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4 inch dephlegmator build

Postby shadylane » Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:42 am

I'll be building this on a budget, so here's a pic of some of the material.
I didn't have any 4 inch tubing, so I split two pieces of 1-1/2" and will make a 8 inch long piece of 4" out of it.
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Re: 4 inch dephlegmator build

Postby MoonBreath » Fri Oct 09, 2015 11:20 am

Your build threads are good shady ...Fairly simple for all, and you follow through till the end, using good common sense throughout your build.
I will be building a smaller dephleg soon and therefore be watchn your build.
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Re: 4 inch dephlegmator build

Postby pfshine » Fri Oct 09, 2015 11:27 am

Make sure to have a couple worm drive hose clamps around. The hard part is already done, now you just gotta put it together.
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Re: 4 inch dephlegmator build

Postby shadylane » Fri Oct 09, 2015 11:55 am

Hose clamps....dangitman....that's what I forgot when I was in town today. I trashed all my big ones making easy flanges.
Moved a little farther along on the project. Wished I knew how to design a proper defleg or had a commercial one to copy.
The last one I built was a 2-1/2 x 8 with five 1/2 tubes. it was definitely over kill. Made it touchy and slow to react to adjustments.
I was planning to build this one with 8 tubes 8" long but I'm not sure, I might shorten it to 6 or 7 inches.
Any opinions would be appreciated.
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Re: 4 inch dephlegmator build

Postby pfshine » Fri Oct 09, 2015 12:03 pm

How many watts are you gonna put on it? Mine is 4.5" long with nine 1/2" tubes. It knocks down everything I can throw at it which is like 6875 watts. If you just use one piece of the 1-1/2" you should be good. Coils also kick butt are easy fast efficient and you can put a window on it for gits and shiggles.
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Re: 4 inch dephlegmator build

Postby shadylane » Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:27 pm

According to the guesstimation formulas that figure power, vapor speed, column dia etc The 4 inch column will need some were between 3 and 6kw
Tig welded the tubes to the end plates, wasn't as pretty as I hoped for, but there ain't no big glob of solder, it's all copper.
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Re: 4 inch dephlegmator build

Postby pfshine » Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:45 pm

Looks good. And should knock anything you want down.
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Re: 4 inch dephlegmator build

Postby shadylane » Fri Oct 09, 2015 2:48 pm

One of the reasons I made a shot-gun style reflux condenser, instead of a demroth coil was because the shot-gun is easier to clean the vapor side.
Anyway I'm afraid, once I start wrapping pieces of copper scrap around the condenser it will start looking like something between a rat-rod and a piece of steam punk art. Probably not, but there's going to be a limit to how much body work is done. Polishing will be out of the question, the shinier it is, the more the dents will show.
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Re: 4 inch dephlegmator build

Postby pfshine » Fri Oct 09, 2015 3:00 pm

I could polish this thing to a high shine and there would be no dents. If you use a rubber mallet or a single jack and a 2×4 to flatten it out. Then If you have something around 4" in diameter like a piece of PVC or a yoga foam roller to shape it around life becomes much easier. I used a 1 gallon glass jug with this because it was just over 6". A flapper wheel will make short work of any imperfections if you get any.
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Re: 4 inch dephlegmator build

Postby shadylane » Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:42 am

I've been following your build so I can learn some of your tricks.
I have the same cutter but couldn't figure out how to hold the thin copper down.
I've decided it would have been easier to buy some 4" copper tubing. But I hate waiting for the UPS truck.
So today I'll tig weld pieces of copper together to get a big enough piece, hammer it flat and grind the welds down.
I'll use 4" pvc for the form to get it round.
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Re: 4 inch dephlegmator build

Postby Bushman » Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:57 am

Nice work Shady, I have 5 tubes that are 3/4" diameter and my dephlagmater is 6" long and I get 100% reflux. I actually have a little more than 5 tubes as on my 4" dephlagmater I designed so it dropped through the top of a 4" ss column. How I did it was cut a small section of the tube length wise, pulled it together and soldered it back making it just a little smaller than 4". I am not sure as I can't see into my column but I am guessing that the gap between my dephlagmater and my column acts as another tube that allows vapor to pass. See picture below.
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Notice in the picture below during my build phase there are 2 extra holes that are 1/2" that is for my water in and out at the top of the dephlagmater.
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Re: 4 inch dephlegmator build

Postby pfshine » Sat Oct 10, 2015 10:39 am

I just screwed it down in the corners. But really, go man go. You are a building machine. Can't wait to see it put together.
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Re: 4 inch dephlegmator build

Postby shadylane » Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:20 pm

I like that idea bushman, very innovative. I'd seen your post before but either missed the part about how it worked or forgot.
Here's some more pics and the final product, it'll get cleaned up but I'm not going to polish it.
I welded the end plates on then brazed over the copper, the bronze is easier to get the shape the clamp needs.
The first pic is my copper still hand, she's patiently waiting for the magical words "get in the truck"
I'll pressure test and trim up the flanges so I can move on to the next part of the build.
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Re: 4 inch dephlegmator build

Postby shadylane » Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:57 pm

Did the pressure test and there's 2 tiny leaks in the soapy water . Preheated and re-welded, I love TIG welding copper.
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Re: 4 inch dephlegmator build

Postby googe » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:13 pm

Your a building machine shady!, well done :thumbup:
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Re: 4 inch dephlegmator build

Postby shadylane » Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:42 pm

Thanks for the complements but :oops:
Note to self.
When things are going good enough to brag, don't
Fixed the 2 tiny leaks, and made a couple more, re-welded them and made many more.
Plan B
Time to figure out the best way to re-tube the dephlegmator. That might get interesting
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Re: 4 inch dephlegmator build

Postby googe » Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:44 pm

Can you just soft solder the leaks shady?
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Re: 4 inch dephlegmator build

Postby shadylane » Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:57 pm

Wish I could. The original leaks was due to mistake. The subsequent leaks are due to me re-welding the tubes to the end plates.
The new leaks are around 1/8" inside the tubes. The more I try to fix the leaks, the more leaks I make.
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Re: 4 inch dephlegmator build

Postby shadylane » Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:35 pm

Never had leaks like this in copper, it's hair line stress cracks. Not at the copper TIG weld but just inside the tube.
Tomorrow I'll drill out the tubes and silver solder in new ones.
I don't like the thought of internal leaks that fill my boiler with cooling water.
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Re: 4 inch dephlegmator build

Postby Brutal » Sun Oct 11, 2015 6:45 am

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Re: 4 inch dephlegmator build

Postby shadylane » Sun Oct 11, 2015 12:10 pm

Go for it brutal, I love looking at copper.
I took several steps backwards today, even screwed up one of the end plates while removing the tubes. So I cut it off and started over.
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Re: 4 inch dephlegmator build

Postby shadylane » Sun Oct 11, 2015 1:40 pm

Finally, the dam thing don't leak :thumbup:
Now I need to make a cap to connect it to the condenser.
Picture a cap off an oxygen bottle. An easy flange on the bottom with a union sticking out of the side and a thermometer well on top.
Tomorrow I'll start cutting, smashing, welding and torturing copper until something usable appears.
It may or may not look like what I had planned when I started but it will work and be different.
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Re: 4 inch dephlegmator build

Postby shadylane » Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:39 pm

Here's the finished product, made it from the scraps left over from the depheg.
I don't know what the proper name is for it, but I'll call it a minion connector.
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Re: 4 inch dephlegmator build

Postby Monkeyman88 » Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:51 pm

Big like. Haha. That is cool.
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Re: 4 inch dephlegmator build

Postby Brutal » Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:02 pm

Put a star on the side and nickname it "Sherman."
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Re: 4 inch dephlegmator build

Postby shadylane » Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:16 pm

Didn't think of a Sherman, the 15 gallon still might need a set of tracks before I'm done.
The cap does look kinda like a tank turret. Wait till I solder a short piece of 1" tube and a union on it.
Wish the UPS truck would get here, I'm tired of tinkering and want to get serious.
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Re: 4 inch dephlegmator build

Postby pfshine » Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:14 pm

I love it.Image
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Re: 4 inch dephlegmator build

Postby MoonBreath » Tue Oct 13, 2015 3:25 pm

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Re: 4 inch dephlegmator build

Postby shadylane » Tue Oct 13, 2015 4:00 pm

The UPS man stopped by today and left so 4" 304L pipe, ferrels and clamps.
Now I can get started on the column.
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Re: 4 inch dephlegmator build

Postby Rastus » Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:59 pm

awesome sir, fine build ....

i wanted tig so bad but getting gas out where i am is a major shipping hassle....

i keep thinking Dephlegenstein. in a beautiful way man.... its hand crafted to an art
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