost you. but that is what they do, what a waste of time and $$$
good luck
hope your kids are well.


It certainly cost more than $7000, my hope is that for future cases they take more time to decide how much time and effort they want to put into it. I believe that somewhere along the way they should have taken a step back and looked at everything and said "Is he selling or is he not selling?" and "What is our goal here? And the likely outcome." I think honest answers to those questions would have resulted in a different outcome.


Uncle Jesse wrote:Very glad to hear that not only did this work out for you but that it cost our ex some cabbage!


I basically just refused to sign off on the paperwork from the sale of our home unless she accept half responsibility for this. I accept that it is my hobby and i knew the risk.

Even more than all of that now, I actually have 100% of my girls. She is currently in a drug rehab for a serious meth habit. Its crazy how an addicts mind works, its wrong for me to make moonshine(outside on the porch), but its totally cool for her to be smoking meth while watching the kids. Go figure.

I actually went to a whiskey tasting last night, if I get my whiskey back I might invite the sheriffs, my lawyers and the TTB/ABC agent over for a tasting, and some friends of course. Make it a Bottle Kill Event. I'm sure my lawyer is like "WTF is wrong with this guy!!!", I would say its simply in my nature to share the awesomeness that is whisky and home distilling.
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Re: The FBI/Sheriff/ABC raiding my house

Postby Uncle Jesse » Sun Apr 03, 2016 9:18 pm

T-Pee wrote:
Uncle Jesse wrote:Very glad to hear that not only did this work out for you but that it cost our ex some cabbage!

You were married to her too?? :wtf:

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now that's funny
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Re: The FBI/Sheriff/ABC raiding my house

Postby Snackson » Sun Apr 03, 2016 9:46 pm

magnetic_tarantula wrote:I actually went to a whiskey tasting last night, if I get my whiskey back I might invite the sheriffs, my lawyers and the TTB/ABC agent over for a tasting, and some friends of course. Make it a Bottle Kill Event. I'm sure my lawyer is like "WTF is wrong with this guy!!!", I would say its simply in my nature to share the awesomeness that is whisky and home distilling.

I like your style. Been following your story closely as I'm in the same county. Glad you're back active and everything is working out in your favor. Once you start your distillery, let me know if you want some free manual labor, more than willing to help out.
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Re: The FBI/Sheriff/ABC raiding my house

Postby magnetic_tarantula » Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:37 pm

"Active", I wish!! I'm still trying to figure out if I will get any of my equipment back. I had ALOT of nice thick copper, tanks, kegs, wood, fermenters.....Maybe we should get a co-op here in SoCal and start our own distillery/tasting room only. Each member pay $50/month. You get legal still time, and any money we make goes back into the business!! I'm kind of surprised it hasn't been done before. You can rent a door in an industrial park for $700/month. I could put together 10 15 gallon keg stills/columns for almost nothing. It'd be killer!!

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Re: The FBI/Sheriff/ABC raiding my house

Postby city shiner » Mon Apr 18, 2016 12:08 pm

I almost never post, but I been following your story for a bit now. Damn glad they didn't pursue it, damn glad you have your kids.
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Re: The FBI/Sheriff/ABC raiding my house

Postby Tickedmeoff » Tue May 17, 2016 1:08 pm

Congrates! What a life huh?
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Re: The FBI/Sheriff/ABC raiding my house

Postby magnetic_tarantula » Mon Jun 06, 2016 8:08 am

When life throws you lemons, turn it into a good brandy!!

Though I don't think I've ever heard of Lemon Brandy.
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Re: The FBI/Sheriff/ABC raiding my house

Postby thumper123 » Mon Jun 06, 2016 1:16 pm

Glad you still have the kids, Mag. What a nightmare of a story. Maybe I'm a lot paranoid, but I envision this happening to me all the time. My love of the hobby overides my fears, however, as I'm sure it does with you also, and it's really good to hear of your favorable legal outcome.

I don't think inviting the law enforcement officials involved over for a sample is over the top at all.
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Re: The FBI/Sheriff/ABC raiding my house

Postby thecroweater » Mon Jun 06, 2016 8:11 pm

magnetic_tarantula wrote:"Active", I wish!! I'm still trying to figure out if I will get any of my equipment back. I had ALOT of nice thick copper, tanks, kegs, wood, fermenters.....Maybe we should get a co-op here in SoCal and start our own distillery/tasting room only. Each member pay $50/month. You get legal still time, and any money we make goes back into the business!! I'm kind of surprised it hasn't been done before. You can rent a door in an industrial park for $700/month. I could put together 10 15 gallon keg stills/columns for almost nothing. It'd be killer!!

I like your Avatar.....can't wait for Super Troopers 2!!

Dunno what the Tax laws/rates are there but i can tell ya why that would never do here. I'll be damned if I,'d pay $20 or more tax a bottle for something i made myself for myself, damned if I'd pay a red cent for that plus you got to do a ton of book keeping
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Re: The FBI/Sheriff/ABC raiding my house

Postby magnetic_tarantula » Fri Jun 10, 2016 11:21 am

I meant for people who want to nano-distill. That way we co-op all the legal related costs. Rather than 20 people going through the process individually one company goes through the process once for all its members.Each individual member would have to go through the process of registering their own corporation, but then they would essentially be renting time from a distillery to create product. I don't know that it would work, but for someone like me who wants to put a product on a shelf, I could see myself making 500-1000 bottles a year to sell. Make 125-250 bottle runs 4 times a year to sell(already have my lineup picked out).

There is currently a law up before congress to lower the rates for small distillers. I thought they vote on it next month.
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Re: The FBI/Sheriff/ABC raiding my house

Postby Kareltje » Sat Jun 11, 2016 4:22 pm

magnetic_tarantula wrote:I meant for people who want to nano-distill. That way we co-op all the legal related costs. Rather than 20 people going through the process individually one company goes through the process once for all its members.Each individual member would have to go through the process of registering their own corporation, but then they would essentially be renting time from a distillery to create product. I don't know that it would work, but for someone like me who wants to put a product on a shelf, I could see myself making 500-1000 bottles a year to sell. Make 125-250 bottle runs 4 times a year to sell(already have my lineup picked out).

There is currently a law up before congress to lower the rates for small distillers. I thought they vote on it next month.

That is a good idea! :clap:

More or less the same idea can be used by real hobby-distillers. With some friends I have a kind of toolpool: when we need a tool, we can freely borrow it from each other. We all mow our lawns only once a week (or two weeks), so the other six (or 13) days the machine sits idle in the shed.
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