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Heirloom corns and grains resource

Post by jb-texshine » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:48 pm

https://dancingstarfarmsseed.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow
Also on facebook.
Yes,i know the site lists by the ton but he welcomes orders down to 50#
This guy grows and sells some awesome corns.
15$ per fifty pound bag plus shipping. Pre ground too.
Bloody butcher, Oaxacan green, a almost black blue strain, nittany blue and white, cateto orange, nittany blue x bloody butcher... On and on..............
Danko rye.
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He's a farmer that caters to hobbiest and craft distilleries.
I'm not associated or affiliated just a happy customer.
Y'all check him out and try out some of the corn.
The nittany blue and white crossed with bloody butcher will be ready in six weeks and makes awesome corn whiskey,hell they all do,but it and the speckled dent are my favorite ones.
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Post by jb-texshine » Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:16 pm

Nittany blue and white crossed with bloody butcher
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Oaxaca green corn
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Pennsylvania speckled dent
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Post by jb-texshine » Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:24 pm

Bloody butcher, white is silver king, and blue Indian flint.
These are separate vareitys not crosses. They are sold individually or as a 33.33%of each equal mix.
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Post by jb-texshine » Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:29 pm

At 15$a 50# bag plus shipping....
Y'all gotta try it.
Comes whole, cracked, or ground to coarse meal. All for same price. He will ship anything between 50# and 10 tons.
I've got a direct contact number for those interested,just pm me.
Never been a better time to try something different.
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Post by Swedish Pride » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:20 am

Looks great, love the colours.
Would love some quality corn here, all I get is flaked
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Post by jb-texshine » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:48 am

The genetics of this one are almost pure cateto. High cartenoid intense orange color.
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Blue flint corn
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Post by jb-texshine » Wed Oct 03, 2018 12:05 pm

Just talked with Mr. McDonald,the owner, the corn harvest is on! Get your orders in if you want to try some special corn.
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Post by Twisted Brick » Wed Oct 03, 2018 12:55 pm

Yer killin' me, jb... I just found out yesterday my source for 50# sacks of ground corn stopped makin' it. I'm too far for an order to make sense.
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Post by brat » Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:36 pm

I just sent them an email. To see how much it would be with shipping to socal. I suspect it's going to be on the high side. But we'll see. Thanks for the link.

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Post by StillerBoy » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:19 pm

Thanks JB for the for the location for corn.. I had been looking for some blue for a while now.. want to try it with some buckwheat.. I have made some with yellow corn, and wanted to try the recipe with blue and see the different..

I just finish email communicating with Robert, and I got a bag of blue on the way.. will an soon as he received the cheque..

Got a 50 lbs bag for 15 and 25 shipping.. so it will come out at 80c a lbs, which is on par with other grains I have purchased..

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Post by jonnys_spirit » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:44 am

Wow this is great - just what I’ve Been looking for.

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Post by jb-texshine » Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:53 am

StillerBoy wrote:Thanks JB for the for the location for corn.. I had been looking for some blue for a while now.. want to try it with some buckwheat.. I have made some with yellow corn, and wanted to try the recipe with blue and see the different..

I just finish email communicating with Robert, and I got a bag of blue on the way.. will an soon as he received the cheque..

Got a 50 lbs bag for 15 and 25 shipping.. so it will come out at 80c a lbs, which is on par with other grains I have purchased..

Mars
It's great corn and even shipping it to me in Texas it still comes out to a dollar a pound. I've spent more for 50# of malt.
Still cheaper for me that 5 gallons of molasses shipped and more to my taste too, lol.
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Post by Single Malt Yinzer » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:03 am

Only ~2 hours away? Guess who's going on a road trip soon...

I know a couple guys around here have started using the Bloody Butcher for their commercial bourbon. Never heard of the rest.
Bloody Butcher 110 Day: Large girthy ear
Never thought I would be interested in something like that.

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Post by jb-texshine » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:29 am

Single Malt Yinzer wrote:Only ~2 hours away? Guess who's going on a road trip soon...

I know a couple guys around here have started using the Bloody Butcher for their commercial bourbon. Never heard of the rest.
Bloody Butcher 110 Day: Large girthy ear
Never thought I would be interested in something like that.
I'm sure you will enjoy your visit with Robert, he's a great guy.
Next year he will have a strain called Amanda Palmer available. It's been kept alive by a small farmer in Pekin Indiana. The farmer is also the master distiller for spirits of French lick distillery and uses it to make their "estate bourbon". He was kind enough to share some seed corn with Robert and Robert grew it out this year to have enough to plant and harvest for sale for next year.
Robert will keep you occupied all day telling you about corn genetics, lost and rediscovered, that he grows. Just a good ol American farmer who has found his niche market, Whiskeycorn!
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Post by StillerBoy » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:49 am

StillerBoy wrote:Got a 50 lbs bag for 15 and 25 shipping.. so it will come out at 80c a lbs
I cancel a 10k (22 lbs) of blue corn kernels I was to get from a farmer in eastern Ontario, who what asked $35 plus 20 for shipping.. so after email Robert, and getting some info, the cheque went out this morning..
Now I have will twice the amount for half the price, that's a good deal in my book..

Thanks JB

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Post by jb-texshine » Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:25 am

StillerBoy wrote:
StillerBoy wrote:Got a 50 lbs bag for 15 and 25 shipping.. so it will come out at 80c a lbs
I cancel a 10k (22 lbs) of blue corn kernels I was to get from a farmer in eastern Ontario, who what asked $35 plus 20 for shipping.. so after email Robert, and getting some info, the cheque went out this morning..
Now I have will twice the amount for half the price, that's a good deal in my book..

Thanks JB

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Excellent! Make sure that you let him know if you want whole kernel, cracked or ground. The ground is a coarse meal grind and just about perfect.
Fried fish breaded in blue corn meal is great if you want to try it also, red makes a great sweet cornbread.
I've found it easier to use the corn in a familiar food recipe first to pick up on the flavor differences. That way you kinda know what to expect.

But enjoy the corn and post your thoughts on it when you get it and when you try your first drink of it and let us all know what you think.
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Post by StillerBoy » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:12 pm

Yah.. it's kernels that was ordered, then I can mill them when I'm ready to use it, plus it keeps longer whole.. it will be a few months before I get to trying it out with the buckwheat.. but I will try it with a fish fry, when mill it..

And I will post my thoughts on its usage and results..

Thanks JB

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Post by MtRainier » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:32 pm

Only a few hours from me. Could bring a truck and come home with some nice stuff.

So he's ok with folks picking up locally?

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Post by amdamgraham » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:56 pm

I've been exclusively using an heirloom variety called Painted Mountain, a multi-colored corn. It's worth noting that these heirloom varieties don't contain as much starch as feed corn so I'll be curious if someone who is highly experienced can recreate a recipe and report on the yield difference. I recently made a store-bought cornmeal batch and was blown away by the increased yield though the cornmeal was more finely ground that what I had been grinding my corn. I will be grinding my corn finer in the future because of that experience.

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Post by StillerBoy » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:37 pm

MtRainer.. Maybe you and Singal Malt can help one another, that if you are both traveling from the same direction.. both seem to be just a couple of hrs from Robert's place..

Just a thought
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Post by StillerBoy » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:41 pm

amdamgraham wrote:It's worth noting that these heirloom varieties don't contain as much starch as feed corn
Thanks for the word of caution on heirloom varieties.. will keep that in mind when I start working with the blue corn I've got coming..

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Post by amdamgraham » Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:39 pm

So I did a quick check on some (science/industry) corn websites and found this site http://www.starch.dk/isi/starch/maize.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" rel="nofollow where they compared different types of corn. The starch range was 59.9% - 64.8% across the types. So from a hobbyist level, I don't see that anyone would be able to tell the difference in yield given the number of factors involved in crafting an all-grain batch. Go with flavor (and price) and feel confident that you are not sacrificing enough yield for it to matter.

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Post by StillerBoy » Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:57 pm

Thanks for the article amdamgraham.. was informative in many ways..

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Post by MtRainier » Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:18 pm

StillerBoy wrote:MtRainer.. Maybe you and Singal Malt can help one another, that if you are both traveling from the same direction.. both seem to be just a couple of hrs from Robert's place..

Just a thought
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I lost track of this thread. Stiller, I think SMY and I are both a couple of hours away, but in different directions if he's coming from where I'm guessing he's coming from in PA.

I still need to give Robert a call and go up there to fill the station wagon with corn. I'm finally doing some large corn whiskey washes and would love to see what I could get from different varieties.

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Post by TDick » Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:20 pm

jb-texshine wrote:Bloody butcher, white is silver king, and blue Indian flint.
These are separate vareitys not crosses. They are sold individually or as a 33.33%of each equal mix.
I have been reading this since the OP but had nothing to contribute.
However, I was wondering two things.

Here in Alabama, Silver Queen is one of the most popular varieties sold at farmer's markets.
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It is generally considered much sweeter than basic yellow corn.
So I was curious if anyone has used it instead of standard yellow feed corn.


Also, all these varieties are very pretty.
Now that this has been up for a while, what is the taste difference in the product?

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Post by DetroitDIY » Thu May 02, 2019 5:01 pm

Anyone have feedback on your results from using these heirloom corns? I'm thinking of swinging through there next week (I know, wrong time of year for this, but... that's the way... the boiler bubbles?).

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Post by MtRainier » Thu May 02, 2019 5:17 pm

I emailed him recently. He still has bloody butcher and rye. He says you should contact him in advance so he can get it ready.

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